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		<title>By: Cassie Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassie Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a lover not a hater, superb post.</description>
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		<title>By: Some Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Talk about a lesson in &quot;hetero privilege&quot;....gulp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Talk about a lesson in &#8220;hetero privilege&#8221;&#8230;.gulp.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Onne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Onne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really into huge, personal PDAs, but it&#039;s a disgrace to all of us that not everyone can feel safe enough to so much as touch, kiss or act in any way look like a couple.  Even as someone who identifies as heterosexual, growing up I had an element of self-editing in behaviour when I was out with a close friend who is very physically affectionate, in part because I was never the huge hug/kiss person (unless I know people well), but she&#039;s a very hand-holdy, kissy daaahling huggy person who just loves to give and recieve physical affection with everyone. Even though we weren&#039;t an item, and weren&#039;t engaging in anything remotely sexual people reacted to us visibly,  assuming we were a lesbian couple. Even though I didn&#039;t feel a hundredth of what lesbian couples face every day, I could see how brave they would have to be to so much as touch in public, and what kind of effect it could have on their lives. To fit in, I&#039;d just have to ask my friend to be a bit less clingy. To fit in, they&#039;d need to deny their relationships, to create a wall between themselves and who they love, in fear of violence and anger. I am ashamed that I can have these privileges, when they can&#039;t. But the very least I can do is to try and be supportive in any way I can. 

 It made me sad then, as now, how much the LGBT community has to hide for its safety, how people would react to the tiniest bit of what they would see as homosexuality, and punish them, or at the very least stare disgusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really into huge, personal PDAs, but it&#8217;s a disgrace to all of us that not everyone can feel safe enough to so much as touch, kiss or act in any way look like a couple.  Even as someone who identifies as heterosexual, growing up I had an element of self-editing in behaviour when I was out with a close friend who is very physically affectionate, in part because I was never the huge hug/kiss person (unless I know people well), but she&#8217;s a very hand-holdy, kissy daaahling huggy person who just loves to give and recieve physical affection with everyone. Even though we weren&#8217;t an item, and weren&#8217;t engaging in anything remotely sexual people reacted to us visibly,  assuming we were a lesbian couple. Even though I didn&#8217;t feel a hundredth of what lesbian couples face every day, I could see how brave they would have to be to so much as touch in public, and what kind of effect it could have on their lives. To fit in, I&#8217;d just have to ask my friend to be a bit less clingy. To fit in, they&#8217;d need to deny their relationships, to create a wall between themselves and who they love, in fear of violence and anger. I am ashamed that I can have these privileges, when they can&#8217;t. But the very least I can do is to try and be supportive in any way I can. </p>
<p> It made me sad then, as now, how much the LGBT community has to hide for its safety, how people would react to the tiniest bit of what they would see as homosexuality, and punish them, or at the very least stare disgusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>annajcook says: May 7th, 2008 at 7:42 am - Edit

That is what struck me most about PD&#039;s post.  At first I thought the challenge of just not kissing or holding hands in public would be easy.  But when I read all the other details she pointed out, no touching in anyway, no &quot;we&quot; language, no wedding ring, it really hit me just how limited gay couples are in public.  I shared this with my husband, who is tolerant but not really understanding of LGBT issues, and he just kept saying how sad it is.  It was really an eye-opener for me as a heterosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annajcook says: May 7th, 2008 at 7:42 am &#8211; Edit</p>
