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		<title>By: Daughter of the Ring of Fire &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Is Liberation?</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179880</link>
		<dc:creator>Daughter of the Ring of Fire &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Is Liberation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] amount of the suffering, as is typical of war zones. An especially horrific case is that of Leila Hussein. This brave woman left her husband after he and her sons murdered her daughter for talking [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] amount of the suffering, as is typical of war zones. An especially horrific case is that of Leila Hussein. This brave woman left her husband after he and her sons murdered her daughter for talking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: juju</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179271</link>
		<dc:creator>juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction.

Many women accept Catholicism by choice and conviction. Doesn’t make it any less misogynistic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@Farhat
Good point.  I think some Western progressives may be more comfortable recognizing the sexism in the different branches of Christianity because they know it from personal experience, either from being raised within the religion, or from the larger Christian-influenced society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction.</p>
<p>Many women accept Catholicism by choice and conviction. Doesn’t make it any less misogynistic.</p></blockquote>
<p>@Farhat<br />
Good point.  I think some Western progressives may be more comfortable recognizing the sexism in the different branches of Christianity because they know it from personal experience, either from being raised within the religion, or from the larger Christian-influenced society.</p>
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		<title>By: juju</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179268</link>
		<dc:creator>juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Natalia
&lt;blockquote&gt;This isn’t to say that anyone has the moral authority to “fix” a Muslim society from the outside in. But what we do have is the moral responsibility to stand in solidarity with people like Leila Hussein - who died a hero’s death, as far as I’m concerned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hear, hear!

That said, I do not believe that those who shy away from a wholesale condemnation of the big three major religions (Islam in this case) are apologists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Natalia</p>
<blockquote><p>This isn’t to say that anyone has the moral authority to “fix” a Muslim society from the outside in. But what we do have is the moral responsibility to stand in solidarity with people like Leila Hussein &#8211; who died a hero’s death, as far as I’m concerned.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hear, hear!</p>
<p>That said, I do not believe that those who shy away from a wholesale condemnation of the big three major religions (Islam in this case) are apologists.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhat</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179265</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction.&lt;/i&gt;

Many women accept Catholicism by choice and conviction. Doesn&#039;t make it any less misogynistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction.</i></p>
<p>Many women accept Catholicism by choice and conviction. Doesn&#8217;t make it any less misogynistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179262</link>
		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Who is “they”? Muslims? Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors. Jews have assassinated people. But we recognize that the people who do those things are extremists, and not representative of the entire group. Why are we holding all Muslims accountable for the actions of a few?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree especially since the United States way of doing so as it calls it has included blowing people&#039;s homes and invading and occupying their countries. Liberating women by killing them or starving them and their children through embargos. 

I don&#039;t think Islam is the problem anymore than any other religion, it&#039;s how it&#039;s used by some of its practioners. After all, many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction. Is this then a problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who is “they”? Muslims? Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors. Jews have assassinated people. But we recognize that the people who do those things are extremists, and not representative of the entire group. Why are we holding all Muslims accountable for the actions of a few?</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree especially since the United States way of doing so as it calls it has included blowing people&#8217;s homes and invading and occupying their countries. Liberating women by killing them or starving them and their children through embargos. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Islam is the problem anymore than any other religion, it&#8217;s how it&#8217;s used by some of its practioners. After all, many women embrace Islam by choice and conviction. Is this then a problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Leda</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179253</link>
		<dc:creator>Leda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to add except my fervent hope that the brutal, ignorant monster responsible for the deaths of his daughter and, by extension, his wife, is savagely beaten and kicked to death in this life and has his worthless stinking guts pulled out with a red hot corkscrew for all eternity in the next.

As for Syed?  Go and f-ck yourself, darling.  Long and hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to add except my fervent hope that the brutal, ignorant monster responsible for the deaths of his daughter and, by extension, his wife, is savagely beaten and kicked to death in this life and has his worthless stinking guts pulled out with a red hot corkscrew for all eternity in the next.</p>
<p>As for Syed?  Go and f-ck yourself, darling.  Long and hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179185</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If this guy is saying he murdered his daughter because she was unIslamic, then perhaps we should take him at his word.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not going to take some idiot at his word, and I don&#039;t recommend that you do this either. It&#039;s like telling Zawahiri - &quot;oh, the &lt;strong&gt;correct&lt;/strong&gt; version of your religion is actually a death-cult that aims to bring destruction to the entire Middle East, erase all human rights, and turn millions of people into slaves? Right-o! Thanks for setting me straight, friend!&quot;

The people who stand to lose the most here are Muslims. Extremists might make a big show of going after &quot;the infidel&quot; and calling all non-Muslim women &quot;ho&#039;s,&quot; but it&#039;s the Muslims that will bear the brunt of their violence and stupidity. 

