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	<title>Comments on: Webb for VP? NO.</title>
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		<title>By: Alara Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178843</link>
		<dc:creator>Alara Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Al Gore for VP? :-)</description>
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		<title>By: More Against Webb as VP &#171; The Creature Politic</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178819</link>
		<dc:creator>More Against Webb as VP &#171; The Creature Politic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2, 2008 &#183; No Comments  I missed this on Saturday, but Jill at Feministe has a post up pointing out many of the issues with Jim Webb as a VP choice, especially his atrocious record on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2, 2008 &middot; No Comments  I missed this on Saturday, but Jill at Feministe has a post up pointing out many of the issues with Jim Webb as a VP choice, especially his atrocious record on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stone-Tharp</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178818</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stone-Tharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Webb would be a terrible VP choice for all the reasons here. He&#039;s basically a pro-military reactionary with incredibly  bad (and/or opportunistic) attitudes towards women and sexual issues. Let&#039;s face it; the main reason he&#039;s a Democrat right now is that he needed to run as one to get into the Senate and because he thinks the Iraq war is stupid. But that&#039;s it really.

I actually wrote two long blog post about this late last week:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://stonetharp.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/the-progressive-case-against-jim-webb-as-vp/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
here&lt;/a&gt;
and
&lt;a href=&quot;http://stonetharp.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/the-strategic-case-against-jim-webb-as-vp/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;

Is there really any grassroots support for Webb at all? It seems like all the drooling over/speculating about him as VP comes from the media. Do we have any evidence that the push for him as VP is anything more that another bit of wheezing from the Chris Matthews of the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Webb would be a terrible VP choice for all the reasons here. He&#8217;s basically a pro-military reactionary with incredibly  bad (and/or opportunistic) attitudes towards women and sexual issues. Let&#8217;s face it; the main reason he&#8217;s a Democrat right now is that he needed to run as one to get into the Senate and because he thinks the Iraq war is stupid. But that&#8217;s it really.</p>
<p>I actually wrote two long blog post about this late last week:<br />
<a href="http://stonetharp.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/the-progressive-case-against-jim-webb-as-vp/" rel="nofollow"><br />
here</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://stonetharp.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/the-strategic-case-against-jim-webb-as-vp/" rel="nofollow">here </a></p>
<p>Is there really any grassroots support for Webb at all? It seems like all the drooling over/speculating about him as VP comes from the media. Do we have any evidence that the push for him as VP is anything more that another bit of wheezing from the Chris Matthews of the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Does Webb undermine Obama&#8217;s message of change? &#171; The United States of Jamerica</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178677</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Webb undermine Obama&#8217;s message of change? &#171; The United States of Jamerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  democrats , politics , sexism , virginia , women Tags: barack obama, jim webb, vice president      Jill is right to say that Jim Webb&#8217;s record on women* (he opposed integration of women into the military) and his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  democrats , politics , sexism , virginia , women Tags: barack obama, jim webb, vice president      Jill is right to say that Jim Webb&#8217;s record on women* (he opposed integration of women into the military) and his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178648</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I&#039;ve been getting really annoyed with how some self-styled progressives swoon over this asshole. He can&#039;t say 10 words without mentioning his military experiences. Yeah, yeah, you&#039;re proud to have served, we get it. Now get over yourself already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I&#8217;ve been getting really annoyed with how some self-styled progressives swoon over this asshole. He can&#8217;t say 10 words without mentioning his military experiences. Yeah, yeah, you&#8217;re proud to have served, we get it. Now get over yourself already.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178634</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire reason anyone is so enamored with Webb is that he embodies masculinity. Maybe it&#039;s just me, but I don&#039;t see that as an entirely enlightened attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire reason anyone is so enamored with Webb is that he embodies masculinity. Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but I don&#8217;t see that as an entirely enlightened attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: catfood</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178566</link>
		<dc:creator>catfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the advantage in adding a guy with a misogynistic record to the ticket when the party is already divided over perceptions of sexism.