<p>That is what struck me most about PD&#8217;s post.  At first I thought the challenge of just not kissing or holding hands in public would be easy.  But when I read all the other details she pointed out, no touching in anyway, no &#8220;we&#8221; language, no wedding ring, it really hit me just how limited gay couples are in public.  I shared this with my husband, who is tolerant but not really understanding of LGBT issues, and he just kept saying how sad it is.  It was really an eye-opener for me as a heterosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While clearly, people&#039;s own comfort level with &quot;PDA,&quot; straight or nonstraight, exists on a range, I think it&#039;s important to see that the original post by PortlyDyke is not just about &quot;PDA&quot; as in snogging in public or being overtly sexually with one another.  It about much more than that--it&#039;s about feeling able to acknowledge your partner/lover &lt;i&gt;as your partner/lover&lt;/i&gt; in public spaces.  Hand-holding, putting your arm around your partner&#039;s waist, and using &quot;we&quot; language instead of &quot;I&quot; language is not going to violate most peoples&#039; comfort zones in terms of Public Displays of Affection . . . at least if the couple is heterosexual.  PortlyDyke&#039;s point is that we don&#039;t, for the most part, &lt;i&gt;even notice these behaviors&lt;/i&gt; in straight couples . . . unless we&#039;re aware of not being able to engage in them ourselves without attracting unwanted negative attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While clearly, people&#8217;s own comfort level with &#8220;PDA,&#8221; straight or nonstraight, exists on a range, I think it&#8217;s important to see that the original post by PortlyDyke is not just about &#8220;PDA&#8221; as in snogging in public or being overtly sexually with one another.  It about much more than that&#8211;it&#8217;s about feeling able to acknowledge your partner/lover <i>as your partner/lover</i> in public spaces.  Hand-holding, putting your arm around your partner&#8217;s waist, and using &#8220;we&#8221; language instead of &#8220;I&#8221; language is not going to violate most peoples&#8217; comfort zones in terms of Public Displays of Affection . . . at least if the couple is heterosexual.  PortlyDyke&#8217;s point is that we don&#8217;t, for the most part, <i>even notice these behaviors</i> in straight couples . . . unless we&#8217;re aware of not being able to engage in them ourselves without attracting unwanted negative attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OK… to those who expressed distaste for PDAs in general, what harm do they do? When anything consensually sexual is disapproved of, who gets the brunt of the disapproval? That’s right, women (and other females). *gently closes can of worms for now*&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m just not comfortable with PDA, straight, gay, or otherwise. It has something to do with how I was raised: my family is not overly physically affectionate, and I&#039;m not used to expressing emotions, in a physical way, so publicly. I&#039;m also a very private person and engaging in PDA myself squicks me out, so seeing others do makes me even more uncomfortable. Of course PDA doesn&#039;t do any real harm, but I just don&#039;t want to see it. 

I&#039;m sure my het privilege is coming through here - after all, if I were afraid of engaging in PDA with my partner because of society&#039;s reactions and such, I might have quite different opinions about it. But as a straight girl, it honestly just bothers me. And I hate it when people treat me like a prude because of that. Just cause I don&#039;t want to see other people kiss in public doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m afraid of sex or any of that. Nor do I think sex should always be &quot;special.&quot; I would prefer that it didn&#039;t happen right in front of me (unless I&#039;m involved, of course!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OK… to those who expressed distaste for PDAs in general, what harm do they do? When anything consensually sexual is disapproved of, who gets the brunt of the disapproval? That’s right, women (and other females). *gently closes can of worms for now*</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m just not comfortable with PDA, straight, gay, or otherwise. It has something to do with how I was raised: my family is not overly physically affectionate, and I&#8217;m not used to expressing emotions, in a physical way, so publicly. I&#8217;m also a very private person and engaging in PDA myself squicks me out, so seeing others do makes me even more uncomfortable. Of course PDA doesn&#8217;t do any real harm, but I just don&#8217;t want to see it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure my het privilege is coming through here &#8211; after all, if I were afraid of engaging in PDA with my partner because of society&#8217;s reactions and such, I might have quite different opinions about it. But as a straight girl, it honestly just bothers me. And I hate it when people treat me like a prude because of that. Just cause I don&#8217;t want to see other people kiss in public doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m afraid of sex or any of that. Nor do I think sex should always be &#8220;special.&#8221; I would prefer that it didn&#8217;t happen right in front of me (unless I&#8217;m involved, of course!).</p>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Victoria, BC, and I see a lot of PDA between same-sex couples. It always makes me smile. There&#039;s a lesbian couple at my church who sorta cuddle up and listen to the sermon together. And a straight couple too.  I like my city. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Victoria, BC, and I see a lot of PDA between same-sex couples. It always makes me smile. There&#8217;s a lesbian couple at my church who sorta cuddle up and listen to the sermon together. And a straight couple too.  I like my city. :)</p>
