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		<title>By: core.-</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/when-good-people-do-nothing/#comment-180781</link>
		<dc:creator>core.-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born a sociopath not a psychopath, and I have only one question.

What makes you think you are a good person?

Religion? Morality? Ethics? Apathy? Cowardice? Selflesness? Arrogance?

What defines a good person?

And who the hell are you to pass judgement, you can feel, you can empathize, and you have your pride, you are human, and as such, I dont think you can judge humanity.

Male or female,race or colour, it makes no difference. I am not condemning you for any of those factors, im condemning your arrogance for being human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born a sociopath not a psychopath, and I have only one question.</p>
<p>What makes you think you are a good person?</p>
<p>Religion? Morality? Ethics? Apathy? Cowardice? Selflesness? Arrogance?</p>
<p>What defines a good person?</p>
<p>And who the hell are you to pass judgement, you can feel, you can empathize, and you have your pride, you are human, and as such, I dont think you can judge humanity.</p>
<p>Male or female,race or colour, it makes no difference. I am not condemning you for any of those factors, im condemning your arrogance for being human.</p>
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		<title>By: Resident Evil 5 V.2 - Page 10 - Resident Evil Forums</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so you must be the REAL racist&#039; thing is the most retarded argument anyone could bring up, sorry.  Racism is a huge fucking problem in America  And so yes, we do have to look at the things that make up our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so you must be the REAL racist&#8217; thing is the most retarded argument anyone could bring up, sorry.  Racism is a huge fucking problem in America  And so yes, we do have to look at the things that make up our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/when-good-people-do-nothing/#comment-175183</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big issue that we are not addressing is the fact that there is an underlying culture in inner cities of not helping with investigations because you would be labeled a &quot;rat.&quot; Even with a human being in front of you in horrific pain and suffering. Several of these murders are preventable and solvable but witnesses are not coming forth. 
Secondly, violence and sex have become increasingly intertwined (eg, recent tape released from a Memphis High School labeled &quot;Rape Dance&quot; with high schoolers screaming, &quot;Rape Dat Ho.&quot;). Normalizing rape and violence against women will lead to more of these crimes, with increasing need for more violence to &quot;get off.&quot; We need to wake up and educate our men that this is completely unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big issue that we are not addressing is the fact that there is an underlying culture in inner cities of not helping with investigations because you would be labeled a &#8220;rat.&#8221; Even with a human being in front of you in horrific pain and suffering. Several of these murders are preventable and solvable but witnesses are not coming forth.<br />
Secondly, violence and sex have become increasingly intertwined (eg, recent tape released from a Memphis High School labeled &#8220;Rape Dance&#8221; with high schoolers screaming, &#8220;Rape Dat Ho.&#8221;). Normalizing rape and violence against women will lead to more of these crimes, with increasing need for more violence to &#8220;get off.&#8221; We need to wake up and educate our men that this is completely unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/09/when-good-people-do-nothing/#comment-174304</link>
		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not. The most they usually ask someone of your description is for photo ID. Although I tried to report a weenie waggler and the police asked for my description even though he was there in person. He asked me if I had just had a fight with my boyfriend and was getting back at him and then finally told me that men were deviant creatures as I should know and it&#039;s a free country and unless they grab me, they can apparently pull out their penis and masturbate in front of you. 


That particular officer as it turned out was in his last week of employment b/c only days later, he and three others fired several dozen shots at an unconscious Black woman inside her car and were eventually fired. Though not before they hi-fived, laughed and engaged in celebratory antics after the shooting, according to an officer there who witnessed the behavior. 

His behavior to me was strange. His behavior along with three other White officers towards an unconscious Black woman was lethal. We were profiled differently. 

I had plainclothed officers pull guns on me but both times it was mistaken identity and both times I didn&#039;t even know initially they were police. Still, that was only when I lived in a poor neighborhood where Whites were the minority. The policing as stated is much, much different in minority neighborhoods than in White middle-class neighborhoods for example, where the attitude is more to protect and serve. 

