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	<title>Comments on: Ellen takes on John McCain on marriage equality</title>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he did NOT punk out. he did not lie and say one thing, then vote against it in 2 years, when he is the new president.
word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he did NOT punk out. he did not lie and say one thing, then vote against it in 2 years, when he is the new president.<br />
word.</p>
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		<title>By: Noble Savage &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The elephant in the room: McCain and gay marriage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noble Savage &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The elephant in the room: McCain and gay marriage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 08:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: josephine_e</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#  The Raving Atheist says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm - Edit

I don’t know why McCain is being singled out here. The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain’s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, from watching those clips, it sounded to me that both Clinton and Obama were saying it&#039;s not their job, it&#039;s the state&#039;s job.  I think Obama did a better job of articulating that sentiment and came off as less evasive.  Yes, they both were tip-toeing.  They&#039;re politicians, it&#039;s what they do, but from watching the three clips back to back, I definitely get the feeling that although John McCain might say, &quot;Sure, let&#039;s do civil unions,&quot; he does not care for the rights of the GLBT community.  Clinton and Obama seem to understand and care about the issue, though they are trying to cover their own behinds in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#  The Raving Atheist says:<br />
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm &#8211; Edit</p>
<p>I don’t know why McCain is being singled out here. The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain’s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, from watching those clips, it sounded to me that both Clinton and Obama were saying it&#8217;s not their job, it&#8217;s the state&#8217;s job.  I think Obama did a better job of articulating that sentiment and came off as less evasive.  Yes, they both were tip-toeing.  They&#8217;re politicians, it&#8217;s what they do, but from watching the three clips back to back, I definitely get the feeling that although John McCain might say, &#8220;Sure, let&#8217;s do civil unions,&#8221; he does not care for the rights of the GLBT community.  Clinton and Obama seem to understand and care about the issue, though they are trying to cover their own behinds in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 16:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadly, John McCain is the lesser of all evils in this election. He’s the most moderate of the current contenders, and the last thing this country needs is more elected officials to the right OR left of center.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Will you still think that when President McCain starts bombing Iran? Or when his health care privatization scheme puts more people into the desperate straits of the uninsured?

Neither Obama nor Clinton is a raving lefty - I should know, being one myself - and they are nearly stepping on each other to occupy the absolute Center of American politics (wherever that is) without alienating workers, people of color, women, and queers (and please note, it is quite possible to belong to all four so-called &quot;special interest&quot; groups.) Sadly, they&#039;ve both done a poor job, as it seems racist and sexist coding by both campaigns have created sharp divisions among voters who should be happily embracing either candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadly, John McCain is the lesser of all evils in this election. He’s the most moderate of the current contenders, and the last thing this country needs is more elected officials to the right OR left of center.</p></blockquote>
<p>Will you still think that when President McCain starts bombing Iran? Or when his health care privatization scheme puts more people into the desperate straits of the uninsured?</p>
<p>Neither Obama nor Clinton is a raving lefty &#8211; I should know, being one myself &#8211; and they are nearly stepping on each other to occupy the absolute Center of American politics (wherever that is) without alienating workers, people of color, women, and queers (and please note, it is quite possible to belong to all four so-called &#8220;special interest&#8221; groups.) Sadly, they&#8217;ve both done a poor job, as it seems racist and sexist coding by both campaigns have created sharp divisions among voters who should be happily embracing either candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/22/ellen-takes-on-john-mccain-on-marriage-equality/#comment-177134</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t know why McCain is being singled out here. The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain’s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think it is great that Ellen put McCain on the spot and spoke up for the dignity and validity of her marriage. But Raving Atheist makes a good point: both Obama and Clinton deserve the same treatment. Their positions are half-assed compromises of queer rights in the face of homophobic bigotry. It may be politically convenient, for fear of rousing the Fundie Gay-Bashing Beast conventional wisdom credits for John Kerry&#039;s defeat in 2004; but it is no less worthy of being challenged.