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		<title>By: JenLovesPonies</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenLovesPonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OK… to those who expressed distaste for PDAs in general, what harm do they do? When anything consensually sexual is disapproved of, who gets the brunt of the disapproval? That’s right, women (and other females). *gently closes can of worms for now*&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I do want to respond to this.  For me, personally, I get irritated with people in relationships when I am single, even though I personally don&#039;t really care about dating and doubt the whole long-term-monogamy-whatever. Hell, I get irritated with people in relationships even when I am seeing someone, because I can always leave that person to the side and talk to the other people I am with who I generally see less often than my lover.  To me, it is rude to be setting a pair of people apart from the group by virtue of the fact they are dating.  Too often, I see couples who can&#039;t break apart from the night to sit by people they haven&#039;t seen in a month, or who can&#039;t talk about anything but each other when they are apart.  I hate especially people who bring along their het sweeties on &quot;Girls Night Out&quot; (or, while I am not there, Boys Night Out).  Come on, couples, you are not actually attached at the hip.

I think our society treats couples differently.  For instance, Emily Post says you cannot invite out one member of a married couple without inviting their spouse.  Why the fuck not, Emily?  Aren&#039;t they two different people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OK… to those who expressed distaste for PDAs in general, what harm do they do? When anything consensually sexual is disapproved of, who gets the brunt of the disapproval? That’s right, women (and other females). *gently closes can of worms for now*</p></blockquote>
<p>I do want to respond to this.  For me, personally, I get irritated with people in relationships when I am single, even though I personally don&#8217;t really care about dating and doubt the whole long-term-monogamy-whatever. Hell, I get irritated with people in relationships even when I am seeing someone, because I can always leave that person to the side and talk to the other people I am with who I generally see less often than my lover.  To me, it is rude to be setting a pair of people apart from the group by virtue of the fact they are dating.  Too often, I see couples who can&#8217;t break apart from the night to sit by people they haven&#8217;t seen in a month, or who can&#8217;t talk about anything but each other when they are apart.  I hate especially people who bring along their het sweeties on &#8220;Girls Night Out&#8221; (or, while I am not there, Boys Night Out).  Come on, couples, you are not actually attached at the hip.</p>
<p>I think our society treats couples differently.  For instance, Emily Post says you cannot invite out one member of a married couple without inviting their spouse.  Why the fuck not, Emily?  Aren&#8217;t they two different people?</p>
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		<title>By: RoRo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the Castro district of SF, and there&#039;s a ton of same-sex PDA going on.  It&#039;s a really safe place for both nonhet and het couples to get their public mack on.  It&#039;s actually pretty heartwarming, all the love around.  I&#039;ve lived here for quite a while, and I guess I&#039;ve kind of lost my sensitivity to the issue, because it really barely is one in my area -- thanks for reminding me that things aren&#039;t so open outside of my bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the Castro district of SF, and there&#8217;s a ton of same-sex PDA going on.  It&#8217;s a really safe place for both nonhet and het couples to get their public mack on.  It&#8217;s actually pretty heartwarming, all the love around.  I&#8217;ve lived here for quite a while, and I guess I&#8217;ve kind of lost my sensitivity to the issue, because it really barely is one in my area &#8212; thanks for reminding me that things aren&#8217;t so open outside of my bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: calliopejane</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people here say they are against PDAs I think they may be thinking of affection taken to a level that is not considered acceptable in public in our culture, whereas the people who wonder how you can possibly mind are thinking of sweet little kisses and holding hands.  