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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187988</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, apart from corporations not being people, is there really much difference between:

1. Granting undocumented workers a path to citizenship (&quot;amnesty,&quot; if you will); 

and

2. Granting retroactive civil immunity to telecoms acting at the behest of the Executive branch?

I see both as examples where a law prohibited a certain conduct and the government either explicitly or implicitly encouraged ignoring that law.

And now that things have been done, the only question remains is whether it would be prudent to prosecute the broken law or not?  Is my logic flawed on this matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, apart from corporations not being people, is there really much difference between:</p>
<p>1. Granting undocumented workers a path to citizenship (&#8220;amnesty,&#8221; if you will); </p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2. Granting retroactive civil immunity to telecoms acting at the behest of the Executive branch?</p>
<p>I see both as examples where a law prohibited a certain conduct and the government either explicitly or implicitly encouraged ignoring that law.</p>
<p>And now that things have been done, the only question remains is whether it would be prudent to prosecute the broken law or not?  Is my logic flawed on this matter?</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187986</link>
		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Argh. Yoda’s quote about fear leading to the darkside is quite apt here. :(&lt;/i&gt; - exholt

Actually with all this terrorism fearmongering, I can&#039;t help but think of &quot;The Monsters are due on Maple Street&quot; ... especially considering the role of fear in enabling us to essentially do things the terrorists want to be done (e.g. removing Saddam Hussein from power).

I wish Obama would have voted no on this and merely used a recycled speech &quot;the only thing we have to fear is fear itself&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Argh. Yoda’s quote about fear leading to the darkside is quite apt here. :(</i> &#8211; exholt</p>
<p>Actually with all this terrorism fearmongering, I can&#8217;t help but think of &#8220;The Monsters are due on Maple Street&#8221; &#8230; especially considering the role of fear in enabling us to essentially do things the terrorists want to be done (e.g. removing Saddam Hussein from power).</p>
<p>I wish Obama would have voted no on this and merely used a recycled speech &#8220;the only thing we have to fear is fear itself&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mireille</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187917</link>
		<dc:creator>Mireille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jessilikewhoa: Except in all likelihood, Bush will pardon them on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jessilikewhoa: Except in all likelihood, Bush will pardon them on the way out.</p>
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		<title>By: tilly</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187899</link>
		<dc:creator>tilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a couple of telecoms that said no to the wiretapping. They were harrassed and threatened by the govt. But they held out. That story rarely gets told. Others caved - the big telecoms. Despite getting legal advice it could come back to bite them. They deserve being held to the law. 

Obama had nothing to gain by voting for this law except protectionism for corporations. It was not at risk for not passing, and he could have protected freedom by voting against it. He did not. This was his &quot;Iraq war vote.&quot; He trashed Hillary for voting for the initial funding of he war - while he goes and does this that trashes our freedoms. Did he do it to get support from conservative voters? Well...what would he have done as Senator of New York after 9/11? Not vote for the intial war funding? You can bet Obama does and stands for whatever the wind blowing tells him to. He&#039;s an illusionist.  He will sell out anything, including freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a couple of telecoms that said no to the wiretapping. They were harrassed and threatened by the govt. But they held out. That story rarely gets told. Others caved &#8211; the big telecoms. Despite getting legal advice it could come back to bite them. They deserve being held to the law. </p>
<p>Obama had nothing to gain by voting for this law except protectionism for corporations. It was not at risk for not passing, and he could have protected freedom by voting against it. He did not. This was his &#8220;Iraq war vote.&#8221; He trashed Hillary for voting for the initial funding of he war &#8211; while he goes and does this that trashes our freedoms. Did he do it to get support from conservative voters? Well&#8230;what would he have done as Senator of New York after 9/11? Not vote for the intial war funding? You can bet Obama does and stands for whatever the wind blowing tells him to. He&#8217;s an illusionist.  He will sell out anything, including freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Margalis</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187898</link>
		<dc:creator>Margalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Right or wrong, the wiretapping program is highly popular among most Americans. &lt;/i&gt;

The evidence of this is what exactly?

I&#039;ll cut to the chase: this is false. Depending on how the question is asked it changes a lot, but &quot;highly popular&quot; is just flat wrong. Which is what makes this whole thing so silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Right or wrong, the wiretapping program is highly popular among most Americans. </i></p>
<p>The evidence of this is what exactly?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll cut to the chase: this is false. Depending on how the question is asked it changes a lot, but &#8220;highly popular&#8221; is just flat wrong. Which is what makes this whole thing so silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187897</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY, Obama, why?  Actually, we know why.  Elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY, Obama, why?  Actually, we know why.  Elections.</p>
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		<title>By: jessilikewhoa</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187893</link>
		<dc:creator>jessilikewhoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont recall where, but i read a legal analysis of the bill that stated in its current form telecoms are immune from civil lawsuits, but arent immune to criminal lawsuits, in which case i dont much mind, id much rather see criminal prosecutions of those asshats anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont recall where, but i read a legal analysis of the bill that stated in its current form telecoms are immune from civil lawsuits, but arent immune to criminal lawsuits, in which case i dont much mind, id much rather see criminal prosecutions of those asshats anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187882</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you senator Obama and you other &quot;democrats.&quot;  You made Bush a happy man today.  After all, I&#039;d be happy too if everyone hated me but I was still able to bitch slap the House and the Senate even though its controlled by the other party.

Change you can believe in . . . to the constitution and our civil liberties, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you senator Obama and you other &#8220;democrats.&#8221;  You made Bush a happy man today.  After all, I&#8217;d be happy too if everyone hated me but I was still able to bitch slap the House and the Senate even though its controlled by the other party.</p>
<p>Change you can believe in . . . to the constitution and our civil liberties, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hussey</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187870</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I still can’t believe we’re even having this conversation.&lt;/em&gt;

Believe. It&#039;s an election year and Democrats (including Obama) are afraid that Republicans are going to call them defeatists and terrorist supporters. Dems have been killing this bill for a year. Now they cave when the party is at it&#039;s strongest and the McCain campaign is floundering. These people lack the courage to back their convictions.

&lt;em&gt;I think we can blame the Senators and the Americans who supported the wiretapping program.&lt;/em&gt; Support for warrantless wiretapping was never strong. There were never people protesting in the streets demanding that the Bush administration tap their phones and email accounts. I bet most of the people that polled in approval of warrantless wiretapping don&#039;t understand the FISA court or the implications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I still can’t believe we’re even having this conversation.</em></p>
<p>Believe. It&#8217;s an election year and Democrats (including Obama) are afraid that Republicans are going to call them defeatists and terrorist supporters. Dems have been killing this bill for a year. Now they cave when the party is at it&#8217;s strongest and the McCain campaign is floundering. These people lack the courage to back their convictions.</p>
<p><em>I think we can blame the Senators and the Americans who supported the wiretapping program.</em> Support for warrantless wiretapping was never strong. There were never people protesting in the streets demanding that the Bush administration tap their phones and email accounts. I bet most of the people that polled in approval of warrantless wiretapping don&#8217;t understand the FISA court or the implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Mireille</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/09/immunity/#comment-187869</link>
		<dc:creator>Mireille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, not a lawsuit, but whatever the legalese is for challenging the constitutionality of the bill in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, not a lawsuit, but whatever the legalese is for challenging the constitutionality of the bill in court.</p>
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