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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Well, I was being honest when I said that I needed to find the time to read it -- I&#039;m a slower reader than I wish I was, and reading the full series took me about an hour and a half.  And I don&#039;t want to throw up a link without being certain about what exactly I&#039;m throwing up.  After I did read it, I definitely thought that it was important enough that it deserved something a bit more than a simple link . . . and then it took me a couple days to put together links and such between my other work :)

But I&#039;m not really big on just throwing up links (though if I was, damn would I be more productive).  Mostly, I just can&#039;t shut up, and often end up saying way more than I originally intended.  Like with this comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Well, I was being honest when I said that I needed to find the time to read it &#8212; I&#8217;m a slower reader than I wish I was, and reading the full series took me about an hour and a half.  And I don&#8217;t want to throw up a link without being certain about what exactly I&#8217;m throwing up.  After I did read it, I definitely thought that it was important enough that it deserved something a bit more than a simple link . . . and then it took me a couple days to put together links and such between my other work :)</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not really big on just throwing up links (though if I was, damn would I be more productive).  Mostly, I just can&#8217;t shut up, and often end up saying way more than I originally intended.  Like with this comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooooly gamole, Cara, you weren&#039;t kidding--you weren&#039;t kidding about that taking a while!

I was thinking, &quot;Why not just throw up a link to the article?&quot;

Because, you know, I see that a lot on this site.

But I forgot that just because I see something a lot on this site doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;ve ever seen it from any one blogger on this site.

Now I see that you&#039;re like me.  :-)  You quote and format and such.

Gotcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooooly gamole, Cara, you weren&#8217;t kidding&#8211;you weren&#8217;t kidding about that taking a while!</p>
<p>I was thinking, &#8220;Why not just throw up a link to the article?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because, you know, I see that a lot on this site.</p>
<p>But I forgot that just because I see something a lot on this site doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;ve ever seen it from any one blogger on this site.</p>
<p>Now I see that you&#8217;re like me.  :-)  You quote and format and such.</p>
<p>Gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juju: Unfortunately, in this context, we can only document pre-existing conditions. I generally make a note of conditions that are being neglected in the detention centers as well, just in case it might be useful later, but realistically, the only thing we can help with is documenting that the asylum seeker is not making up their claims of abuse in their home countries. Only employees of the ICE (or rather their private sub-contractors) are authorized to actually treat the detainees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juju: Unfortunately, in this context, we can only document pre-existing conditions. I generally make a note of conditions that are being neglected in the detention centers as well, just in case it might be useful later, but realistically, the only thing we can help with is documenting that the asylum seeker is not making up their claims of abuse in their home countries. Only employees of the ICE (or rather their private sub-contractors) are authorized to actually treat the detainees.</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
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		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it’s so difficult for me to imagine any political will gathering around this issue, because so many Americans consider the lives of immigrants, especially undocumented ones, to be completely disposable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not only no political will...but a great deal of antipathy towards anything seen as helping immigrants as they do not want to encourage the dangers of &quot;excessive immigration&quot; and the drain they will pose on jobs, social services, and the very &quot;American way of life&quot;.*  

In the eyes of most &quot;native Americans&quot;, immigration and immigrants are easy scapegoats for a wide variety of our social and economic problems since at least the 1790s....forgetting the fact we were all immigrants to the US.  

* Total BS.  If anything, most immigrants and their children tended to be far more hardworking and resourceful contributors to US society than many of the native-born American counterparts....especially those at the higher end of the socio-economic ladder.  In fact, a substantial chunk of American scientific, technological, and social progress from the early 20th century onwards would not have been possible without the substantial contributions of immigrants from all over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it’s so difficult for me to imagine any political will gathering around this issue, because so many Americans consider the lives of immigrants, especially undocumented ones, to be completely disposable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not only no political will&#8230;but a great deal of antipathy towards anything seen as helping immigrants as they do not want to encourage the dangers of &#8220;excessive immigration&#8221; and the drain they will pose on jobs, social services, and the very &#8220;American way of life&#8221;.*  </p>
<p>In the eyes of most &#8220;native Americans&#8221;, immigration and immigrants are easy scapegoats for a wide variety of our social and economic problems since at least the 1790s&#8230;.forgetting the fact we were all immigrants to the US.  </p>
<p>* Total BS.  If anything, most immigrants and their children tended to be far more hardworking and resourceful contributors to US society than many of the native-born American counterparts&#8230;.especially those at the higher end of the socio-economic ladder.  In fact, a substantial chunk of American scientific, technological, and social progress from the early 20th century onwards would not have been possible without the substantial contributions of immigrants from all over the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Tramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting aside for a moment the overarching issues of immigration policy and how the system needs to change, it&#039;s clear that the system we &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; is criminally underresourced.  And it&#039;s so difficult for me to imagine any political will gathering around this issue, because so many Americans consider the lives of immigrants, especially undocumented ones, to be completely disposable.  Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting aside for a moment the overarching issues of immigration policy and how the system needs to change, it&#8217;s clear that the system we <i>have</i> is criminally underresourced.  And it&#8217;s so difficult for me to imagine any political will gathering around this issue, because so many Americans consider the lives of immigrants, especially undocumented ones, to be completely disposable.  Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately when 30,000+ aliens are processed annually accidents/neglect will happen as there are bad seeds in ICE just as there are bad seeds in the public school system, the medical industry and law enforcement in general.  As an IEA (Immigration Enforcement Agent) I am proud of the work my field office does.  We treat detainees with respect and provide them with the resources necessary to make their transition back to their home country as smooth as possible.  Strip-searching is only done when an agent reasonably believes an alien may be concealing contraband or weapons.  