I think Ellen didn&#039;t challenge Obama and Clinton when they appeared on her show is because of simple timing. Had they appeared after the California supreme court&#039;s ruling, she may have had it more in the forefront of her mind and thus more ready to question them more aggressively. By the same token, had McCain appeared much earlier in the primary season, he could have avoided this embarrassment. But I&#039;m glad his sense of timing is so off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know why McCain is being singled out here. The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain’s.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it is great that Ellen put McCain on the spot and spoke up for the dignity and validity of her marriage. But Raving Atheist makes a good point: both Obama and Clinton deserve the same treatment. Their positions are half-assed compromises of queer rights in the face of homophobic bigotry. It may be politically convenient, for fear of rousing the Fundie Gay-Bashing Beast conventional wisdom credits for John Kerry&#8217;s defeat in 2004; but it is no less worthy of being challenged.</p>
<p>I think Ellen didn&#8217;t challenge Obama and Clinton when they appeared on her show is because of simple timing. Had they appeared after the California supreme court&#8217;s ruling, she may have had it more in the forefront of her mind and thus more ready to question them more aggressively. By the same token, had McCain appeared much earlier in the primary season, he could have avoided this embarrassment. But I&#8217;m glad his sense of timing is so off.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFeministTexican</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFeministTexican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AtheistVegGirl, you&#039;ve got to be kidding me.  McCain&#039;s record on reproductive rights alone is enough to send chills through my body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AtheistVegGirl, you&#8217;ve got to be kidding me.  McCain&#8217;s record on reproductive rights alone is enough to send chills through my body.</p>
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		<title>By: AudenC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AudenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 07:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how much John McCain charms people, because despite his &#039;straight talk,&#039; he tows the Republican line to a degree that should frighten the so-called &#039;independents&#039; who might &#039;swing&#039; to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how much John McCain charms people, because despite his &#8216;straight talk,&#8217; he tows the Republican line to a degree that should frighten the so-called &#8216;independents&#8217; who might &#8216;swing&#8217; to him.</p>
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		<title>By: AtheistVegGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AtheistVegGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing by all of the above statements of McCain&#039;s supposed discomfort were posted by people who&#039;ve never seen him before?  He showed absolutely NO more discomfort than he does when he&#039;s anywhere else... wishful thinking on behalf of the above posters, I fear.  He wasn&#039;t &#039;crapping his pants&#039; on the Ellen&#039;s show, he was putting up with being interviewed yet again.
Sadly, John McCain is the lesser of all evils in this election.  He&#039;s the most moderate of the current contenders, and the last thing this country needs is more elected officials to the right &lt;strong&gt;OR &lt;/strong&gt;left of center.
I agree he&#039;s centrist enough not to care one way or the other about gay marriage -- so I have to judge him on his record.  Clinton&#039;s record kills any chance of her being a decent Prez; Obama&#039;s record likely will show great things &lt;em&gt;in the future&lt;/em&gt; but for now he&#039;s a freshman.
I&#039;m absolutely thrilled that he appeared on Ellen&#039;s show.  After watching this set of Presidential hopefuls, he&#039;s the only one showing a glimmer of good for the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing by all of the above statements of McCain&#8217;s supposed discomfort were posted by people who&#8217;ve never seen him before?  He showed absolutely NO more discomfort than he does when he&#8217;s anywhere else&#8230; wishful thinking on behalf of the above posters, I fear.  He wasn&#8217;t &#8216;crapping his pants&#8217; on the Ellen&#8217;s show, he was putting up with being interviewed yet again.<br />
Sadly, John McCain is the lesser of all evils in this election.  He&#8217;s the most moderate of the current contenders, and the last thing this country needs is more elected officials to the right <strong>OR </strong>left of center.<br />
I agree he&#8217;s centrist enough not to care one way or the other about gay marriage &#8212; so I have to judge him on his record.  Clinton&#8217;s record kills any chance of her being a decent Prez; Obama&#8217;s record likely will show great things <em>in the future</em> but for now he&#8217;s a freshman.<br />
I&#8217;m absolutely thrilled that he appeared on Ellen&#8217;s show.  After watching this set of Presidential hopefuls, he&#8217;s the only one showing a glimmer of good for the US.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raving Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raving Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why McCain is being singled out here.  The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why McCain is being singled out here.  The clips I provided above (comment #5) of Hillary Clinton on Ellen and Obama speaking on the topic show that their positions are indistinguishable from McCain&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that it&#039;s comedians like Ellen and Jon Stewart who are willing to ask the tough questions of McCain and the &quot;real&quot; journalists keep throwing softballs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that it&#8217;s comedians like Ellen and Jon Stewart who are willing to ask the tough questions of McCain and the &#8220;real&#8221; journalists keep throwing softballs.</p>
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