Since I&#039;m involved in police issues, I run into a wide gambit of police officers. Some are nice, some not so nice (and one even yelled from me from his squad car b/c he was upset with my articles) but most of them know my first, last or both first and last names. It&#039;s a rare day when I&#039;m not called either or both by them even by officers I haven&#039;t met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not. The most they usually ask someone of your description is for photo ID. Although I tried to report a weenie waggler and the police asked for my description even though he was there in person. He asked me if I had just had a fight with my boyfriend and was getting back at him and then finally told me that men were deviant creatures as I should know and it&#8217;s a free country and unless they grab me, they can apparently pull out their penis and masturbate in front of you. </p>
<p>That particular officer as it turned out was in his last week of employment b/c only days later, he and three others fired several dozen shots at an unconscious Black woman inside her car and were eventually fired. Though not before they hi-fived, laughed and engaged in celebratory antics after the shooting, according to an officer there who witnessed the behavior. </p>
<p>His behavior to me was strange. His behavior along with three other White officers towards an unconscious Black woman was lethal. We were profiled differently. </p>
<p>I had plainclothed officers pull guns on me but both times it was mistaken identity and both times I didn&#8217;t even know initially they were police. Still, that was only when I lived in a poor neighborhood where Whites were the minority. The policing as stated is much, much different in minority neighborhoods than in White middle-class neighborhoods for example, where the attitude is more to protect and serve. </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m involved in police issues, I run into a wide gambit of police officers. Some are nice, some not so nice (and one even yelled from me from his squad car b/c he was upset with my articles) but most of them know my first, last or both first and last names. It&#8217;s a rare day when I&#8217;m not called either or both by them even by officers I haven&#8217;t met.</p>
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		<title>By: catfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>catfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluish said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are in a targeted/marginalized community, the police may end up harassing you, for starters. The police are not always your friend, and I think a lot of white, middle class America doesn’t know what it feels like to know that 911 is not a safe option for help.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m as priviliged as it gets: white, male, het, middle class, all that. My biggest clash with the law has to do with speeding tickets. And I &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; feel weird about talking to police. A few years ago, I found a bike that looked like it had been stolen and abandoned. I took it down to the precinct in case someone was looking for it and... sheesh... they wanted all my contact information, social security number, ran some sort of check in the back room, wanted all my addresses for the last so many years, and so on.

I don&#039;t know; is it policy to run a warrants check on anyone who walks into the precinct? It felt invasive, and I&#039;m not someone who ordinarily has reason to fear the police.

So I have &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; inkling of why people of color might hesitate to call 911.

Fine. Next time I&#039;m just leaving the damn bike where I found it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluish said:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you are in a targeted/marginalized community, the police may end up harassing you, for starters. The police are not always your friend, and I think a lot of white, middle class America doesn’t know what it feels like to know that 911 is not a safe option for help.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m as priviliged as it gets: white, male, het, middle class, all that. My biggest clash with the law has to do with speeding tickets. And I <em>still</em> feel weird about talking to police. A few years ago, I found a bike that looked like it had been stolen and abandoned. I took it down to the precinct in case someone was looking for it and&#8230; sheesh&#8230; they wanted all my contact information, social security number, ran some sort of check in the back room, wanted all my addresses for the last so many years, and so on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know; is it policy to run a warrants check on anyone who walks into the precinct? It felt invasive, and I&#8217;m not someone who ordinarily has reason to fear the police.</p>
<p>So I have <em>some</em> inkling of why people of color might hesitate to call 911.</p>
<p>Fine. Next time I&#8217;m just leaving the damn bike where I found it.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePakistaniHereticalGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThePakistaniHereticalGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When &#039;good people&#039; actually &lt;strong&gt;choose&lt;/strong&gt; to do nothing.
 I just found out that schools in Birmingham (UK), are refusing to display posters that warn Pakistani girls about what to do and who to call if they think they are in danger of forced marriage. This is cos they don&#039;t want to offend our culture. See, what we are dealing with is not so different from what Ramona&#039;s family suffered; But it&#039;s coming from all angles, the police, the schools- everyone, everyone is selling us out, on hijab, on forced marriage, on being able to work, on abuse issues- everything. British reckon that selling us out will stop another 7-7, no way, it&#039;s impossible, cos this people can not be dealt with rationally. Black girls are getting undercut cos of racist stereotypes, Pakistani girls are getting left in danger cos of the same, white girls are getting trafficked from Russia to Amsterdam- no one cares, see, &lt;strong&gt;BLACK-BROWN-WHITE&lt;/strong&gt;, all of us is suffering from patriarhcy, this is what is feminism, it&#039;s total focus and total radical action to stop abuse against women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When &#8216;good people&#8217; actually <strong>choose</strong> to do nothing.<br />
 I just found out that schools in Birmingham (UK), are refusing to display posters that warn Pakistani girls about what to do and who to call if they think they are in danger of forced marriage. This is cos they don&#8217;t want to offend our culture. See, what we are dealing with is not so different from what Ramona&#8217;s family suffered; But it&#8217;s coming from all angles, the police, the schools- everyone, everyone is selling us out, on hijab, on forced marriage, on being able to work, on abuse issues- everything. British reckon that selling us out will stop another 7-7, no way, it&#8217;s impossible, cos this people can not be dealt with rationally. Black girls are getting undercut cos of racist stereotypes, Pakistani girls are getting left in danger cos of the same, white girls are getting trafficked from Russia to Amsterdam- no one cares, see, <strong>BLACK-BROWN-WHITE</strong>, all of us is suffering from patriarhcy, this is what is feminism, it&#8217;s total focus and total radical action to stop abuse against women.</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran into this problem continuously when I reported my daughters missing, who most of the time were on the lamb willingly BUT, that didn&#039;t preclude them from assuming that even if on the run, they could have fallen into the wrong hands or taken a wrong turn.  

