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		<title>By: Siempre Contra &#187; Unde poate duce etica medicala &#8220;pro-life&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-189054</link>
		<dc:creator>Siempre Contra &#187; Unde poate duce etica medicala &#8220;pro-life&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Feministe » 11-year-old Romanian rape survivor permitted abortion</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-184472</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » 11-year-old Romanian rape survivor permitted abortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news: Despite threats from anti-choice groups, the 11-year-old Romanian girl who was raped by her uncle has been allowed to terminate the pregnancy.  In a letter to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Feministe » 11-year-old Romanian rape survivor permitted abortion</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-184473</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » 11-year-old Romanian rape survivor permitted abortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news: Despite threats from anti-choice groups, the 11-year-old Romanian girl who was raped by her uncle has been allowed to terminate the pregnancy.  In a letter to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: angrygrrrl</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-184249</link>
		<dc:creator>angrygrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fantastic news. It&#039;s nice to know there still are good people in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fantastic news. It&#8217;s nice to know there still are good people in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-184210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesurgislac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news - the girl&#039;s been flown to the UK to have an abortion where it&#039;s still legal. (She was 17 weeks pregnant when they found out: the pro-life &quot;ethicists&quot; delayed her abortion 4 weeks.)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/2198987/Romanian-rape-victim,-11,-to-have-UK-abortion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romanian rape victim, 11, to have UK abortion&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news &#8211; the girl&#8217;s been flown to the UK to have an abortion where it&#8217;s still legal. (She was 17 weeks pregnant when they found out: the pro-life &#8220;ethicists&#8221; delayed her abortion 4 weeks.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/2198987/Romanian-rape-victim,-11,-to-have-UK-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">Romanian rape victim, 11, to have UK abortion</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-183872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesurgislac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is, Diane, that you have referred to an 11-year-old girl as a woman, and referred to her need for an abortion because her uncle raped her as her wanting to escape the consequences of immoral sex. 

How old is your oldest daughter, Diane? Because if she&#039;s a &quot;post-pubescent female&quot; I don&#039;t think you ought to be allowed to take care of her: you&#039;ve repeatedly made clear you think of her as a woman, old enough to have sex and to be forced through pregnancy and childbirth.

Can someone please report this child abuser to Child Protective Services?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is, Diane, that you have referred to an 11-year-old girl as a woman, and referred to her need for an abortion because her uncle raped her as her wanting to escape the consequences of immoral sex. </p>
<p>How old is your oldest daughter, Diane? Because if she&#8217;s a &#8220;post-pubescent female&#8221; I don&#8217;t think you ought to be allowed to take care of her: you&#8217;ve repeatedly made clear you think of her as a woman, old enough to have sex and to be forced through pregnancy and childbirth.</p>
<p>Can someone please report this child abuser to Child Protective Services?</p>
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		<title>By: Bransby</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-183801</link>
		<dc:creator>Bransby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is being said is that if your choices are to compel the mom to endure pregancy and childbirth OR take the life of the unborn, you choose the former&quot;

Right, and what we&#039;re saying is that neither you, nor anyone else has any right to &quot;compel&quot; a woman to do anything with her body. That&#039;s the point Diane. The reason you think it&#039;s ok to compel a woman to do something with her body, the reason you think that you, your religion, or your government has the right to do that is because of antiquated, misplaced, patriarchal beliefs that the world would be a much better place without. 

As is amply demonstrated in your next post:
&quot;Let me make it even more simple:
females bodies are designed to give birth&quot;

