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		<title>By: Saorla</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/17/feministe-feedback-help-jill-plan-a-trip/#comment-165905</link>
		<dc:creator>Saorla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus AirAsia does cheap flights around SE Asia and are cheap(er) and reliable!</description>
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		<title>By: Saorla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saorla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jill,

I live in Phnom Penh and while the city itself is a nice enough city with lots of bars and restaurants, most people visit it to see Toul Sleng and the Killing Fields. These are the Khmer Rouge genocide memorials and are naturally quite depressing. If you have practical on the ground questions about Cambodia, I can help you out. Been living here two years now. Good luck with your choice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jill,</p>
<p>I live in Phnom Penh and while the city itself is a nice enough city with lots of bars and restaurants, most people visit it to see Toul Sleng and the Killing Fields. These are the Khmer Rouge genocide memorials and are naturally quite depressing. If you have practical on the ground questions about Cambodia, I can help you out. Been living here two years now. Good luck with your choice!</p>
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		<title>By: riotgrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>riotgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just in Thailand, mostly visiting relatives that have moved there over the years. Because of where they live I spent most of my time in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Chang, and small islands in that area. I second the person that says stay away from Pattaya. If it was up to me I would never had gone there but my family lives by Jomtien Beach (they might move North-yeah for next trip). Koh Chang was very beautiful and laid back. If you go there eat at the Hungry Elephant (mmmm). For traveling purposes around Thailand take the baht bus for in town and for going city to city try to take the first class bus. I took the mini bus and the taxi, the mini bus was unpredictable and we were sandwiched in (ride to the ferry was 4 hours, ride back the exact same way was over 8) and the taxi can be a little spendy (we took one for an hour plus trip and the driver was tweeking). The first class bus is very cheap and I found it more comfortable and faster than the taxi and minibus. 

I have also heard fabulous things about Cabbages and Condoms, both their resort and restaurant. I believe they have multiple locations. For making reservations do not go through websites like travelocity. You are not going in the high season for tourism so I suggest booking your first nights ahead (call/fax/or use Thai website) and then schedule your stays there because you will be able to get a better price. Our Lonely Planet guidebook was actually very helpful in deciding what to do during our visit (it too recommended against Pattaya) so I would pick up a copy. 

I haven&#039;t been a long time reader so this is my first post here. I will be taking notes on recommendations by the readers for my next trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just in Thailand, mostly visiting relatives that have moved there over the years. Because of where they live I spent most of my time in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Chang, and small islands in that area. I second the person that says stay away from Pattaya. If it was up to me I would never had gone there but my family lives by Jomtien Beach (they might move North-yeah for next trip). Koh Chang was very beautiful and laid back. If you go there eat at the Hungry Elephant (mmmm). For traveling purposes around Thailand take the baht bus for in town and for going city to city try to take the first class bus. I took the mini bus and the taxi, the mini bus was unpredictable and we were sandwiched in (ride to the ferry was 4 hours, ride back the exact same way was over 8) and the taxi can be a little spendy (we took one for an hour plus trip and the driver was tweeking). The first class bus is very cheap and I found it more comfortable and faster than the taxi and minibus. </p>
<p>I have also heard fabulous things about Cabbages and Condoms, both their resort and restaurant. I believe they have multiple locations. For making reservations do not go through websites like travelocity. You are not going in the high season for tourism so I suggest booking your first nights ahead (call/fax/or use Thai website) and then schedule your stays there because you will be able to get a better price. Our Lonely Planet guidebook was actually very helpful in deciding what to do during our visit (it too recommended against Pattaya) so I would pick up a copy. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been a long time reader so this is my first post here. I will be taking notes on recommendations by the readers for my next trip.</p>
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		<title>By: villiers</title>
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		<dc:creator>villiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The King of Fruits&quot; indeed.

This stuff smells so bad that it&#039;s illegal to bring it on the subway in Singapore.

Anyway, I have to agree with the person who suggested Cabbages and Condoms.  The food is quite good, and the decor is not to be missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The King of Fruits&#8221; indeed.</p>
<p>This stuff smells so bad that it&#8217;s illegal to bring it on the subway in Singapore.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have to agree with the person who suggested Cabbages and Condoms.  The food is quite good, and the decor is not to be missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc J. Randazza</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/17/feministe-feedback-help-jill-plan-a-trip/#comment-165298</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc J. Randazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooh... if you have never tried &quot;The King of Fruits&quot; -- the DURIAN, you MUST!!!!  