They will police the sister for smiling in public, the brother for listening to a pop record. They are the ones telling grandmothers that they are spreading sin if they get up and go to work, instead of staying at home, behind a stone wall. They are the ones who think it&#039;s God&#039;s will that women develop osteoporosis for hardly ever leaving the house, not getting enough vitamin D, and hey, getting depressed enough to kill themselves because they have no lives and cannot &lt;em&gt;exist&lt;/em&gt; unless such an existence is done vicariously, through the lives of their male relatives. 

So when we say, &quot;oh it&#039;s just their funny little religion, too bad, too sad,&quot; we are betraying them. 

This isn&#039;t to say that anyone has the moral authority to &quot;fix&quot; a Muslim society from the outside in. But what we do have is the moral responsibility to stand in solidarity with people like Leila Hussein - who died a hero&#039;s death, as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If this guy is saying he murdered his daughter because she was unIslamic, then perhaps we should take him at his word.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not going to take some idiot at his word, and I don&#8217;t recommend that you do this either. It&#8217;s like telling Zawahiri &#8211; &#8220;oh, the <strong>correct</strong> version of your religion is actually a death-cult that aims to bring destruction to the entire Middle East, erase all human rights, and turn millions of people into slaves? Right-o! Thanks for setting me straight, friend!&#8221;</p>
<p>The people who stand to lose the most here are Muslims. Extremists might make a big show of going after &#8220;the infidel&#8221; and calling all non-Muslim women &#8220;ho&#8217;s,&#8221; but it&#8217;s the Muslims that will bear the brunt of their violence and stupidity. </p>
<p>They will police the sister for smiling in public, the brother for listening to a pop record. They are the ones telling grandmothers that they are spreading sin if they get up and go to work, instead of staying at home, behind a stone wall. They are the ones who think it&#8217;s God&#8217;s will that women develop osteoporosis for hardly ever leaving the house, not getting enough vitamin D, and hey, getting depressed enough to kill themselves because they have no lives and cannot <em>exist</em> unless such an existence is done vicariously, through the lives of their male relatives. </p>
<p>So when we say, &#8220;oh it&#8217;s just their funny little religion, too bad, too sad,&#8221; we are betraying them. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that anyone has the moral authority to &#8220;fix&#8221; a Muslim society from the outside in. But what we do have is the moral responsibility to stand in solidarity with people like Leila Hussein &#8211; who died a hero&#8217;s death, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: prairielily</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/02/leila-hussein-is-dead/#comment-179161</link>
		<dc:creator>prairielily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer-Ruth, thank you for the compliment! I&#039;ve been feeling really scattered lately and like nothing I write makes sense, so I really appreciated it. Personally, I think that Morningstar&#039;s comments have been very insightful and knowledgeable. I even learned a few things, and it gives me hope that people like us are gaining in strength and numbers, and that people like Syed are being seen as increasingly irrelevant. I don&#039;t think this is something that can be changed through force... it has to be a true cultural shift to a more feminist, egalitarian society where &quot;control murders&quot; (thank you englishwoman!) are seen as the sickening and inhumane travesties that they are. (Feminism and equality seem like the answer to all life&#039;s problems, don&#039;t they?) 

I only wish the comments could have been made under different circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer-Ruth, thank you for the compliment! I&#8217;ve been feeling really scattered lately and like nothing I write makes sense, so I really appreciated it. Personally, I think that Morningstar&#8217;s comments have been very insightful and knowledgeable. I even learned a few things, and it gives me hope that people like us are gaining in strength and numbers, and that people like Syed are being seen as increasingly irrelevant. I don&#8217;t think this is something that can be changed through force&#8230; it has to be a true cultural shift to a more feminist, egalitarian society where &#8220;control murders&#8221; (thank you englishwoman!) are seen as the sickening and inhumane travesties that they are. (Feminism and equality seem like the answer to all life&#8217;s problems, don&#8217;t they?) </p>
<p>I only wish the comments could have been made under different circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: englishwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>englishwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalia - some (e.g. family liaison officers) here in the UK have suggested that the term for this be changed to &#039;control murders&#039;.  I think that it encapsulates it well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalia &#8211; some (e.g. family liaison officers) here in the UK have suggested that the term for this be changed to &#8216;control murders&#8217;.  I think that it encapsulates it well.</p>
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		<title>By: Morningstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morningstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, that&#039;s why the ayatollah is in iran and doesn&#039;t speak for muslims outside of iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, that&#8217;s why the ayatollah is in iran and doesn&#8217;t speak for muslims outside of iran.</p>
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