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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Oh! Thank god! I&#8217;m not like you crazy&#8221; &#171; Taking Up Too Much Space</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-203903</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Oh! Thank god! I&#8217;m not like you crazy&#8221; &#171; Taking Up Too Much Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] backing down from *never* using crazy. But it&#8217;s not just a PC overreach and yes, it does matter, and yes, we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Words and Able-ism &#171; Feminist Philosophers</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-194898</link>
		<dc:creator>Words and Able-ism &#171; Feminist Philosophers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 5, 2008 Filed under: bias, disability, language &#8212; Jender @ 3:07 pm    A post on Feministe led me (via Takenji) to this very informative post arguing that certain terms commonly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] August 5, 2008 Filed under: bias, disability, language &#8212; Jender @ 3:07 pm    A post on Feministe led me (via Takenji) to this very informative post arguing that certain terms commonly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » Crazytime!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-183605</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » Crazytime!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was reading Jill&#8217;s post on whether or not words like &#8220;crazy&#8221; constitute ableist language. I find the usage of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: whatsername</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-183293</link>
		<dc:creator>whatsername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been doing the same thing since reading that post, Jill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been doing the same thing since reading that post, Jill.</p>
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		<title>By: scamps</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-183274</link>
		<dc:creator>scamps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As someone with a mental illness, this is so stupid it makes me wanna weep blood. If you’re so weak that you crumble into a bundle of neurotic offense at a reminder that you’re crazy, you have bigger problems than someone using certain words.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you also realize that people with mental illnesses (along with basically ALL people) are different from each other and are affected by different things. I&#039;m bipolar, agoraphobic and autistic, and yes, I DO get bothered with some of the words that are used so casually. I&#039;m just naturally a sensitive person (and I know how to deal with that), and a lot of the words remind me of the torment that I went through growing up. I hate hearing my fiance say &quot;retarded&quot; and having flashbacks about being treated as such on a daily basis as a child (when in reality I have a genius IQ but my mind is basically just trapped within itself). But I don&#039;t think that this makes me a terrible or weak person. Everyone has triggers and even just pet peeves. I&#039;m sure there is SOMETHING that people do that grates your nerves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As someone with a mental illness, this is so stupid it makes me wanna weep blood. If you’re so weak that you crumble into a bundle of neurotic offense at a reminder that you’re crazy, you have bigger problems than someone using certain words.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you also realize that people with mental illnesses (along with basically ALL people) are different from each other and are affected by different things. I&#8217;m bipolar, agoraphobic and autistic, and yes, I DO get bothered with some of the words that are used so casually. I&#8217;m just naturally a sensitive person (and I know how to deal with that), and a lot of the words remind me of the torment that I went through growing up. I hate hearing my fiance say &#8220;retarded&#8221; and having flashbacks about being treated as such on a daily basis as a child (when in reality I have a genius IQ but my mind is basically just trapped within itself). But I don&#8217;t think that this makes me a terrible or weak person. Everyone has triggers and even just pet peeves. I&#8217;m sure there is SOMETHING that people do that grates your nerves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-183070</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Beyerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the great conceptual advances of modern medicine is the realization that people with mental illnesses &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; crazy--they&#039;ve got brain disorders, or scars from emotional traumas, or learned maladaptive behavior patterns. 

Newly diagnosed people often that they feared that they were going crazy but were reassured to learn that in fact, they were experiencing symptoms of a disease. 

Modern medicine didn&#039;t disprove the existence of craziness. The world is objectively full of craziness. And there are some people who habitually display more than their share of crazy behavior--sometimes in good ways, sometimes not. 

Some of crazy behavior is caused by mental illnesses, but it&#039;s not as if the mentally ill account for the bulk of the craziness in the world. Racism causes way more craziness than mental illness, as a glance a the headlines on any given day will confirm. When I say that things are crazy at work, my assessment has nothing to do with mental illness and everything to do with frenetic activity. 