Now be careful, and make sure that your first Durian is a proper Singaporean durian.  

Durian is a stinky fruit that looks like a football covered in spikes.  It smells like a dirty diaper.  You probably won&#039;t like it... not many westerners do.  In fact, I found that eating a durian in public would ALWAYS draw a crowd of fascinated asians who came to see the white boy eating a durian... Any time I buy one, the clerk always says &quot;For you?  No!  Not for you!  You have asian wife?&quot;

So, with that sales pitch -- you MUST still try it.  If you are one of the few westerners who do like it, you may find yourself addicted.  I can&#039;t think of anything else that tastes like it... oh, im craving it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooh&#8230; if you have never tried &#8220;The King of Fruits&#8221; &#8212; the DURIAN, you MUST!!!!  </p>
<p>Now be careful, and make sure that your first Durian is a proper Singaporean durian.  </p>
<p>Durian is a stinky fruit that looks like a football covered in spikes.  It smells like a dirty diaper.  You probably won&#8217;t like it&#8230; not many westerners do.  In fact, I found that eating a durian in public would ALWAYS draw a crowd of fascinated asians who came to see the white boy eating a durian&#8230; Any time I buy one, the clerk always says &#8220;For you?  No!  Not for you!  You have asian wife?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, with that sales pitch &#8212; you MUST still try it.  If you are one of the few westerners who do like it, you may find yourself addicted.  I can&#8217;t think of anything else that tastes like it&#8230; oh, im craving it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are going to Laos, I would stop one day at Vang Vieng. It is enroute to Luang Prabang from Vientiane if you are taking a bus. Otherwise, its a shortish bus ride - 4 hours if I remember correctly? It is very mellow, people are friendly, and floating down the Nam Song river is spectacular. Oh - and some of the best good in SE Asia is to be had at the organic farm cafe in Vang Vieng. 

If you spend any time in Vientiane, and like good french food, try L&#039;Cote D&#039;azur (I think that&#039;s the name). Also, an evening walk along the mekong is lovely.

But: even if all you are doing is spending time in Luang Prabang, that in itself is stunning. Definitely rent a bicycle. There is also this incredible guide - hit name is Mr. Thongdy - he can take you on an exploratory boat ride to some very interesting places along the mekong river (Pak Ou caves, and a stunning 7 layer waterwall - can&#039;t remember the name of it). Definitely go to the evening market - I think its only on wednesday evenings, on the main street? That main street also has a fancy lao massage parlor. My partner and I both didn&#039;t think it was that good at first (we hurt like hell), but we both felt limber the following day. 

Of course, that is all assuming things haven&#039;t changed.

I wouldn&#039;t spend too much time in Thailand - simply because people always go back to Thailand. Don&#039;t get me wrong though - its absolutely beautiful. But if you get a chance, spend some time at Ayuthyaya. Chiang Mai and Chinag Rai are nice places to explore from. 

