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	<title>Comments on: Feministe Feedback: Good Websites for Young Geeky Girls</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Sierra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out howtoons.com, it is so cool, and shows boys and girls how to do really fun science stuff in a fun comic book style format</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out howtoons.com, it is so cool, and shows boys and girls how to do really fun science stuff in a fun comic book style format</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday Evening Link Round-Up &#124; THE HOT JOINTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday Evening Link Round-Up &#124; THE HOT JOINTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wussy Post Of The Day [...]</description>
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		<title>By: homunq</title>
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		<dc:creator>homunq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>random note to Mark: gemstones also sparkle because of their high refractive index. This means that as they move, your eye moves quickly through the little rainbows they are shooting off in every direction - the quickly changing colors are the sparkle. You need the flat, non-parallel surfaces AND the refractive index to get this effect. Diamonds and zirconium are the winners here, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>random note to Mark: gemstones also sparkle because of their high refractive index. This means that as they move, your eye moves quickly through the little rainbows they are shooting off in every direction &#8211; the quickly changing colors are the sparkle. You need the flat, non-parallel surfaces AND the refractive index to get this effect. Diamonds and zirconium are the winners here, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: rayna</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an awesome dad. Among all the above suggestions, it will be worth checking out the GeekDad blog on Wired, if you don&#039;t already.

I know I know - there are issues with the gender construction of the language in Wired and with the specifically male bent of the blog title. However, to the author&#039;s credit, I tend to find the content quite gender inclusive (and I believe his &#039;geeklets&#039; are girls and boys). Sometimes the address is male-dominated, but generally geekmoms and dads are welcome:).

The only way in which the content is gendered male is based on stereotype rather than actual experience. Science, video games and geeky stuff are typically gendered male, and you will see a definite bias in the pictures of people doing or participating in activities, like conventions or &#039;making&#039; competitions, that appear in blog entries. But I think the blog is a useful source of links to sites and stuff you daughter would enjoy. And the blog itself you might enjoy..

I grew up a sort of geeky girl and I wish my parents would have taken an active interest in exposing me to this kind of stuff. But there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an awesome dad. Among all the above suggestions, it will be worth checking out the GeekDad blog on Wired, if you don&#8217;t already.</p>
<p>I know I know &#8211; there are issues with the gender construction of the language in Wired and with the specifically male bent of the blog title. However, to the author&#8217;s credit, I tend to find the content quite gender inclusive (and I believe his &#8216;geeklets&#8217; are girls and boys). Sometimes the address is male-dominated, but generally geekmoms and dads are welcome:).</p>
<p>The only way in which the content is gendered male is based on stereotype rather than actual experience. Science, video games and geeky stuff are typically gendered male, and you will see a definite bias in the pictures of people doing or participating in activities, like conventions or &#8216;making&#8217; competitions, that appear in blog entries. But I think the blog is a useful source of links to sites and stuff you daughter would enjoy. And the blog itself you might enjoy..</p>
<p>I grew up a sort of geeky girl and I wish my parents would have taken an active interest in exposing me to this kind of stuff. But there you go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayte R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayte R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My masters project is a site aimed at preteen girls to encourage interest in math, science, and engineering. I have not even begun on it yet, just putting ideas together, but I&#039;m now more inspired after reading this post. Girls need science and science needs girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My masters project is a site aimed at preteen girls to encourage interest in math, science, and engineering. I have not even begun on it yet, just putting ideas together, but I&#8217;m now more inspired after reading this post. Girls need science and science needs girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Sus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skepchick is trying to start a website run by teens for teens.  Keep an eye out for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skepchick is trying to start a website run by teens for teens.  Keep an eye out for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

I just wanted to speak up as a female engineer (background: undergrad and masters in computer science, previously worked at Google, Microsoft and Apple).  To my knowledge, I have faced exactly one incident of direct discrimination, and I have never been told &quot;girls don&#039;t do that.&quot;  The sexism I see is really just little comments - people being surprised that I&#039;m an engineer (despite knowing that I work for Google).  I have a few more stories here if you care to read them: http://www.seattlepixel.com/2005/10/women-in-computer-science.html.  

