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		<title>By: Philosophy for Assholes &#171; An ivory tower that touches the moon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/01/rape-kits-still-not-being-tested/#comment-212944</link>
		<dc:creator>Philosophy for Assholes &#171; An ivory tower that touches the moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a government does is put these assholes on trial. It&#8217;s particularly ineffective for women. Women would be better off in the fucking state of nature because then, at least, we could pack some ... Since cops won&#8217;t do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a government does is put these assholes on trial. It&#8217;s particularly ineffective for women. Women would be better off in the fucking state of nature because then, at least, we could pack some &#8230; Since cops won&#8217;t do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came over here because of Mike the Mad Biologists&#039; comment; and this story illustrates how badly our priorities have been screwed up in the wake of 9/11.  It&#039;s not just a joke for &quot;Family Guy,&quot; it&#039;s a problem of spending inordinate amounts of money invading the privacy of people who may or may not commit a crime in the future at the expense of prosecuting criminals who have all ready committed a real crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came over here because of Mike the Mad Biologists&#8217; comment; and this story illustrates how badly our priorities have been screwed up in the wake of 9/11.  It&#8217;s not just a joke for &#8220;Family Guy,&#8221; it&#8217;s a problem of spending inordinate amounts of money invading the privacy of people who may or may not commit a crime in the future at the expense of prosecuting criminals who have all ready committed a real crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike the Mad Biologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike the Mad Biologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Instead of Fighting Terrorists Over There, Why Don&#039;t We......&lt;/strong&gt;

stop rapists over here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Instead of Fighting Terrorists Over There, Why Don&#8217;t We&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>stop rapists over here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mächtige Maus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/01/rape-kits-still-not-being-tested/#comment-186134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mächtige Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to address the comment by Pixelfish which says:  &quot;At times like this I wonder if it would be possible for us to organize and get some training to deal with processing these kits. Obviously most of us won’t be able to participate in something like DNA sequencing, but surely, there’s got to be a way we could turn volunteer manpower hours into at least a basic examination of the kit. The stat about New York boggles.&quot;

As an analyst, I would love to have someone doing the initial evidence screening.  However, I just don&#039;t think that there is a sufficient understanding of what comes after that is done.  It is all well and good to say why not extract the DNA from all those samples and maintain them for long term, eventual testing.  The ability to do such a thing is simply not feasible without more funding.  I find that the point of lack of funding is being missed here.  A straight-forward DNA case takes at best two weeks.  Heaven forbid we are talking about a multi-exhibit, multi-subject case.  At that point we are talking about one month plus.  

It is easy to get upset at the lack of testing of sexual assault kit.  I understand that.  However, let&#039;s not forget that in the end, a lot of life comes down to money.  It costs easily over $1000 to process an &quot;easy&quot; case.  No, there should be no price tag on justice.  But, there is a price tag on everything.  Let&#039;s not just say &quot;do more testing&quot;.  How about we all say, &quot;let&#039;s get more money&quot;.  Sexual assault is a violent crime.  It is no less violent than a homicide.  The difference that society seems to put on the crime is (1) no life is lost (I use that loosely because certainly a life, as it once was, is lost) and (2) women surely must &quot;ask&quot; for what they get.  

