Comments on: Sexy Hot Vegans

By: valerievx

valerievx — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:26:03 +0000

Ok, so I’ve been hearing a lot of people saying that they’re vegans and feminists, and that’s great, but I haven’t heard anything from the actual women who work at the vegan strip club in question. I’m a vegan and a feminist and a stripper, and I don’t feel explioted by my job at all. I find it empowering and, sadly, a better pay scale and work environment then the vegetarian restaurants where I used to work as a cook. I have always thought that PETA sensationalizes issues rather than intelligently arguing for them, which is why I don’t think very highly of them. While I am not familiar with the aformentioned campaigns, they seem to be standard PETA fare. Needless to say, I am not a PETA supporter.
As for the club going through hard times, a vegan strip club seems like a terrible business venture; on the menu at my club, the parsley on top of the steak is basically the only salad we serve, and from what strip club patrons I’ve met over the years, I can’t imagine them being excited by vegan food. I do, however, like to tell them about my lifestyle, and part of that is breaking down stereotypes about feminists, vegans, and queer culture, through conversation. So don’t imply that strippers are not feminists or that they are misguided victims, because it’s just not true. As for the feminist theory, Jill, I think you’re a wave behind.

By: Enviormentalism vs Feminism (Round One) « Dirty Rotten Feminist

Enviormentalism vs Feminism (Round One) « Dirty Rotten Feminist — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:59:43 +0000

[...] in order to convert them to the cause. I have no problem with people pushing their agenda. I do have a problem with people pushing their agendas by using oppressive tools. If the SB authors really want to convert folks to veganism, couldn’t they use their same [...]

By: hexy

hexy — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:13:52 +0000

I will add, however, that using Dita Von Teese in an anti-animal-cruelty ad (PETE have used her in the “neuter your pets” campaign) is just bloody stupid. I’m pretty sure her wardrobe contains the feather equivalent of an entire flock of emus by this stage.

By: hexy

hexy — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:11:27 +0000

Hrrmmm…

I’m a vegetarian. I think PETA are a bunch of twits. And I think “encouraging women to get their gear off for veganism” is kind of missing the point.

However, I don’t think that a woman getting her gear off as part of her career, in one of many areas, is automatically wrong. And I also don’t think that that woman, whose public image involves a bit to a lot of scantily cladness, lending that image to a cause she supports (like veganism/vegetarianism) is automatically wrong either, or any more wrong than her getting her gear off for money.

The two things are not the same. The idea that women can only support veganism by stripping off? Shit. But someone whose fame (and hence influence) comes from their body using that fame (and hence influence) in favour of a cause? I can’t label that as “shit” so easily.

As I said, i think PETA are idiots, and I do think that in picking up this rather old campaign idea (does anyone know when the first “I’d rather go naked than wear fur” campaign came out without googling?) and running with it, they’ve gotten a bit side tracked and missed the point.

By: Feministe » Oprah stands up for the little (furry) guy

Feministe » Oprah stands up for the little (furry) guy — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:32:26 +0000

[...] But animal rights activism rarely gets the attention it deserves (unless it’s obnoxious, sexist, racist, anti-Semitic or some combination of the above), and so I think it’s important to [...]

By: Cymbal

Cymbal — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:27:49 +0000

I’m with you there, emfole. I think that humans are omnivores, but we don’t have to abuse and brutalize animals before we eat them (as we currently do).

Why is it okay? Yeah, same reason it’s okay for a man to use or abuse a woman. Because the dominator paradigm says that one exists for the use of the other. Animals were put on earth to be used by humans (for anything). Women were put on earth to be used by men (for anything). Bleh. PETA still doesn’t do itself any favors by exploiting women to protest the exploitation of animals.

By: emfole

emfole — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:44:58 +0000

Hi- I am vegan and feminist- these are one in the same. In a feminist society, would we find it ok to rape a cow so that she will become pregnant and produce milk then attach metal sucking things onto her nipples to pull the milk (pus and blood) out of her body? Or to use a chicken’s female body to produce eggs?? I really don’t understand why this is not obvious- be the person a cow, human or chicken; her body is hers and it is not ok to use and abuse it for the gains of the privileged classes. sigh…suffering is suffering

By: Hugo

Hugo — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:26:57 +0000

Hugo, you’re not a very persuasive apologist.

So you, very persuasively, have been telling me for the last few years.

By: mythago

mythago — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:21:00 +0000

Hugo, you’re not a very persuasive apologist.

By: Hugo

Hugo — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:15:42 +0000

Not to thread drift, but Newkirk does very little to create PETA’s ad campaigns, though if she objected, they would probably change their drift. She also helped found Physicans Committee for Responsible Medicine, to which I am far more devoted than PETA — and an organization that doesn’t use sexually-exploitative advertising.