I don&#039;t see what&#039;s wrong with calling crazy things &quot;crazy.&quot; Because &quot;crazy&quot; isn&#039;t a euphemism for mental illness or a slur against people who have mental illnesses. It&#039;s a descriptor of thinking or behavior. Some of the behaviors that are associated with mental illness get criticized more (whether as crazy, or dangerous, or disgusting, or whatever) because our society has prejudices against people who are different. If you&#039;re from a disadvantaged group, you&#039;re more likely to be judged harshly for anything you do, regardless of the facts. So, women who assert themselves are apt to be unfairly labeled as &quot;hysterical,&quot; just because they are women. That doesn&#039;t mean that the designation &quot;hysterical&quot; itself is problematic in all cases. It means that prejudices can influence how we judge people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the great conceptual advances of modern medicine is the realization that people with mental illnesses <i>aren&#8217;t</i> crazy&#8211;they&#8217;ve got brain disorders, or scars from emotional traumas, or learned maladaptive behavior patterns. </p>
<p>Newly diagnosed people often that they feared that they were going crazy but were reassured to learn that in fact, they were experiencing symptoms of a disease. </p>
<p>Modern medicine didn&#8217;t disprove the existence of craziness. The world is objectively full of craziness. And there are some people who habitually display more than their share of crazy behavior&#8211;sometimes in good ways, sometimes not. </p>
<p>Some of crazy behavior is caused by mental illnesses, but it&#8217;s not as if the mentally ill account for the bulk of the craziness in the world. Racism causes way more craziness than mental illness, as a glance a the headlines on any given day will confirm. When I say that things are crazy at work, my assessment has nothing to do with mental illness and everything to do with frenetic activity. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s wrong with calling crazy things &#8220;crazy.&#8221; Because &#8220;crazy&#8221; isn&#8217;t a euphemism for mental illness or a slur against people who have mental illnesses. It&#8217;s a descriptor of thinking or behavior. Some of the behaviors that are associated with mental illness get criticized more (whether as crazy, or dangerous, or disgusting, or whatever) because our society has prejudices against people who are different. If you&#8217;re from a disadvantaged group, you&#8217;re more likely to be judged harshly for anything you do, regardless of the facts. So, women who assert themselves are apt to be unfairly labeled as &#8220;hysterical,&#8221; just because they are women. That doesn&#8217;t mean that the designation &#8220;hysterical&#8221; itself is problematic in all cases. It means that prejudices can influence how we judge people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kakalina</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-183007</link>
		<dc:creator>Kakalina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see your point, but using words such as moron, crazy, dumb, etc. doesn&#039;t bother me too much (probably because those words never applied to my abilities personally). What &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; bother me is the use of the term &quot;disability&quot; which suggests that I am unable to operate in modern society. As countless people have proven, this is incorrect. My personal preference is the term &quot;differently enabled&quot; if there must be a term. I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s any need for language like this which defines a few people as able and most as disabled. 

On a related topic, people seem to be frantic about how autism is growing more common. Autism isn&#039;t the lack thereof of a properly working brain, it&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;restructuring&lt;/em&gt; of the brain which differs from the majority. Most are able to operate in this world with comparable skill, thought many require lifelong assistance to varying degrees. But the point is that we&#039;re treating them as disabled when the truth is that they are differently enabled to react to circumstances which differ from the current norm. 

Big difference. And I&#039;m not joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see your point, but using words such as moron, crazy, dumb, etc. doesn&#8217;t bother me too much (probably because those words never applied to my abilities personally). What <em>does</em> bother me is the use of the term &#8220;disability&#8221; which suggests that I am unable to operate in modern society. As countless people have proven, this is incorrect. My personal preference is the term &#8220;differently enabled&#8221; if there must be a term. I really don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any need for language like this which defines a few people as able and most as disabled. </p>
<p>On a related topic, people seem to be frantic about how autism is growing more common. Autism isn&#8217;t the lack thereof of a properly working brain, it&#8217;s a <em>restructuring</em> of the brain which differs from the majority. Most are able to operate in this world with comparable skill, thought many require lifelong assistance to varying degrees. But the point is that we&#8217;re treating them as disabled when the truth is that they are differently enabled to react to circumstances which differ from the current norm. </p>
<p>Big difference. And I&#8217;m not joking.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-182912</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the words I actually wrote. I did not say the idea of intellectual capacity being a factor in one&#039;s life path is an ableist construct. I said that the idea of intellectual capacity being Important and Good -- I meant as in determining the worth of a person, though I can see how that might not be obvious -- is an ableist construct.