NO Diane! The female body was not DESIGNED to make babies. The female body CAN make babies, that doesn&#039;t mean they HAVE to. This is such a fundamental error in logic! And once again, this kind of thinking arises from a male-dominated human history. Diane, I get this, and I&#039;m a man, how can you not understand this?? It is not a woman&#039;s purpose on earth to procreate. A woman&#039;s purpose on earth is defined by the woman herself, not by you, not by her husband, not by the government, and certainly not by some confused, contradictory, ancient texts, written by men thousands of years ago! Wake up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is being said is that if your choices are to compel the mom to endure pregancy and childbirth OR take the life of the unborn, you choose the former&#8221;</p>
<p>Right, and what we&#8217;re saying is that neither you, nor anyone else has any right to &#8220;compel&#8221; a woman to do anything with her body. That&#8217;s the point Diane. The reason you think it&#8217;s ok to compel a woman to do something with her body, the reason you think that you, your religion, or your government has the right to do that is because of antiquated, misplaced, patriarchal beliefs that the world would be a much better place without. </p>
<p>As is amply demonstrated in your next post:<br />
&#8220;Let me make it even more simple:<br />
females bodies are designed to give birth&#8221;</p>
<p>NO Diane! The female body was not DESIGNED to make babies. The female body CAN make babies, that doesn&#8217;t mean they HAVE to. This is such a fundamental error in logic! And once again, this kind of thinking arises from a male-dominated human history. Diane, I get this, and I&#8217;m a man, how can you not understand this?? It is not a woman&#8217;s purpose on earth to procreate. A woman&#8217;s purpose on earth is defined by the woman herself, not by you, not by her husband, not by the government, and certainly not by some confused, contradictory, ancient texts, written by men thousands of years ago! Wake up!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-183753</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me make it even more simple:
females bodies are designed to give birth and as such, this is a normal function of the post pubescent female body. that some die from it (small percentage in any culture when you look at the numbers) does not change this fact....the girl in this situation has not been diagnosed as being in danger of dying if she carries the baby and gives birth.
Females have been having babies and living/recovering without &#039;excellent healthcare&#039; for thousands of years and do a pretty good job of it.

The reality is that you all support for abortion at any time, unlimited and under any circumstances, don&#039;t you?? A female&#039;s right not to finish an already existing pregnancy when her life is not at stake can not possibly be more important than the destruction of the unborn life....it is human, it is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me make it even more simple:<br />
females bodies are designed to give birth and as such, this is a normal function of the post pubescent female body. that some die from it (small percentage in any culture when you look at the numbers) does not change this fact&#8230;.the girl in this situation has not been diagnosed as being in danger of dying if she carries the baby and gives birth.<br />
Females have been having babies and living/recovering without &#8216;excellent healthcare&#8217; for thousands of years and do a pretty good job of it.</p>
<p>The reality is that you all support for abortion at any time, unlimited and under any circumstances, don&#8217;t you?? A female&#8217;s right not to finish an already existing pregnancy when her life is not at stake can not possibly be more important than the destruction of the unborn life&#8230;.it is human, it is life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/06/20/pro-life-ethics/#comment-183582</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been fun hasn&#039;t it?

Re:  Fundamentalism - If I can toss in a book recommendation here:  &quot;The Family&quot; by Jeff Sharlet.  I think if more pro-choicers read this book, we&#039;d understand where the crazy forced birthers are coming from....and we might be able to stop them.

Re:  &quot;I support personal accountability.&quot;  Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner on the privilege wagon.  Diane probably also talks about &quot;boot straps&quot; and helping the poor-so-long-as-they-don&#039;t-live-in-her-zipcode.  Because we all know that every person in the WORLD or at least the US has access to the same resources that she does.  Yup...way to go Diane.  You&#039;ve just managed to prove that the only reason you&#039;re a forced birther is because you have no EMPATHY, i.e., you&#039;re a narcissist.  Try therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been fun hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Re:  Fundamentalism &#8211; If I can toss in a book recommendation here:  &#8220;The Family&#8221; by Jeff Sharlet.  I think if more pro-choicers read this book, we&#8217;d understand where the crazy forced birthers are coming from&#8230;.and we might be able to stop them.</p>
<p>Re:  &#8220;I support personal accountability.&#8221;  Ding, ding, ding&#8230;.we have a winner on the privilege wagon.  Diane probably also talks about &#8220;boot straps&#8221; and helping the poor-so-long-as-they-don&#8217;t-live-in-her-zipcode.  Because we all know that every person in the WORLD or at least the US has access to the same resources that she does.  Yup&#8230;way to go Diane.  You&#8217;ve just managed to prove that the only reason you&#8217;re a forced birther is because you have no EMPATHY, i.e., you&#8217;re a narcissist.  Try therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: Why I Am Pro-Choice: A Case Study &#171; The Creature Politic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I Am Pro-Choice: A Case Study &#171; The Creature Politic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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