So, I guess what I&#039;m saying is to not worry too much about the sexism your daughter will face.  Sure, I see sexism every day, but it doesn&#039;t stop me or even affect me that much.  Major direct sexism is rare, and the little things are sort of funny.  The stuff that goes on behind the scenes, well, who knows.  

My advice is to approach the all-boys websites as &quot;funny&quot; / &quot;silly&quot;, thereby teaching her to see it the same way.  In fact, if she can see the humor in it, it might even serve as a motivating factor.  If she&#039;s the only girl on these websites (and later on in her science classes), how cool / special / awesome does that make her?

- Gayle

PS: Almost 50% of math majors in the US are female.  She&#039;ll have lots of female company in math.  Science, though, is still dragging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>I just wanted to speak up as a female engineer (background: undergrad and masters in computer science, previously worked at Google, Microsoft and Apple).  To my knowledge, I have faced exactly one incident of direct discrimination, and I have never been told &#8220;girls don&#8217;t do that.&#8221;  The sexism I see is really just little comments &#8211; people being surprised that I&#8217;m an engineer (despite knowing that I work for Google).  I have a few more stories here if you care to read them: <a href="http://www.seattlepixel.com/2005/10/women-in-computer-science.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlepixel.com/2005/10/women-in-computer-science.html</a>.  </p>
<p>So, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is to not worry too much about the sexism your daughter will face.  Sure, I see sexism every day, but it doesn&#8217;t stop me or even affect me that much.  Major direct sexism is rare, and the little things are sort of funny.  The stuff that goes on behind the scenes, well, who knows.  </p>
<p>My advice is to approach the all-boys websites as &#8220;funny&#8221; / &#8220;silly&#8221;, thereby teaching her to see it the same way.  In fact, if she can see the humor in it, it might even serve as a motivating factor.  If she&#8217;s the only girl on these websites (and later on in her science classes), how cool / special / awesome does that make her?</p>
<p>- Gayle</p>
<p>PS: Almost 50% of math majors in the US are female.  She&#8217;ll have lots of female company in math.  Science, though, is still dragging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C. Chu-Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark C. Chu-Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenna:

Our school system participates in the math and science olympiads, and she&#039;s already doing both. Based on how she did in the science one, and the science fair projects she&#039;s done, she&#039;s also going to be in the Young Inventors program next year.  (She didn&#039;t do as well in the math as the science, but that&#039;s because she&#039;s too much like me. She knew how to solve every single problem - but she made little arithmetic mistakes, and got the wrong answer. The hard parts, she&#039;s great at; the easy parts, not so much - they&#039;re too boring.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenna:</p>
<p>Our school system participates in the math and science olympiads, and she&#8217;s already doing both. Based on how she did in the science one, and the science fair projects she&#8217;s done, she&#8217;s also going to be in the Young Inventors program next year.  (She didn&#8217;t do as well in the math as the science, but that&#8217;s because she&#8217;s too much like me. She knew how to solve every single problem &#8211; but she made little arithmetic mistakes, and got the wrong answer. The hard parts, she&#8217;s great at; the easy parts, not so much &#8211; they&#8217;re too boring.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn has oodles of links for kids organized by topic on her hoagiesgifted site. If you back up a level she also has hot topic lists for reading as well. Her site is for people dealing with gifted kids, but that doesn&#039;t mean all her links are so oriented.
http://hoagiesgifted.org/links.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn has oodles of links for kids organized by topic on her hoagiesgifted site. If you back up a level she also has hot topic lists for reading as well. Her site is for people dealing with gifted kids, but that doesn&#8217;t mean all her links are so oriented.<br />
<a href="http://hoagiesgifted.org/links.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hoagiesgifted.org/links.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this program as a girl-

http://www.expandingyourhorizons.org/

There are games and other things on the website, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this program as a girl-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.expandingyourhorizons.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expandingyourhorizons.org/</a></p>
<p>There are games and other things on the website, too.</p>
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