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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/15/another-word-on-guest-bloggers/#comment-190943</link>
		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piny -- I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s argument vs ignorance nor that statements about guest bloggers make anyone a better candidate.  If you read me every, you&#039;ll see that I have never -- and yes, that would be never -- made a personal comment about another blogger, so you can answer your own question there.

My seconding Ronda&#039;s recommendation was for substantive reasons.  You&#039;re welcome to disagree with those, as well as to disagree for the reasons you mention as well.  As I said in my earlier comment, I was voicing my opinion.  Nothing &quot;dishonest&quot; about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piny &#8212; I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s argument vs ignorance nor that statements about guest bloggers make anyone a better candidate.  If you read me every, you&#8217;ll see that I have never &#8212; and yes, that would be never &#8212; made a personal comment about another blogger, so you can answer your own question there.</p>
<p>My seconding Ronda&#8217;s recommendation was for substantive reasons.  You&#8217;re welcome to disagree with those, as well as to disagree for the reasons you mention as well.  As I said in my earlier comment, I was voicing my opinion.  Nothing &#8220;dishonest&#8221; about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronda</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/15/another-word-on-guest-bloggers/#comment-190593</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not fair to suggest that the girls are a cult.</description>
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		<title>By: PhysioProf</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/15/another-word-on-guest-bloggers/#comment-190502</link>
		<dc:creator>PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have been having a great time guest blogging here! It&#039;s definitely been enlightening to receive comments from a more diverse crowd than my usual band of merry pranksters that hang out at PhysioProf and DrugMonkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have been having a great time guest blogging here! It&#8217;s definitely been enlightening to receive comments from a more diverse crowd than my usual band of merry pranksters that hang out at PhysioProf and DrugMonkey.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just echoing what Piny and Cara said. The process of picking guest bloggers involved all of us -- the floor was opened for ideas, and they were collected from all the bloggers. I sent out the invites, but the whole list was generated and then approved by all of us. Everyone had veto power, and everyone had the opportunity to suggest bloggers. So the guestbloggers represent selections made (and accepted) by all of us. There are some bloggers who some of us like but others are uncomfortable with; there are a lot who some of us are unfamiliar with, but who others have had bad dealings with in the past. I&#039;m not all that familiar with the Apostate; I haven&#039;t interacted with her all that much, and I&#039;ve read her blog a few times but not with any regularity. I do know, however, that she has been abusive to my co-bloggers, and they&#039;ve made it clear in this thread that they wouldn&#039;t be comfortable having her here, so that&#039;s the end of the story. 

And Apostate certainly isn&#039;t the only feminist blogger who would be vetoed, as Piny pointed out. None of us are in the business of playing Feminism Police, and we purposely invited guestbloggers who have varying perspectives and interpretations of feminism. My feminism doesn&#039;t look like the feminism of a lot of people who have written for us, and a lot of the people who will be writing for us in the future. Heck, my feminism isn&#039;t a carbon copy of Cara&#039;s or Jack&#039;s or Piny&#039;s or Holly&#039;s or Kactus&#039;s either. But we&#039;re on the same page enough that it works, and it makes sense to have us all in this space. We push the envelope even more with guest-bloggers, and invite people who differ more deeply, but there are fundamental things that we aren&#039;t going to compromise on. In another thread about guest-bloggers a while back, one of our regular conservative commenters suggested that we invite someone who isn&#039;t feminist and doesn&#039;t buy into feminist ideology. Well, no, that&#039;s not going to happen. We also aren&#039;t going to invite people who have histories of transphobia (like Heart), or racism, or who have attacked us personally in the past. Picking guestbloggers is tough because there are just so many great people out there. We aren&#039;t going to give a space to someone who has attacked our bloggers in the past (and I&#039;m talking unfairly &lt;i&gt;attacked&lt;/i&gt;, not disagreed or argued with) or has made statements that are contrary to the fundamental beliefs that this site rests on. 