I love seeing public-space-appropriate levels of affection shown in public, especially by gay &amp; lesbian couples (being a lesbian myself).  Actually, what REALLY brings a smile to my face is affection between elderly G/L couples - challenging heterosexism and ageism all at once, I like to imagine they&#039;ve been together for decades and are still so much in love, plus I just so admire any LGBT folks who lived through times when it was so much harder than it is now and helped pave the way for the rest of us.  But I cannot stand people who are all over each other in public spaces, grinding and tonguing and all that, which is pretty much always straight couples.  I&#039;ve thought about why I hate it so, and I think it comes down to 2 things:

1) It makes me uncomfortable because I don&#039;t know how to react.  It is rude to stare.  But if they&#039;re in your field of vision, it&#039;s hard to avoid it.  Pointedly looking elsewhere can be a pain, when your attention needs to be on something (a show, a conversation partner, whatever) in their general direction.  It&#039;s distracting as anything.  And heaven forbid you need them to move so you can reach your drink on the bar or get to the bathroom or something, because even though they&#039;re in public they&#039;ve lost all awareness and consideration of those around them, and you&#039;re trying to politely(!) get the attention of this couple with her hand in his crotch and his face in her cleavage slurping away.

2) It is such an obvious display of the heterosexual privilege in our culture, and I just know that if I were to do something like that with my girlfriend I&#039;d certainly get some verbal crap and might be assaulted or arrested.  And even though I don&#039;t really want to be *that* demonstrative in public, the fact that they CAN and I CAN&#039;T stokes my anger at the whole f-ing heterosexist world.  Of course, I don&#039;t express the anger in any way, but the in-my-face-ness of their heterosexual privilege just pisses me off. (also, I find myself wondering if that couple is composed of people who talk about gays &quot;flaunting.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people here say they are against PDAs I think they may be thinking of affection taken to a level that is not considered acceptable in public in our culture, whereas the people who wonder how you can possibly mind are thinking of sweet little kisses and holding hands.  I love seeing public-space-appropriate levels of affection shown in public, especially by gay &amp; lesbian couples (being a lesbian myself).  Actually, what REALLY brings a smile to my face is affection between elderly G/L couples &#8211; challenging heterosexism and ageism all at once, I like to imagine they&#8217;ve been together for decades and are still so much in love, plus I just so admire any LGBT folks who lived through times when it was so much harder than it is now and helped pave the way for the rest of us.  But I cannot stand people who are all over each other in public spaces, grinding and tonguing and all that, which is pretty much always straight couples.  I&#8217;ve thought about why I hate it so, and I think it comes down to 2 things:</p>
<p>1) It makes me uncomfortable because I don&#8217;t know how to react.  It is rude to stare.  But if they&#8217;re in your field of vision, it&#8217;s hard to avoid it.  Pointedly looking elsewhere can be a pain, when your attention needs to be on something (a show, a conversation partner, whatever) in their general direction.  It&#8217;s distracting as anything.  And heaven forbid you need them to move so you can reach your drink on the bar or get to the bathroom or something, because even though they&#8217;re in public they&#8217;ve lost all awareness and consideration of those around them, and you&#8217;re trying to politely(!) get the attention of this couple with her hand in his crotch and his face in her cleavage slurping away.</p>
<p>2) It is such an obvious display of the heterosexual privilege in our culture, and I just know that if I were to do something like that with my girlfriend I&#8217;d certainly get some verbal crap and might be assaulted or arrested.  And even though I don&#8217;t really want to be *that* demonstrative in public, the fact that they CAN and I CAN&#8217;T stokes my anger at the whole f-ing heterosexist world.  Of course, I don&#8217;t express the anger in any way, but the in-my-face-ness of their heterosexual privilege just pisses me off. (also, I find myself wondering if that couple is composed of people who talk about gays &#8220;flaunting.&#8221;)</p>
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