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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the New Yorker, people! &#171; A Lesbian and a Scholar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-196666</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s the New Yorker, people! &#171; A Lesbian and a Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first things I heard of the cover were from Feministe and Feministing.  Commenters on both blogs recognized the joke, but argued that only the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189905</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay I gave in and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaichang.net/2008/07/satire-of-the-stupid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote a post&lt;/a&gt;. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I gave in and <a href="http://www.kaichang.net/2008/07/satire-of-the-stupid.html" rel="nofollow">wrote a post</a>. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189564</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InotI - the difference between actively and passively encountering this image is huge here.  Someone watching &quot;The Colbert Report&quot; has likely actively sought out the program.  It&#039;s on a television network called *Comedy Central*.  Pretty much everything about the way the show is structured emphasises the fact that it is based on mockery and satire.

A cover on a newsstand is seen passively.  Anyone walking by a newsstand can see it.  If someone knows that The New Yorker has &quot;long-standing left-wing credibility&quot;, then sure, the image will be easily read as some sort of commentary not necessarily about the Obamas.  But there is no inherent context in encountering the magazine on the rack at Barnes &amp; Nobel - nothing to indicate that it frequently uses humor.  Nothing to indicate that it is critical of the whisper campaign slandering Obama.  To someone completely unfamiliar with the editorial positions of the NYer, there is no context to indicate that the subject of the image is not what is there on the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InotI &#8211; the difference between actively and passively encountering this image is huge here.  Someone watching &#8220;The Colbert Report&#8221; has likely actively sought out the program.  It&#8217;s on a television network called *Comedy Central*.  Pretty much everything about the way the show is structured emphasises the fact that it is based on mockery and satire.</p>
<p>A cover on a newsstand is seen passively.  Anyone walking by a newsstand can see it.  If someone knows that The New Yorker has &#8220;long-standing left-wing credibility&#8221;, then sure, the image will be easily read as some sort of commentary not necessarily about the Obamas.  But there is no inherent context in encountering the magazine on the rack at Barnes &amp; Nobel &#8211; nothing to indicate that it frequently uses humor.  Nothing to indicate that it is critical of the whisper campaign slandering Obama.  To someone completely unfamiliar with the editorial positions of the NYer, there is no context to indicate that the subject of the image is not what is there on the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189470</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;INotI said&lt;b&gt;So? The cover is equally as clearly a satire of the right’s views of Barack Obama, given what I see as the long-standing left-wing credibility of the NYer. The only difference I see between them is that one has to be sought out on TV, and one appears on the newstand for everyone to see.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The cover is NOT clearly satire. There is no context on the cover to indicate that this is satire. None. In satire, it should be clearly who is the object of the criticism and the only people I see on the cover are the Obamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b><i>INotI said<b>So? The cover is equally as clearly a satire of the right’s views of Barack Obama, given what I see as the long-standing left-wing credibility of the NYer. The only difference I see between them is that one has to be sought out on TV, and one appears on the newstand for everyone to see.</b></i></b></p></blockquote>
<p>The cover is NOT clearly satire. There is no context on the cover to indicate that this is satire. None. In satire, it should be clearly who is the object of the criticism and the only people I see on the cover are the Obamas.</p>
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		<title>By: shah8</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189435</link>
		<dc:creator>shah8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*
at the very end...
satire mocks &lt;strong&gt;agency&lt;/strong&gt;.  It takes the action of one or more agencies from one standard context, and places it in a different context or reference(pov) point.  The cover &lt;strong&gt;was&lt;/strong&gt; humor, but not satire, at least not in the global sense.  The only thing that acts as a satirizing agent is the fistbump and the burning flag. However, we have no clear idea of &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; they are happening.  Something that weakly satirical doesn&#039;t count, in my book.

The New Yorker simply wanted to be edgy, without actually offending anybody who &quot;matters&quot;.  Depicting white people as racists who believe that Obama is a Muslim would have brought a firestorm of criticism.  This way, it&#039;s much safer.  Black people can be muffled about the Angela Davisization of Michelle Obama, and Barack is just a tad too busy (and locked into unthreatening), to fire back.