And even if I thought the Apostate would be the perfect guest-blogger -- which I don&#039;t, but let&#039;s pretend -- a veto from another Feministe blogger is an immediate no-go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just echoing what Piny and Cara said. The process of picking guest bloggers involved all of us &#8212; the floor was opened for ideas, and they were collected from all the bloggers. I sent out the invites, but the whole list was generated and then approved by all of us. Everyone had veto power, and everyone had the opportunity to suggest bloggers. So the guestbloggers represent selections made (and accepted) by all of us. There are some bloggers who some of us like but others are uncomfortable with; there are a lot who some of us are unfamiliar with, but who others have had bad dealings with in the past. I&#8217;m not all that familiar with the Apostate; I haven&#8217;t interacted with her all that much, and I&#8217;ve read her blog a few times but not with any regularity. I do know, however, that she has been abusive to my co-bloggers, and they&#8217;ve made it clear in this thread that they wouldn&#8217;t be comfortable having her here, so that&#8217;s the end of the story. </p>
<p>And Apostate certainly isn&#8217;t the only feminist blogger who would be vetoed, as Piny pointed out. None of us are in the business of playing Feminism Police, and we purposely invited guestbloggers who have varying perspectives and interpretations of feminism. My feminism doesn&#8217;t look like the feminism of a lot of people who have written for us, and a lot of the people who will be writing for us in the future. Heck, my feminism isn&#8217;t a carbon copy of Cara&#8217;s or Jack&#8217;s or Piny&#8217;s or Holly&#8217;s or Kactus&#8217;s either. But we&#8217;re on the same page enough that it works, and it makes sense to have us all in this space. We push the envelope even more with guest-bloggers, and invite people who differ more deeply, but there are fundamental things that we aren&#8217;t going to compromise on. In another thread about guest-bloggers a while back, one of our regular conservative commenters suggested that we invite someone who isn&#8217;t feminist and doesn&#8217;t buy into feminist ideology. Well, no, that&#8217;s not going to happen. We also aren&#8217;t going to invite people who have histories of transphobia (like Heart), or racism, or who have attacked us personally in the past. Picking guestbloggers is tough because there are just so many great people out there. We aren&#8217;t going to give a space to someone who has attacked our bloggers in the past (and I&#8217;m talking unfairly <i>attacked</i>, not disagreed or argued with) or has made statements that are contrary to the fundamental beliefs that this site rests on. </p>
<p>And even if I thought the Apostate would be the perfect guest-blogger &#8212; which I don&#8217;t, but let&#8217;s pretend &#8212; a veto from another Feministe blogger is an immediate no-go.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/15/another-word-on-guest-bloggers/#comment-190472</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jill, if you are really sincere and i honestly think you are in so many ways, even to admitting that you do indeed hold some patriarchal ennabling views, can’t you address the balance and allow a seasoned, radical feminist like al apostate come here as a guest blogger? I am not suggesting PHG for one minute, but perhaps the one person who has authority with young, angry and increasingly frustrated ex Muslim girls, al apostate, who I feel sure you must have heard of.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you Piny for already partially covering this.  Ronda, Jill does most of the back-end admin work, and is often recognized as the &quot;face&quot; of Feministe, but as she will readily and frequently acknowledge, she is not &quot;in charge&quot; here.  We run things democratically.  Everyone gets to suggest guest-bloggers, and we all get to veto suggestions if we want to.  So I don&#039;t know how Jill feels about Apostate, but &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; would not allow her here.  Vetoed, even if Piny or no one else did.  Apostate is someone who has regularly lied about me on her blog, called me names and would not be welcome in &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; space -- which this is, as much as it is Jill&#039;s, Holly&#039;s, Piny&#039;s, Jack&#039;s, Lauren&#039;s and Kactus&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jill, if you are really sincere and i honestly think you are in so many ways, even to admitting that you do indeed hold some patriarchal ennabling views, can’t you address the balance and allow a seasoned, radical feminist like al apostate come here as a guest blogger? I am not suggesting PHG for one minute, but perhaps the one person who has authority with young, angry and increasingly frustrated ex Muslim girls, al apostate, who I feel sure you must have heard of.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you Piny for already partially covering this.  Ronda, Jill does most of the back-end admin work, and is often recognized as the &#8220;face&#8221; of Feministe, but as she will readily and frequently acknowledge, she is not &#8220;in charge&#8221; here.  We run things democratically.  Everyone gets to suggest guest-bloggers, and we all get to veto suggestions if we want to.  So I don&#8217;t know how Jill feels about Apostate, but <i>I</i> would not allow her here.  Vetoed, even if Piny or no one else did.  Apostate is someone who has regularly lied about me on her blog, called me names and would not be welcome in <i>my</i> space &#8212; which this is, as much as it is Jill&#8217;s, Holly&#8217;s, Piny&#8217;s, Jack&#8217;s, Lauren&#8217;s and Kactus&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now that you mention Planned Parenthood--that whole kerfluffle did give us a preview of how she handles conflict outside her own sandbox: like a three-year-old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now that you mention Planned Parenthood&#8211;that whole kerfluffle did give us a preview of how she handles conflict outside her own sandbox: like a three-year-old.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/15/another-word-on-guest-bloggers/#comment-190462</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thanks, that was exactly what I was referring to.  I didn&#039;t remember the Planned Parenthood back-and-forth specifically until you mentioned it.  I call those interpersonal issues, ones which color any discussion of whether or not Apostate should be a guest blogger.  Should I have used more profanity?  She commands--and what an attractive verb that is!--this whole crowd of commenters who rate our guest bloggers in really horrible ways.  