I would concus with the other commentators who say you&#039;re doing too much. I would really recommend sticking to two countries at most. I would pick Laos and Thailand for a first trip.  Thailand has good train service - travelling by trail enables you to see some of the country as well. You can buy train tickets by calling them. www.seat66.com has some information on that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are going to Laos, I would stop one day at Vang Vieng. It is enroute to Luang Prabang from Vientiane if you are taking a bus. Otherwise, its a shortish bus ride &#8211; 4 hours if I remember correctly? It is very mellow, people are friendly, and floating down the Nam Song river is spectacular. Oh &#8211; and some of the best good in SE Asia is to be had at the organic farm cafe in Vang Vieng. </p>
<p>If you spend any time in Vientiane, and like good french food, try L&#8217;Cote D&#8217;azur (I think that&#8217;s the name). Also, an evening walk along the mekong is lovely.</p>
<p>But: even if all you are doing is spending time in Luang Prabang, that in itself is stunning. Definitely rent a bicycle. There is also this incredible guide &#8211; hit name is Mr. Thongdy &#8211; he can take you on an exploratory boat ride to some very interesting places along the mekong river (Pak Ou caves, and a stunning 7 layer waterwall &#8211; can&#8217;t remember the name of it). Definitely go to the evening market &#8211; I think its only on wednesday evenings, on the main street? That main street also has a fancy lao massage parlor. My partner and I both didn&#8217;t think it was that good at first (we hurt like hell), but we both felt limber the following day. </p>
<p>Of course, that is all assuming things haven&#8217;t changed.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t spend too much time in Thailand &#8211; simply because people always go back to Thailand. Don&#8217;t get me wrong though &#8211; its absolutely beautiful. But if you get a chance, spend some time at Ayuthyaya. Chiang Mai and Chinag Rai are nice places to explore from. </p>
<p>I would concus with the other commentators who say you&#8217;re doing too much. I would really recommend sticking to two countries at most. I would pick Laos and Thailand for a first trip.  Thailand has good train service &#8211; travelling by trail enables you to see some of the country as well. You can buy train tickets by calling them. <a href="http://www.seat66.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.seat66.com</a> has some information on that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc J. Randazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc J. Randazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a foodie, you MUST go to Singapore.  I spent a few weeks there, and there is a place called &quot;Newton Circus,&quot; that is an absolute food orgasm.  

Now there isn&#039;t much there if you are a vegetarian, so I&#039;ll just presume that you aren&#039;t.  

In Newton Circus, you just grab a seat at an outdoor table and wave down servers.  They all work for a variety of food vendors and have everything from Sambal Stingray, to Mutton Bones, to little fried squid in sweet sauce... out of this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a foodie, you MUST go to Singapore.  I spent a few weeks there, and there is a place called &#8220;Newton Circus,&#8221; that is an absolute food orgasm.  </p>
<p>Now there isn&#8217;t much there if you are a vegetarian, so I&#8217;ll just presume that you aren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>In Newton Circus, you just grab a seat at an outdoor table and wave down servers.  They all work for a variety of food vendors and have everything from Sambal Stingray, to Mutton Bones, to little fried squid in sweet sauce&#8230; out of this world.</p>
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		<title>By: Entomologista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entomologista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Thailand in 2004. Bangkok you don&#039;t need to spend that much time on - it&#039;s dirty and crowded - but there are some really fabulous temples. The north part of Thailand is nice and has some good national parks. Go to Doi Inthanon to see some excellent waterfalls. The night market in Chiang Mai is really fun, and I took a cooking class in that city which was good. But because I&#039;m a biology geek, I had the most fun in the south. The limestone karst environment in the bay area between Thailand and Myanmar is spectacular. We saw a flying lizard and a monitor lizard. You should definitely do some snorkeling (but remember that most things sting, so no touching!). Don&#039;t miss out on the invertebrate life - both aquatic and terrestrial, it is simply phenomenal. And the beaches...oh my god the beaches....sigh. I want to go back.