I&#039;m not going to bother with your questions at the end. Don&#039;t feel like having to explain why hatred is hateful. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the words I actually wrote. I did not say the idea of intellectual capacity being a factor in one&#8217;s life path is an ableist construct. I said that the idea of intellectual capacity being Important and Good &#8212; I meant as in determining the worth of a person, though I can see how that might not be obvious &#8212; is an ableist construct.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to bother with your questions at the end. Don&#8217;t feel like having to explain why hatred is hateful. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-182727</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the idea of intellectual capacity being important and good is an ableist construct itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? You know, abliesm is a problem, but it is naive to believe that we live in a world where everyone is equal. The fact of the matter is that, even if all of the bullshit baggage our society comes with went away, some people are simply better equipped to do some things than others. A man with no fingers or toes will never be a great pianist, a woman with no legs will never win a gold medal in the forty yard dash, and someone with an IQ of 60 (barring a language barrier or a terrible administrator) will not earn a PhD. Intellectual capacity is important and good. Would your life be the same if you didn&#039;t have the ability to appreciate great literature? What if you didn&#039;t have the capacity to concentrate long enough to think in depth about the world around you? Is there no qualitative difference between not being able to live independently and being able to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the idea of intellectual capacity being important and good is an ableist construct itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? You know, abliesm is a problem, but it is naive to believe that we live in a world where everyone is equal. The fact of the matter is that, even if all of the bullshit baggage our society comes with went away, some people are simply better equipped to do some things than others. A man with no fingers or toes will never be a great pianist, a woman with no legs will never win a gold medal in the forty yard dash, and someone with an IQ of 60 (barring a language barrier or a terrible administrator) will not earn a PhD. Intellectual capacity is important and good. Would your life be the same if you didn&#8217;t have the ability to appreciate great literature? What if you didn&#8217;t have the capacity to concentrate long enough to think in depth about the world around you? Is there no qualitative difference between not being able to live independently and being able to?</p>
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		<title>By: romham</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/18/fighting-ableist-language/#comment-182671</link>
		<dc:creator>romham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this quote from that 2nd link you gave Jill, was interesting &lt;em&gt;&quot;Just throwing this out there, but, fighting a PC battle against a ubiquitous adjective like &quot;crazy&quot; is probably a lost cause. • A trans woman was held down and beaten by two Memphis cops after she objected to being called a &quot;faggot&quot; by one of the cops. One of the cops was fired and the other was suspended.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; so this person doesnt get why words can matter so damn much, but wants people to remember how silly and PC theyre being about it all by hilighting these more important things going on, like a woman fighting back against the cops calling her a faggot? all academic wankery aside about what words are apparently ok and which ones are being blown out of proportion (is that what people really think? sheesh), doesnt this seem a bit odd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this quote from that 2nd link you gave Jill, was interesting <em>&#8220;Just throwing this out there, but, fighting a PC battle against a ubiquitous adjective like &#8220;crazy&#8221; is probably a lost cause. • A trans woman was held down and beaten by two Memphis cops after she objected to being called a &#8220;faggot&#8221; by one of the cops. One of the cops was fired and the other was suspended.&#8221;</em> so this person doesnt get why words can matter so damn much, but wants people to remember how silly and PC theyre being about it all by hilighting these more important things going on, like a woman fighting back against the cops calling her a faggot? all academic wankery aside about what words are apparently ok and which ones are being blown out of proportion (is that what people really think? sheesh), doesnt this seem a bit odd?</p>
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