For some reason, and maybe I&#039;m reading you wrong, you seem to think this makes her a better candidate, not a much worse one.  I don&#039;t really understand why.  I also think the political stuff doesn&#039;t end with the faith/apostasy chasm.  Her shallow-at-best, hateful-at-worst insistence that feminism shouldn&#039;t bother with issues like police brutality is another reason I wouldn&#039;t want to see her here.  Add that to her somewhat unpleasant personality surrounded by really unpleasant ancillary personalities, and why not just lose her invite, seriously?  

She has a platform, and she is welcome to use it to create genuine debate.  If all that&#039;s being accomplished now, with her help, is a cultlike atmosphere of spiralling viciousness, why would bringing her here make things better?  What open debate would happen?  Heart isn&#039;t gonna be blogging with us this summer, and between the quiverful history and the doctrinaire radical feminism, she deserves a place just as much as The Apostate does.  Giving her one would be a really stupid idea, and it would only look more idiotic if her friends showed up here to start fights beforehand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thanks, that was exactly what I was referring to.  I didn&#8217;t remember the Planned Parenthood back-and-forth specifically until you mentioned it.  I call those interpersonal issues, ones which color any discussion of whether or not Apostate should be a guest blogger.  Should I have used more profanity?  She commands&#8211;and what an attractive verb that is!&#8211;this whole crowd of commenters who rate our guest bloggers in really horrible ways.  </p>
<p>For some reason, and maybe I&#8217;m reading you wrong, you seem to think this makes her a better candidate, not a much worse one.  I don&#8217;t really understand why.  I also think the political stuff doesn&#8217;t end with the faith/apostasy chasm.  Her shallow-at-best, hateful-at-worst insistence that feminism shouldn&#8217;t bother with issues like police brutality is another reason I wouldn&#8217;t want to see her here.  Add that to her somewhat unpleasant personality surrounded by really unpleasant ancillary personalities, and why not just lose her invite, seriously?  </p>
<p>She has a platform, and she is welcome to use it to create genuine debate.  If all that&#8217;s being accomplished now, with her help, is a cultlike atmosphere of spiralling viciousness, why would bringing her here make things better?  What open debate would happen?  Heart isn&#8217;t gonna be blogging with us this summer, and between the quiverful history and the doctrinaire radical feminism, she deserves a place just as much as The Apostate does.  Giving her one would be a really stupid idea, and it would only look more idiotic if her friends showed up here to start fights beforehand.</p>
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		<title>By: quiteneil</title>
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		<dc:creator>quiteneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Latoya

I&#039;m excited to see your work here!</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m excited to see your work here!</p>
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		<title>By: Ano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piny, you missed a lot while you were backpacking. There is plenty reason to put &#039;interpersonal issues&#039; aside because it is stifling the need for genuine debate. You might not personally be very interested in issues revolving around the conflict between secular and religious feminists and you seem more fixated on the Planned Parenthood phase of 8 months back.  Fine.But what you missed is a vicious campaign by ex Muslimas to undercut and basically humiliate guest bloggers who are faith based. The apostates function more like a cult than an ordinary bunch of bloggers. There have been personal attacks, endless propaganda, bullying and dramatics. The apostate herself is not directly responsible-but she has final and commanding influence with those who are and who follow her ideas. Bringing her here is more important than any &#039;interpersonal issues&#039; you may be holding on to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piny, you missed a lot while you were backpacking. There is plenty reason to put &#8216;interpersonal issues&#8217; aside because it is stifling the need for genuine debate. You might not personally be very interested in issues revolving around the conflict between secular and religious feminists and you seem more fixated on the Planned Parenthood phase of 8 months back.  Fine.But what you missed is a vicious campaign by ex Muslimas to undercut and basically humiliate guest bloggers who are faith based. The apostates function more like a cult than an ordinary bunch of bloggers. There have been personal attacks, endless propaganda, bullying and dramatics. The apostate herself is not directly responsible-but she has final and commanding influence with those who are and who follow her ideas. Bringing her here is more important than any &#8216;interpersonal issues&#8217; you may be holding on to.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Octo, Feministe bloggers and The Apostate have had a lot of contact already.  I&#039;ve been backpacking abroad for the past several months, and even I know that.  You should, too--you were in some of those comments threads.  Why are you writing as though it&#039;s all argument on one side and ignorance on the other?  It&#039;s really dishonest to pretend that there are no interpersonal reasons why Apostate isn&#039;t guest-blogging here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Octo, Feministe bloggers and The Apostate have had a lot of contact already.  I&#8217;ve been backpacking abroad for the past several months, and even I know that.  You should, too&#8211;you were in some of those comments threads.  Why are you writing as though it&#8217;s all argument on one side and ignorance on the other?  It&#8217;s really dishonest to pretend that there are no interpersonal reasons why Apostate isn&#8217;t guest-blogging here.</p>
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