It&#039;s a racist cartoon, by racists, for racists.  Hipster racist do this all the time.  Blaming uncouth lower class whites &quot;for making race an issue&quot; and putting out their own racist feelings.  It happened before when many &quot;leftwing&quot; bloggers were talking about how we should overturn the popular vote because Obama is &lt;em&gt;too black for America&lt;/em&gt;, when it&#039;s that Obama&#039;s too black &lt;em&gt;for them&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*<br />
at the very end&#8230;<br />
satire mocks <strong>agency</strong>.  It takes the action of one or more agencies from one standard context, and places it in a different context or reference(pov) point.  The cover <strong>was</strong> humor, but not satire, at least not in the global sense.  The only thing that acts as a satirizing agent is the fistbump and the burning flag. However, we have no clear idea of <em>why</em> they are happening.  Something that weakly satirical doesn&#8217;t count, in my book.</p>
<p>The New Yorker simply wanted to be edgy, without actually offending anybody who &#8220;matters&#8221;.  Depicting white people as racists who believe that Obama is a Muslim would have brought a firestorm of criticism.  This way, it&#8217;s much safer.  Black people can be muffled about the Angela Davisization of Michelle Obama, and Barack is just a tad too busy (and locked into unthreatening), to fire back.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a racist cartoon, by racists, for racists.  Hipster racist do this all the time.  Blaming uncouth lower class whites &#8220;for making race an issue&#8221; and putting out their own racist feelings.  It happened before when many &#8220;leftwing&#8221; bloggers were talking about how we should overturn the popular vote because Obama is <em>too black for America</em>, when it&#8217;s that Obama&#8217;s too black <em>for them</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: ohio teach</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189428</link>
		<dc:creator>ohio teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I&#039;m getting from the brouhaha over this cover, here and all over the left blogosphere: &quot;of course, I&#039;m smart enough to get this, but I worry that my countrymen and women are too dumb to get it.&quot; 

We won&#039;t get very far if we jump to say that Americans are stupid (stupider than us). We need to educate them and to let them see that we believe they are educable.

Are we on the left up to the challenge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m getting from the brouhaha over this cover, here and all over the left blogosphere: &#8220;of course, I&#8217;m smart enough to get this, but I worry that my countrymen and women are too dumb to get it.&#8221; </p>
<p>We won&#8217;t get very far if we jump to say that Americans are stupid (stupider than us). We need to educate them and to let them see that we believe they are educable.</p>
<p>Are we on the left up to the challenge?</p>
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		<title>By: INotI</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189418</link>
		<dc:creator>INotI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So?  The cover is equally as clearly a satire of the right&#039;s views of Barack Obama, given what I see as the long-standing left-wing credibility of the NYer.  The only difference I see between them is that one has to be sought out on TV, and one appears on the newstand for everyone to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So?  The cover is equally as clearly a satire of the right&#8217;s views of Barack Obama, given what I see as the long-standing left-wing credibility of the NYer.  The only difference I see between them is that one has to be sought out on TV, and one appears on the newstand for everyone to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189416</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colbert&#039;s entire character is a satire of the talking heads on Fox, which I think is made very clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colbert&#8217;s entire character is a satire of the talking heads on Fox, which I think is made very clear.</p>
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		<title>By: INotI</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189414</link>
		<dc:creator>INotI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what makes this cover any different from the dozens of jokes Stephen Colbert has made in-character to the effect of &quot;Barack Obama is a terrorist&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what makes this cover any different from the dozens of jokes Stephen Colbert has made in-character to the effect of &#8220;Barack Obama is a terrorist&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Charity</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/13/speechless-indeed/#comment-189407</link>
		<dc:creator>Charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for the info on the tags.  And thanks to James for this:

&quot;...but in fact in order to flatter a specific Caucasian demographic’s belief in its own exceptionalism — in other words, white editors flattering a specific white audience’s sense of its moral superiority over other, less-enlightened whites, in total disregard of how publication of racist imagery might actually impact people of color.&quot;  

which puts it so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for the info on the tags.  And thanks to James for this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but in fact in order to flatter a specific Caucasian demographic’s belief in its own exceptionalism — in other words, white editors flattering a specific white audience’s sense of its moral superiority over other, less-enlightened whites, in total disregard of how publication of racist imagery might actually impact people of color.&#8221;  </p>
<p>which puts it so well.</p>
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