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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/and-were-done-here/#comment-174160</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, I do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, I do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/and-were-done-here/#comment-173982</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great two weeks, Thomas. I can&#039;t find it in the archives, but do you have a blog where you&#039;re regularly posting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great two weeks, Thomas. I can&#8217;t find it in the archives, but do you have a blog where you&#8217;re regularly posting?</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/and-were-done-here/#comment-173730</link>
		<dc:creator>Mnemosyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The same goes for female celebrities (Pink or Michelle Rodriguez, anybody?) who are often mocked by gay male bloggers, throwing out claims that any woman who does not wear make-up or dress up, is automatically a lesbian.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I&#039;m pretty sure that Michelle Rodriguez is a lesbian since &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,623518,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one of her arrests was for domestic violence&lt;/a&gt; against her girlfriend.  Why gay male bloggers think it&#039;s perfectly fine to taunt lesbians for being gay is a whole different question and a whole other level of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The same goes for female celebrities (Pink or Michelle Rodriguez, anybody?) who are often mocked by gay male bloggers, throwing out claims that any woman who does not wear make-up or dress up, is automatically a lesbian.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m pretty sure that Michelle Rodriguez is a lesbian since <a href="http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,623518,00.html" rel="nofollow">one of her arrests was for domestic violence</a> against her girlfriend.  Why gay male bloggers think it&#8217;s perfectly fine to taunt lesbians for being gay is a whole different question and a whole other level of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: bittergradstudent</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/and-were-done-here/#comment-173716</link>
		<dc:creator>bittergradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminist PUNK #13:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
’ve noticed an increase in a rather disturbing trend among gay male celebrity bloggers (cough Perez cough) who like to make homophobic remarks about straight guys, taunting them for their hairstyles, mannerisms, and clothes, making disgusting homophobic comments, suggesting that if a man does not adhere to “heteronormative” standards, then he is probably GAY.

The same goes for female celebrities (Pink or Michelle Rodriguez, anybody?) who are often mocked by gay male bloggers, throwing out claims that any woman who does not wear make-up or dress up, is automatically a lesbian. WTF, people?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a queer man, I think the reason goes to the fact that a LOT of gay men I&#039;ve dealt with in life don&#039;t really &#039;get&#039; it.  They really don&#039;t see that gender identiy and sexism and homophobia and everything is completely tied together.  Some of the nastiest, most sexist comments I have ever heard have been in gay male spaces.  

What these gay men want is to get the full male privelige that they think they deserve, not a reexamination of the notion of privelege.  It&#039;s also why the HRC goes full steam ahead on the marriage issue while casually exempting the trans community from the nondiscrimination bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminist PUNK #13:</p>
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’ve noticed an increase in a rather disturbing trend among gay male celebrity bloggers (cough Perez cough) who like to make homophobic remarks about straight guys, taunting them for their hairstyles, mannerisms, and clothes, making disgusting homophobic comments, suggesting that if a man does not adhere to “heteronormative” standards, then he is probably GAY.</p>
<p>The same goes for female celebrities (Pink or Michelle Rodriguez, anybody?) who are often mocked by gay male bloggers, throwing out claims that any woman who does not wear make-up or dress up, is automatically a lesbian. WTF, people?
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<p>As a queer man, I think the reason goes to the fact that a LOT of gay men I&#8217;ve dealt with in life don&#8217;t really &#8216;get&#8217; it.  They really don&#8217;t see that gender identiy and sexism and homophobia and everything is completely tied together.  Some of the nastiest, most sexist comments I have ever heard have been in gay male spaces.  </p>
<p>What these gay men want is to get the full male privelige that they think they deserve, not a reexamination of the notion of privelege.  It&#8217;s also why the HRC goes full steam ahead on the marriage issue while casually exempting the trans community from the nondiscrimination bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce from Missouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce from Missouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, and Skirt, in replies 20-22, I see where you are coming from.  I was using a much narrower definition of &quot;action star&quot;, which basically only included your musclehead types like Arnold, Stallone, and so on.  But if you expand it out to actors who have talents beyond blowing crap up, you are certainly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, and Skirt, in replies 20-22, I see where you are coming from.  I was using a much narrower definition of &#8220;action star&#8221;, which basically only included your musclehead types like Arnold, Stallone, and so on.  But if you expand it out to actors who have talents beyond blowing crap up, you are certainly right.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandolin, that&#039;s very kind.  I could not take on that time commitment at this point, even if the regulars wanted me permanently, which is not something that has ever come up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandolin, that&#8217;s very kind.  I could not take on that time commitment at this point, even if the regulars wanted me permanently, which is not something that has ever come up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the extent anyone&#039;s taking votes (i.e. not at all), I vote that you get invited as a regular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the extent anyone&#8217;s taking votes (i.e. not at all), I vote that you get invited as a regular.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see it. Just because others don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Boy, does &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/22/today-amanda-marcotte-at-kgb-bar-in-manhattan/#comment-166476&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that &lt;/a&gt;sound &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/15/i-know-vogue-isnt-exactly-racially-conscious-but/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;familiar.&lt;/a&gt;

One hopes that the more -isms one becomes familiar with, the easier it is to pick it up when it&#039;s happening to another person/group.

For me, that sentence spoke for itself, if you will.  Tom didn&#039;t even have to finish his analysis for me to see/get it.

I have no idea what that says, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see it. Just because others don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Boy, does <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/22/today-amanda-marcotte-at-kgb-bar-in-manhattan/#comment-166476" rel="nofollow">that </a>sound <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/15/i-know-vogue-isnt-exactly-racially-conscious-but/" rel="nofollow">familiar.</a></p>
<p>One hopes that the more -isms one becomes familiar with, the easier it is to pick it up when it&#8217;s happening to another person/group.</p>
<p>For me, that sentence spoke for itself, if you will.  Tom didn&#8217;t even have to finish his analysis for me to see/get it.</p>
<p>I have no idea what that says, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole, you might have noticed that that one got gang-tackled behind the line of scrimmage.  Of all the blogs where cis-priv will go unexamined, this ain&#039;t the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole, you might have noticed that that one got gang-tackled behind the line of scrimmage.  Of all the blogs where cis-priv will go unexamined, this ain&#8217;t the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/and-were-done-here/#comment-173513</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as I’m concerned, if you’re 18 or over and you have a Y chromosome and the requisite plumbing, you are a man, period, end of story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yey for extending cisgender privilege to deny people&#039;s identities!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As far as I’m concerned, if you’re 18 or over and you have a Y chromosome and the requisite plumbing, you are a man, period, end of story.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yey for extending cisgender privilege to deny people&#8217;s identities!</p>
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