Speaking of invertebrate life, here is some free advice on how not to die of a hideous tropical disease. Get an insect repellent with a high DEET content. Don&#039;t bother with malaria prophylactics unless you plan on being in endemic areas over night (like the hill country). Wear long sleeves and pants (you&#039;ll have to wear pants and shirt sleeves to visit temples anyway) in the evening. Jungle streams, rice paddies, pools of fresh water, etc. contain things like liver flukes, so it&#039;s best to just stay out of them. Take a small tube of Sting-Eze with you - I found this very helpful after having my foot devoured by a hive of ants in Krabi. I didn&#039;t find the mosquito netting I brought with me very helpful, but you will want it if you are staying over night in an area endemic to mosquito-vectored illnesses. Oh, and don&#039;t drink the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Thailand in 2004. Bangkok you don&#8217;t need to spend that much time on &#8211; it&#8217;s dirty and crowded &#8211; but there are some really fabulous temples. The north part of Thailand is nice and has some good national parks. Go to Doi Inthanon to see some excellent waterfalls. The night market in Chiang Mai is really fun, and I took a cooking class in that city which was good. But because I&#8217;m a biology geek, I had the most fun in the south. The limestone karst environment in the bay area between Thailand and Myanmar is spectacular. We saw a flying lizard and a monitor lizard. You should definitely do some snorkeling (but remember that most things sting, so no touching!). Don&#8217;t miss out on the invertebrate life &#8211; both aquatic and terrestrial, it is simply phenomenal. And the beaches&#8230;oh my god the beaches&#8230;.sigh. I want to go back.</p>
<p>Speaking of invertebrate life, here is some free advice on how not to die of a hideous tropical disease. Get an insect repellent with a high DEET content. Don&#8217;t bother with malaria prophylactics unless you plan on being in endemic areas over night (like the hill country). Wear long sleeves and pants (you&#8217;ll have to wear pants and shirt sleeves to visit temples anyway) in the evening. Jungle streams, rice paddies, pools of fresh water, etc. contain things like liver flukes, so it&#8217;s best to just stay out of them. Take a small tube of Sting-Eze with you &#8211; I found this very helpful after having my foot devoured by a hive of ants in Krabi. I didn&#8217;t find the mosquito netting I brought with me very helpful, but you will want it if you are staying over night in an area endemic to mosquito-vectored illnesses. Oh, and don&#8217;t drink the water.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3rd comment is right on--the hill tribe tourism is extremely exploitative. I did it in 96-97 and have regretted it ever since. It&#039;s just wrong and imperialistic. These &quot;treks&quot; are going to put you more in contact with other tourists than actual people who live there. If you really want to get to see some of the country, go somewhere without tourists, maybe in northeast Thailand. 

As for the trip as a whole, it&#039;s just too big. If you do all of that in a month, you&#039;ll be traveling most of the time and not spending enough time enjoying what you are seeing. I&#039;d recommend cutting that way back and either doing the Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos thing, or flying into Bangkok and heading south through southern Thailand and Malaysia to Singapore. You could also fly into Bali and spend the month in Indonesia alone--Bali, Lombok, Komodo, and Java would be more than a month right there. 

I think you should just choose a place a go with it. All the choices are good--they only become bad when you don&#039;t spend the time to enjoy them. And it&#039;s not like they are going anywhere. You can always go back. 

Also, eat all the street food you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3rd comment is right on&#8211;the hill tribe tourism is extremely exploitative. I did it in 96-97 and have regretted it ever since. It&#8217;s just wrong and imperialistic. These &#8220;treks&#8221; are going to put you more in contact with other tourists than actual people who live there. If you really want to get to see some of the country, go somewhere without tourists, maybe in northeast Thailand. </p>
<p>As for the trip as a whole, it&#8217;s just too big. If you do all of that in a month, you&#8217;ll be traveling most of the time and not spending enough time enjoying what you are seeing. I&#8217;d recommend cutting that way back and either doing the Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos thing, or flying into Bangkok and heading south through southern Thailand and Malaysia to Singapore. You could also fly into Bali and spend the month in Indonesia alone&#8211;Bali, Lombok, Komodo, and Java would be more than a month right there. </p>
<p>I think you should just choose a place a go with it. All the choices are good&#8211;they only become bad when you don&#8217;t spend the time to enjoy them. And it&#8217;s not like they are going anywhere. You can always go back. </p>
<p>Also, eat all the street food you can.</p>
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		<title>By: raquel</title>
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		<dc:creator>raquel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>long time lurker, first time poster...go to vietnam!!!i did a volunteer project in the mekong delta about 4 years ago and spent 3 weeks in that area. i would second (or third?) the suggestion to hit up dalat, i loved it. a beautiful lake at the top and there&#039;s a buddhist temple there you can walk around the grounds. somewhere there&#039;s a bench that our university sponsored! ho chi min city was really interesting, nha trang was ok, nothing too spectacular. have a great trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>long time lurker, first time poster&#8230;go to vietnam!!!i did a volunteer project in the mekong delta about 4 years ago and spent 3 weeks in that area. i would second (or third?) the suggestion to hit up dalat, i loved it. a beautiful lake at the top and there&#8217;s a buddhist temple there you can walk around the grounds. somewhere there&#8217;s a bench that our university sponsored! ho chi min city was really interesting, nha trang was ok, nothing too spectacular. have a great trip!</p>
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