And personally, as someone who made a hell of a lot of GOTV phone calls to Virginia in 2006, Webb&#039;s support of the resolution censuring MoveOn really ticked me off. It was a close election and he couldn&#039;t have won without us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the advantage in adding a guy with a misogynistic record to the ticket when the party is already divided over perceptions of sexism.</p>
<p>And personally, as someone who made a hell of a lot of GOTV phone calls to Virginia in 2006, Webb&#8217;s support of the resolution censuring MoveOn really ticked me off. It was a close election and he couldn&#8217;t have won without us.</p>
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		<title>By: evil fizz</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178545</link>
		<dc:creator>evil fizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/magazine/01wwln-Q4-t.html?ref=magazine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Webb is the interviewee&lt;/a&gt; in the NYT Magazine&#039;s little &quot;Questions for...&quot; piece this week.  I tend not to be a fan of the column in general, but this one seem particularly stilted and painful.  
For someone who&#039;s allegedly a good writer, Webb&#039;s definitely not much of a speaker.  Even with all the editing, he seems decidedly awkward and ill at ease.

Even aside from women&#039;s issues, he seems like a loose cannon.  Q: Do you have a gun on you now? A: You don’t know how safe you really are.

That feels kinda creepy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/magazine/01wwln-Q4-t.html?ref=magazine" rel="nofollow">Webb is the interviewee</a> in the NYT Magazine&#8217;s little &#8220;Questions for&#8230;&#8221; piece this week.  I tend not to be a fan of the column in general, but this one seem particularly stilted and painful.<br />
For someone who&#8217;s allegedly a good writer, Webb&#8217;s definitely not much of a speaker.  Even with all the editing, he seems decidedly awkward and ill at ease.</p>
<p>Even aside from women&#8217;s issues, he seems like a loose cannon.  Q: Do you have a gun on you now? A: You don’t know how safe you really are.</p>
<p>That feels kinda creepy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked him because he was balls to the wall against the Iraq War, and got up in Bush&#039;s face about it...unlike so many other mealy mouthed democrats. 

But, I didn&#039;t really know this about him.   This isn&#039;t cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked him because he was balls to the wall against the Iraq War, and got up in Bush&#8217;s face about it&#8230;unlike so many other mealy mouthed democrats. </p>
<p>But, I didn&#8217;t really know this about him.   This isn&#8217;t cool.</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/05/31/webb-for-vp-no/#comment-178501</link>
		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you absolutely must have a war veteran with miltiary cred, then pick the other (and, on the whole, better) Kerrey — the former Nebraska senator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So we replace a loose cannon ex-republican with someone who has admitted being responsible for war crimes??  Granted Kerrey did express some guilt and anguish....but putting him as a Democratic VP will give the GOP the opening to highlight the hypocritical inconsistency of Democratic progressive rhetoric with having a VP who participated and admitted responsibility for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerrey#Thanh_Phong_Massacre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thanh Phong Massacre&lt;/a&gt; along with turning off some progressives who care about human rights.  Whoever is the Democratic nominee does not need any association with this baggage.  

Moreover, I think the perception that the democrats need a Southern white dude...preferably with military experience is playing right into the hands of the GOP.  Didn&#039;t John Kerry&#039;s 2004 campaign prove how futile this is?  Democrats should not help the GOP by playing by their scripted handbook and framing of what a &quot;proper candidate&quot; should be.  

As for Richardson, I have issues with the way he handled the Yellow-Periled tinged Wen Ho Lee case.  

The democratic party has many other qualified viable VP candidates who do not have the levels of baggage Webb, Kerrey, and Richardson have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you absolutely must have a war veteran with miltiary cred, then pick the other (and, on the whole, better) Kerrey — the former Nebraska senator.</p></blockquote>
<p>So we replace a loose cannon ex-republican with someone who has admitted being responsible for war crimes??  Granted Kerrey did express some guilt and anguish&#8230;.but putting him as a Democratic VP will give the GOP the opening to highlight the hypocritical inconsistency of Democratic progressive rhetoric with having a VP who participated and admitted responsibility for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerrey#Thanh_Phong_Massacre" rel="nofollow">Thanh Phong Massacre</a> along with turning off some progressives who care about human rights.  Whoever is the Democratic nominee does not need any association with this baggage.  </p>
<p>Moreover, I think the perception that the democrats need a Southern white dude&#8230;preferably with military experience is playing right into the hands of the GOP.  Didn&#8217;t John Kerry&#8217;s 2004 campaign prove how futile this is?  Democrats should not help the GOP by playing by their scripted handbook and framing of what a &#8220;proper candidate&#8221; should be.  </p>
<p>As for Richardson, I have issues with the way he handled the Yellow-Periled tinged Wen Ho Lee case.  </p>
<p>The democratic party has many other qualified viable VP candidates who do not have the levels of baggage Webb, Kerrey, and Richardson have.</p>
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