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		<title>By: Man Up, and Walk Out — A Geek, Observed</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/11/feministe-feedback-being-a-feminist-boyfriend/#comment-245884</link>
		<dc:creator>Man Up, and Walk Out — A Geek, Observed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] consider carefully what you are saying when you don’t say anything at all. Silence is speech. Anna It’s worse in geekland. It always has been worse in geekland. There’s [a] positive correlation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] consider carefully what you are saying when you don’t say anything at all. Silence is speech. Anna It’s worse in geekland. It always has been worse in geekland. There’s [a] positive correlation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Male Feminist Ally Blogaround! &#171; Gender Goggles</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/11/feministe-feedback-being-a-feminist-boyfriend/#comment-219920</link>
		<dc:creator>The Male Feminist Ally Blogaround! &#171; Gender Goggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An old but interesting conversation at Feministe: Being a Feminist Boyfriend. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Griot</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/11/feministe-feedback-being-a-feminist-boyfriend/#comment-184631</link>
		<dc:creator>Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thread- learning a lot. My question may sound dumb, but seriously: Since I was a kid, I was raised to think that terms like &quot;hon&quot;, &#039;honey&#039;, &#039;sweetheart&#039;, &#039;baby&#039; etc were sort of demeaning, diminutive things to call someone. So, I don&#039;t use them... so what do &lt;em&gt;you &lt;/em&gt;do for terms of endearment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thread- learning a lot. My question may sound dumb, but seriously: Since I was a kid, I was raised to think that terms like &#8220;hon&#8221;, &#8216;honey&#8217;, &#8217;sweetheart&#8217;, &#8216;baby&#8217; etc were sort of demeaning, diminutive things to call someone. So, I don&#8217;t use them&#8230; so what do <em>you </em>do for terms of endearment?</p>
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		<title>By: AlexMagd</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/11/feministe-feedback-being-a-feminist-boyfriend/#comment-184018</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexMagd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Listen to your partner and consider what she has to say

2) If she brings up an issue that you&#039;re unfamiliar with (e.g. using the word &#039;actor&#039; rather than &#039;actress&#039;) be prepared to discuss it reasonably rather than dismiss it out of hand

3) STAND UP FOR FEMINISM; challenge other men (even your best friends) about the sexist comments they make. Challenge presumptions about gender

4) Read up. Seriously. Chances are if you&#039;re with a feminist you&#039;re both quite intelligent; you&#039;ve probably read books on loads of different topics. Pick up some books - &#039;The Female Eunuch&#039;, &#039;Men In Feminism&#039;, whatever - and educate yourself.

5) Treat her as a person, not a gender (it saddens me that this is necessary)

6) Swallow your pride. Many men come to feminism through their partners and there&#039;s no shame in it. If being with a feminist is what brought you to gender equality then good for you; now you can spread the ideas to others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Listen to your partner and consider what she has to say</p>
<p>2) If she brings up an issue that you&#8217;re unfamiliar with (e.g. using the word &#8216;actor&#8217; rather than &#8216;actress&#8217;) be prepared to discuss it reasonably rather than dismiss it out of hand</p>
<p>3) STAND UP FOR FEMINISM; challenge other men (even your best friends) about the sexist comments they make. Challenge presumptions about gender</p>
<p>4) Read up. Seriously. Chances are if you&#8217;re with a feminist you&#8217;re both quite intelligent; you&#8217;ve probably read books on loads of different topics. Pick up some books &#8211; &#8216;The Female Eunuch&#8217;, &#8216;Men In Feminism&#8217;, whatever &#8211; and educate yourself.</p>
<p>5) Treat her as a person, not a gender (it saddens me that this is necessary)</p>
<p>6) Swallow your pride. Many men come to feminism through their partners and there&#8217;s no shame in it. If being with a feminist is what brought you to gender equality then good for you; now you can spread the ideas to others!</p>
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		<title>By: Men! Feminism needs you! (Not your privilege…) &#171; A Modern Feminist Resource</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/11/feministe-feedback-being-a-feminist-boyfriend/#comment-181459</link>
		<dc:creator>Men! Feminism needs you! (Not your privilege…) &#171; A Modern Feminist Resource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article is inspired partly by the very useful post over at Feministe about how to be a feminist boyfriend (highly recommended reading) which has previously been mentioned at The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great thread to read.  Lot&#039;s of useful advice.  I&#039;d like to think that most of it I already know, and at least try to practice, I&#039;d like to think that I&#039;m enlightened, but it&#039;s good to hear it again.  And be reminded of it. 

I took note of the comments pertaining to standing up to other men, who behave inappropriately.  Don&#039;t be an enabler, is the message I&#039;m taking away.   I get it.   I try to engage misogynist behavior from other men, in cyber forums.   Sometimes, I chicken out.   Sometimes I get dogpiled by guys who accuse me of seeking to curry favor with the women in the forum.   Trying to get in their pants, so to speak.   Like the only reason a guy can be in solidarity with feminist women, is because he wants to get laid.   Like, on this one political forum I participate in, I&#039;m always trying to call out the guys who use the c*nt word.   I try to call them on it, and point out what a harmful word it is.  It&#039;s really the gender equivalent of the N word.  It never fails, some knuckedragger will give me crap, and suggest I&#039;m just trying to get laid by the liberal women.  LOL.   Yeah, trying to get laid on a political forum.  That sounds like an idiotic scheme.  I try to be consistent, and challenge racism, sexism and bias.  But, its good to be reminded how important it is, here.  