While many aliens who get picked up are decent folk (admittedly making my job difficult) we do deal with a great number of aggravated felons and repeat offenders that I am happy to deport.  Regardless of the crime, all of our detainees get access to phones and a direct connection to their native consulate.  We do our best to ensure a translator is available if one of our agents can’t speak their language.  Families are kept together and men are separated from women.  No one under the age of 14 is fingerprinted or photographed.  Free legal resources are provided to each alien regardless of income.  Visiting hours from friends and family are generous.     

As to the above listed concerns, it is rare for a detainee to be held longer than a week.  Never indifferently unless serving in a state or federal prison for criminal conviction not related to immigration.  Sometimes trials last longer than expected due to complicated issues, but that is the nature of the judicial system.  Holding facilities are not explicitly advertised for security reasons but every detention center is listed at the ICE homepage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately when 30,000+ aliens are processed annually accidents/neglect will happen as there are bad seeds in ICE just as there are bad seeds in the public school system, the medical industry and law enforcement in general.  As an IEA (Immigration Enforcement Agent) I am proud of the work my field office does.  We treat detainees with respect and provide them with the resources necessary to make their transition back to their home country as smooth as possible.  Strip-searching is only done when an agent reasonably believes an alien may be concealing contraband or weapons.  </p>
<p>While many aliens who get picked up are decent folk (admittedly making my job difficult) we do deal with a great number of aggravated felons and repeat offenders that I am happy to deport.  Regardless of the crime, all of our detainees get access to phones and a direct connection to their native consulate.  We do our best to ensure a translator is available if one of our agents can’t speak their language.  Families are kept together and men are separated from women.  No one under the age of 14 is fingerprinted or photographed.  Free legal resources are provided to each alien regardless of income.  Visiting hours from friends and family are generous.     </p>
<p>As to the above listed concerns, it is rare for a detainee to be held longer than a week.  Never indifferently unless serving in a state or federal prison for criminal conviction not related to immigration.  Sometimes trials last longer than expected due to complicated issues, but that is the nature of the judicial system.  Holding facilities are not explicitly advertised for security reasons but every detention center is listed at the ICE homepage.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ACLU is certainly doing some work but I didn&#039;t see any particular action alerts.  I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://action.aclu.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AP_alerts_immigrant_rts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this ACLU page,&lt;/a&gt; with generalized advice (write a LTE, meet with elected officials, start a letter-writing campaign), is probably best.

It looks like there&#039;s not an existing letter-writing campaign about this.  I&#039;m trying to identify who the most useful recipients of such a campaign would be.  People with the power to do something about it, obviously.  I don&#039;t know if Chertoff or Myers themselves would be a good choice, since clearly they are the problem here.  Probably members of the House Judiciary Committee.  Is there a particular Senate committee that was doing the questioning (and might call them back on the carpet at any point)?

And second Dianne -- if you have needed skills, volunteer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ACLU is certainly doing some work but I didn&#8217;t see any particular action alerts.  I think <a href="http://action.aclu.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AP_alerts_immigrant_rts" rel="nofollow">this ACLU page,</a> with generalized advice (write a LTE, meet with elected officials, start a letter-writing campaign), is probably best.</p>
<p>It looks like there&#8217;s not an existing letter-writing campaign about this.  I&#8217;m trying to identify who the most useful recipients of such a campaign would be.  People with the power to do something about it, obviously.  I don&#8217;t know if Chertoff or Myers themselves would be a good choice, since clearly they are the problem here.  Probably members of the House Judiciary Committee.  Is there a particular Senate committee that was doing the questioning (and might call them back on the carpet at any point)?</p>
<p>And second Dianne &#8212; if you have needed skills, volunteer.</p>
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		<title>By: juju</title>
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		<dc:creator>juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dianne