I hope I do not come across as minimizing sexual assault and the backlog of testing.  I simply do not want everyone to buy into the idea that it is inherently by choice that these kits are not getting testing because I assure it is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to address the comment by Pixelfish which says:  &#8220;At times like this I wonder if it would be possible for us to organize and get some training to deal with processing these kits. Obviously most of us won’t be able to participate in something like DNA sequencing, but surely, there’s got to be a way we could turn volunteer manpower hours into at least a basic examination of the kit. The stat about New York boggles.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an analyst, I would love to have someone doing the initial evidence screening.  However, I just don&#8217;t think that there is a sufficient understanding of what comes after that is done.  It is all well and good to say why not extract the DNA from all those samples and maintain them for long term, eventual testing.  The ability to do such a thing is simply not feasible without more funding.  I find that the point of lack of funding is being missed here.  A straight-forward DNA case takes at best two weeks.  Heaven forbid we are talking about a multi-exhibit, multi-subject case.  At that point we are talking about one month plus.  </p>
<p>It is easy to get upset at the lack of testing of sexual assault kit.  I understand that.  However, let&#8217;s not forget that in the end, a lot of life comes down to money.  It costs easily over $1000 to process an &#8220;easy&#8221; case.  No, there should be no price tag on justice.  But, there is a price tag on everything.  Let&#8217;s not just say &#8220;do more testing&#8221;.  How about we all say, &#8220;let&#8217;s get more money&#8221;.  Sexual assault is a violent crime.  It is no less violent than a homicide.  The difference that society seems to put on the crime is (1) no life is lost (I use that loosely because certainly a life, as it once was, is lost) and (2) women surely must &#8220;ask&#8221; for what they get.  </p>
<p>I hope I do not come across as minimizing sexual assault and the backlog of testing.  I simply do not want everyone to buy into the idea that it is inherently by choice that these kits are not getting testing because I assure it is not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ever hear about those cases where DNA testing was used to free someone who’s been sitting in jail for a long time? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, we had one recently where two teens sat in jail for four years for a murder they didn&#039;t commit. They were put there by a cop&#039;s informant and the D.A. sat on DNA test results that would have cleared them for 18 months which relatively speaking, isn&#039;t that long. I remember talking to all the attorneys trying to figure out what was going on and then reading the prelim transcript and kicking myself for not reading it earlier b/c it was clear in the transcript they had the wrong guys. The DNA was done in a group of eight and identified two other older men as the probable killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ever hear about those cases where DNA testing was used to free someone who’s been sitting in jail for a long time? </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, we had one recently where two teens sat in jail for four years for a murder they didn&#8217;t commit. They were put there by a cop&#8217;s informant and the D.A. sat on DNA test results that would have cleared them for 18 months which relatively speaking, isn&#8217;t that long. I remember talking to all the attorneys trying to figure out what was going on and then reading the prelim transcript and kicking myself for not reading it earlier b/c it was clear in the transcript they had the wrong guys. The DNA was done in a group of eight and identified two other older men as the probable killers.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember doing DNA analysis my junior year in high school (5 yrs ago) and that&#039;s what got me into biotech in the first place.  Nothing too hard, and mind-blowingly inspiring

I know there&#039;s all sorts of training and security checks that have to be done before doing police forensic work, but I can tell you right now that if an opportunity to go through all that to help test those kits came up, I would leave all that I have - job, brand new apartment, friends, life - to do something that would help others in such a vulnerable and scary situation.

Also, big thanks to purpleshoes for linking to SarahQuibbling&#039;s blog (http://sarahq.livejournal.com/tag/forensics) - love it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember doing DNA analysis my junior year in high school (5 yrs ago) and that&#8217;s what got me into biotech in the first place.  Nothing too hard, and mind-blowingly inspiring</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s all sorts of training and security checks that have to be done before doing police forensic work, but I can tell you right now that if an opportunity to go through all that to help test those kits came up, I would leave all that I have &#8211; job, brand new apartment, friends, life &#8211; to do something that would help others in such a vulnerable and scary situation.</p>
<p>Also, big thanks to purpleshoes for linking to SarahQuibbling&#8217;s blog (<a href="http://sarahq.livejournal.com/tag/forensics" rel="nofollow">http://sarahq.livejournal.com/tag/forensics</a>) &#8211; love it. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;One argument which pops into my mind is that articles such as these will only deter rape victims from making reports, and are therefore irresponsible. In a general sense, I would agree that less reporting is a bad thing — but I would argue that those who have been raped have already been violated enough. And they deserve to be told the truth and to make an informed decision about the stressful and emotionally difficult process of evidence collection&lt;/em&gt;

Not only that if we know what is going on we take action against. Sitting in ignorance will not cause any kind of change in the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>One argument which pops into my mind is that articles such as these will only deter rape victims from making reports, and are therefore irresponsible. In a general sense, I would agree that less reporting is a bad thing — but I would argue that those who have been raped have already been violated enough. And they deserve to be told the truth and to make an informed decision about the stressful and emotionally difficult process of evidence collection</em></p>
<p>Not only that if we know what is going on we take action against. Sitting in ignorance will not cause any kind of change in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mächtige Maus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mächtige Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...perhaps I should add an additional clarification as far as the storage of biological evidence.  The entire sexual assault kit is indeed stored in the fridge until the blood sample can be archived.  However, again assuming proper collection of the remaining evidence (vaginal swabs, anal swabs, oral swabs, etc.), which includes &lt;strong&gt;both&lt;/strong&gt; air-drying and package in paper not plastic...&lt;strong&gt;then&lt;/strong&gt; the evidence is indeed maintained with integrity.  If this was not the case, The Innocence Project would not be the successful endeavor that it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;perhaps I should add an additional clarification as far as the storage of biological evidence.  The entire sexual assault kit is indeed stored in the fridge until the blood sample can be archived.  However, again assuming proper collection of the remaining evidence (vaginal swabs, anal swabs, oral swabs, etc.), which includes <strong>both</strong> air-drying and package in paper not plastic&#8230;<strong>then</strong> the evidence is indeed maintained with integrity.  If this was not the case, The Innocence Project would not be the successful endeavor that it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mächtige Maus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/01/rape-kits-still-not-being-tested/#comment-185773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mächtige Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my comment on The Curvature, however I will post it here as well since most of the traffic seems to be hitting here and this is clearly an important topic for me.