I am white by the way, but was a poor single mother and I know for a fact that classism played a huge role in how social services agencies, police and other authorities treated me when I tried my to do what was right for my daughters.  The assumption was always, &quot;Oh, they&#039;re wild, just like the rest of those types, why bother, they won&#039;t amount to anything and I won&#039;t get any social points for trying anyway.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran into this problem continuously when I reported my daughters missing, who most of the time were on the lamb willingly BUT, that didn&#8217;t preclude them from assuming that even if on the run, they could have fallen into the wrong hands or taken a wrong turn.  </p>
<p>I am white by the way, but was a poor single mother and I know for a fact that classism played a huge role in how social services agencies, police and other authorities treated me when I tried my to do what was right for my daughters.  The assumption was always, &#8220;Oh, they&#8217;re wild, just like the rest of those types, why bother, they won&#8217;t amount to anything and I won&#8217;t get any social points for trying anyway.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Lady, why are you calling here? Your daughter is 21. These officers should not have taken the report in the first place.&#8221; &#171; Feminocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Lady, why are you calling here? Your daughter is 21. These officers should not have taken the report in the first place.&#8221; &#171; Feminocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Feministing, Feministe, What About Our Daughters, The Feminist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is racism a feminist issue? &#171; Girly Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is racism a feminist issue? &#171; Girly Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to figure out what we need to do to not be racist and to be inclusive. But I just came across a post by Cara on Feministe saying that the Romona Moore rape and murder case shows that racism is a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to figure out what we need to do to not be racist and to be inclusive. But I just came across a post by Cara on Feministe saying that the Romona Moore rape and murder case shows that racism is a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your post, 

As said, it&#039;s like this everywhere. Why in my city did a White woman who was the victim of a fatal hit-and-run get &lt;em&gt;eight&lt;/em&gt; homicide detectives, a sergeant and an evidence tech assigned to her case while a Black woman who was a victim of a fatal hit-and-run accident get only the obligatory two detectives? Which case was solved within 72-hours with an arrest and just recently a conviction, and which one is now considered a &quot;cold&quot; case? 

And for women of color getting raped (which in at least one case involving the daughter of a woman I know wasn&#039;t even considered a crime) versus a White woman getting raped, it&#039;s the same thing. 

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s because my city&#039;s homicide unit is all White men and maybe they relate more to victims and victims&#039; families who look more like them.  Maybe it&#039;s the racism which has been a long-standing problem. Maybe because people don&#039;t trust the police enough for good reason to report crimes and eye witness accounts, let alone in some cases, potentially turn in family members. 

If it weren&#039;t for excellent sites like &quot;Black and Missing&quot; most of this wouldn&#039;t be told, because it&#039;s not like the media does this tremendous job in its handling of crime victims&#039; stories unless they&#039;re White and preferably blonde young women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your post, </p>
<p>As said, it&#8217;s like this everywhere. Why in my city did a White woman who was the victim of a fatal hit-and-run get <em>eight</em> homicide detectives, a sergeant and an evidence tech assigned to her case while a Black woman who was a victim of a fatal hit-and-run accident get only the obligatory two detectives? Which case was solved within 72-hours with an arrest and just recently a conviction, and which one is now considered a &#8220;cold&#8221; case? </p>
<p>And for women of color getting raped (which in at least one case involving the daughter of a woman I know wasn&#8217;t even considered a crime) versus a White woman getting raped, it&#8217;s the same thing. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s because my city&#8217;s homicide unit is all White men and maybe they relate more to victims and victims&#8217; families who look more like them.  Maybe it&#8217;s the racism which has been a long-standing problem. Maybe because people don&#8217;t trust the police enough for good reason to report crimes and eye witness accounts, let alone in some cases, potentially turn in family members. </p>
<p>If it weren&#8217;t for excellent sites like &#8220;Black and Missing&#8221; most of this wouldn&#8217;t be told, because it&#8217;s not like the media does this tremendous job in its handling of crime victims&#8217; stories unless they&#8217;re White and preferably blonde young women.</p>
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