But, whatever crap I take is nothing in comparison to some of the toxic and misogynist stuff some women have to take on discussion forums.     So, I guess I shouldn&#039;t complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great thread to read.  Lot&#8217;s of useful advice.  I&#8217;d like to think that most of it I already know, and at least try to practice, I&#8217;d like to think that I&#8217;m enlightened, but it&#8217;s good to hear it again.  And be reminded of it. </p>
<p>I took note of the comments pertaining to standing up to other men, who behave inappropriately.  Don&#8217;t be an enabler, is the message I&#8217;m taking away.   I get it.   I try to engage misogynist behavior from other men, in cyber forums.   Sometimes, I chicken out.   Sometimes I get dogpiled by guys who accuse me of seeking to curry favor with the women in the forum.   Trying to get in their pants, so to speak.   Like the only reason a guy can be in solidarity with feminist women, is because he wants to get laid.   Like, on this one political forum I participate in, I&#8217;m always trying to call out the guys who use the c*nt word.   I try to call them on it, and point out what a harmful word it is.  It&#8217;s really the gender equivalent of the N word.  It never fails, some knuckedragger will give me crap, and suggest I&#8217;m just trying to get laid by the liberal women.  LOL.   Yeah, trying to get laid on a political forum.  That sounds like an idiotic scheme.  I try to be consistent, and challenge racism, sexism and bias.  But, its good to be reminded how important it is, here.  </p>
<p>But, whatever crap I take is nothing in comparison to some of the toxic and misogynist stuff some women have to take on discussion forums.     So, I guess I shouldn&#8217;t complain.</p>
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		<title>By: season of the bitch &#187; Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>season of the bitch &#187; Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course I&#8217;m being sarcastic and deliberately difficult here. But navigating relationships is difficult territory enough, trying to do it in a properly feminist manner can be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zonker</title>
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		<dc:creator>zonker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d just like to point out the critical first step: Don’t date an anti-feminist girl. It doesn’t work. ;) I tried it once and it revealed to me just how key sharing my political and social sensibilities has to be for any relationship I get into.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen to that.

I do not claim to be the world&#039;s most pro-feminist dude. I&#039;m just not. So there&#039;s the disclaimer. But...

...I was in a &lt;i&gt;long&lt;/i&gt; relationship with an anti-feminist woman. I&#039;ll spare you all the details, but my point is that it was really, really hard--especially, in fact, around amandaw&#039;s #1 comment on deference.

If you&#039;re listening and deferring--from a pro-feminist male point of view--to someone who casts everything in a patriarchal (anti-feminist) light, I can&#039;t exactly explain the dynamic but I guess it just looks weak. If either partner is used to thinking in terms of gaining control over the other, she or he will probably tend to see legitimate strength in the other &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; as a threat to control. And she or he will see deference in the other as weakness or submission.

I guess what I&#039;m saying is that a pro-feminist mindset in a man in a hetero relationship is (a) a good thing; but (b) a source of vulnerability. A woman who rejects feminism, or who understands it poorly, isn&#039;t a good partner for that kind of vulnerability.

BTW, the trackback to Lumpesse in comment #80 is interesting. I totally agree that pro-feminist men have to take a serious look at what masculinity is supposed to mean to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d just like to point out the critical first step: Don’t date an anti-feminist girl. It doesn’t work. ;) I tried it once and it revealed to me just how key sharing my political and social sensibilities has to be for any relationship I get into.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen to that.</p>
<p>I do not claim to be the world&#8217;s most pro-feminist dude. I&#8217;m just not. So there&#8217;s the disclaimer. But&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I was in a <i>long</i> relationship with an anti-feminist woman. I&#8217;ll spare you all the details, but my point is that it was really, really hard&#8211;especially, in fact, around amandaw&#8217;s #1 comment on deference.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re listening and deferring&#8211;from a pro-feminist male point of view&#8211;to someone who casts everything in a patriarchal (anti-feminist) light, I can&#8217;t exactly explain the dynamic but I guess it just looks weak. If either partner is used to thinking in terms of gaining control over the other, she or he will probably tend to see legitimate strength in the other <i>also</i> as a threat to control. And she or he will see deference in the other as weakness or submission.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that a pro-feminist mindset in a man in a hetero relationship is (a) a good thing; but (b) a source of vulnerability. A woman who rejects feminism, or who understands it poorly, isn&#8217;t a good partner for that kind of vulnerability.</p>
<p>BTW, the trackback to Lumpesse in comment #80 is interesting. I totally agree that pro-feminist men have to take a serious look at what masculinity is supposed to mean to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lumpesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lumpesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is having a (very heteronormative) discussion about what it means to be a feminist boyfriend. Now, I&#8217;m not saying that there isn&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stuff I want to blog about when I feel better/have time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stuff I want to blog about when I feel better/have time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe &#187; Feministe Feedback: Being a Feminist Boyfriend [...]</description>
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