Thanks for sharing your experiences.  Are PHR volunteers authorized to provide health care services, or are you only able to document preexisting conditions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dianne</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your experiences.  Are PHR volunteers authorized to provide health care services, or are you only able to document preexisting conditions?</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I volunteer with PHR, a group that helps people who are seeking asylum document physical and psychological sequelae of abuse they received in their home countries. I have occasionally gone to ICE holding centers to do the exams. This is anecdote, of course, but there are a few things about these places that I can&#039;t get out of my mind:

1. Both locations I&#039;ve been to have been basically warehouses in blocks of warehouses. They are not clearly marked as ICE facilities or even as having people inside them.  They look like large, windowless warehouses, just like all the others. This frightens me on several levels. First, there are people living in these places for years, often with no access to sunlight or the outdoors at all. Second, simply that if I did not know what they were, I would pass them by thinking them at all or realizing what was going on there. So who knows what else is going on? There could be overt death camps in the suburbs for all I know. Maybe there are. (Then on the personal level, I never go into one of these places without a slight fear that they&#039;ll never let me out again. If they declared that I was a traitor for talking to the inmates and refused to let me out, what could I do? Cowardly of me to worry about that, I know, but I can&#039;t get the fear to go away either.)

2. I&#039;ve interviewed only a small number of detainees (most asylum seekers are &quot;paroled&quot; and live in the community), but of those I have seen, all, without exception, have had neglected medical problems ranging from a minor yeast infection (in a woman with FGM...maybe not so minor) to obvious major depression and probable hypothyroidism. I&#039;ve alerted everyone I could think of to the problems, but from the lack of surprise or even response, I doubt that I told anyone anything they didn&#039;t already know. Or would act on.

3. The guards at the detention centers tend to be either jerks with or without sadistic tendencies or decent people who look scared and overwhelmed at what&#039;s going on. I worry that the employees are going to get PTSD from being stuck with so much suffering but rarely having the authority or ability to do anything about it. 

Just my little rant to add to the bigger picture. 

As far as things to do about it, if anyone out there is in health care or law, PHR and similar organizations always need volunteers. All the people I&#039;ve examined have eventually gotten out and most have been granted asylum. It&#039;s not a system changing thing to do and therefore obviously isn&#039;t adequate, but it&#039;s something that one can do to help at least a few individuals immediately while trying to solve the overall problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteer with PHR, a group that helps people who are seeking asylum document physical and psychological sequelae of abuse they received in their home countries. I have occasionally gone to ICE holding centers to do the exams. This is anecdote, of course, but there are a few things about these places that I can&#8217;t get out of my mind:</p>
<p>1. Both locations I&#8217;ve been to have been basically warehouses in blocks of warehouses. They are not clearly marked as ICE facilities or even as having people inside them.  They look like large, windowless warehouses, just like all the others. This frightens me on several levels. First, there are people living in these places for years, often with no access to sunlight or the outdoors at all. Second, simply that if I did not know what they were, I would pass them by thinking them at all or realizing what was going on there. So who knows what else is going on? There could be overt death camps in the suburbs for all I know. Maybe there are. (Then on the personal level, I never go into one of these places without a slight fear that they&#8217;ll never let me out again. If they declared that I was a traitor for talking to the inmates and refused to let me out, what could I do? Cowardly of me to worry about that, I know, but I can&#8217;t get the fear to go away either.)</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;ve interviewed only a small number of detainees (most asylum seekers are &#8220;paroled&#8221; and live in the community), but of those I have seen, all, without exception, have had neglected medical problems ranging from a minor yeast infection (in a woman with FGM&#8230;maybe not so minor) to obvious major depression and probable hypothyroidism. I&#8217;ve alerted everyone I could think of to the problems, but from the lack of surprise or even response, I doubt that I told anyone anything they didn&#8217;t already know. Or would act on.</p>
<p>3. The guards at the detention centers tend to be either jerks with or without sadistic tendencies or decent people who look scared and overwhelmed at what&#8217;s going on. I worry that the employees are going to get PTSD from being stuck with so much suffering but rarely having the authority or ability to do anything about it. </p>
<p>Just my little rant to add to the bigger picture. </p>
<p>As far as things to do about it, if anyone out there is in health care or law, PHR and similar organizations always need volunteers. All the people I&#8217;ve examined have eventually gotten out and most have been granted asylum. It&#8217;s not a system changing thing to do and therefore obviously isn&#8217;t adequate, but it&#8217;s something that one can do to help at least a few individuals immediately while trying to solve the overall problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/detention/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The ACLU seems to be doing some work on it.&lt;/a&gt;  A few quick google searches didn&#039;t pull up anything from AI, though -- just stuff about Guantanamo, which is a somewhat related but pretty separate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/detention/" rel="nofollow">The ACLU seems to be doing some work on it.</a>  A few quick google searches didn&#8217;t pull up anything from AI, though &#8212; just stuff about Guantanamo, which is a somewhat related but pretty separate issue.</p>
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