While I do not discount the validity of the numbers quoted in this piece, I do hope it is not a blanket statement on how sexual assault evidence is (or is not) processed across the nation. I also hope it is not a blanket statement on the priorities of law enforcement officers on the whole.

This is my job. 80-90% of the evidence that I process is sexual assault evidence. I am only one of four other DNA analysts responsible for well over thirty counties.  It is incredibly difficult to keep our heads above the water.

Bottom line, there does need to be more funding. It is not a cop out. It is hard to secure that funding…not just for forensic science institutions, but for science institutions in general.

In addition, I have to disagree with the following from Leah: 
&quot;Not to mention, at fridge temperature, biological samples have a limited shelf life (think about it; even refrigerated milk goes bad). Hundreds of thousands of samples have been lost and are being lost unnecessarily due to mold, bacteria, etc etc in the samples, which destroy DNA (not to mention even pure DNA is not indefinitely stable at fridge temp).&quot;

The only biological evidence stored at fridge temperature is the blood sample (victim or subject...and even this evidence is stored in the presence of a preservative) and it is only stored under such conditions until it can be archived.  The remaining evidence (provided it has been air-dried either in the field, at the hospital, or following submission to the lab...yes, on occasion this step is done incorrectly) is infinitely stable.  Therefore, more funding means the sexual assault evidence that has been untested can indeed eventually be tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my comment on The Curvature, however I will post it here as well since most of the traffic seems to be hitting here and this is clearly an important topic for me.</p>
<p>While I do not discount the validity of the numbers quoted in this piece, I do hope it is not a blanket statement on how sexual assault evidence is (or is not) processed across the nation. I also hope it is not a blanket statement on the priorities of law enforcement officers on the whole.</p>
<p>This is my job. 80-90% of the evidence that I process is sexual assault evidence. I am only one of four other DNA analysts responsible for well over thirty counties.  It is incredibly difficult to keep our heads above the water.</p>
<p>Bottom line, there does need to be more funding. It is not a cop out. It is hard to secure that funding…not just for forensic science institutions, but for science institutions in general.</p>
<p>In addition, I have to disagree with the following from Leah:<br />
&#8220;Not to mention, at fridge temperature, biological samples have a limited shelf life (think about it; even refrigerated milk goes bad). Hundreds of thousands of samples have been lost and are being lost unnecessarily due to mold, bacteria, etc etc in the samples, which destroy DNA (not to mention even pure DNA is not indefinitely stable at fridge temp).&#8221;</p>
<p>The only biological evidence stored at fridge temperature is the blood sample (victim or subject&#8230;and even this evidence is stored in the presence of a preservative) and it is only stored under such conditions until it can be archived.  The remaining evidence (provided it has been air-dried either in the field, at the hospital, or following submission to the lab&#8230;yes, on occasion this step is done incorrectly) is infinitely stable.  Therefore, more funding means the sexual assault evidence that has been untested can indeed eventually be tested.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The value come in when the next woman he rapes who doesn’t know him files a complaint and they get a match on the DNA. That’s one of the big points behind DNA testing in rape cases, not just to prosecute that case, but to prosecute future cases that may come up, especially if the low-life didn’t get convicted or even caught the first time around.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly -- or previous offenses.  Instead, we&#039;ve probably got a bunch of rape kits sitting in storage with DNA samples from the same guy, only some have an identity match and some don&#039;t.  That&#039;s invaluable evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The value come in when the next woman he rapes who doesn’t know him files a complaint and they get a match on the DNA. That’s one of the big points behind DNA testing in rape cases, not just to prosecute that case, but to prosecute future cases that may come up, especially if the low-life didn’t get convicted or even caught the first time around.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly &#8212; or previous offenses.  Instead, we&#8217;ve probably got a bunch of rape kits sitting in storage with DNA samples from the same guy, only some have an identity match and some don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s invaluable evidence.</p>
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