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	<title>Comments on: Bush Administration Promotes Discriminatory Practices Related To Birth Control</title>
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		<title>By: Obama wouldn&#8217;t care if they confiscated my uterus &#171; XXBlaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama wouldn&#8217;t care if they confiscated my uterus &#171; XXBlaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there is this nasty story about the federal government&#8217;s newest scheme to reassert dominance over the wayward uterus [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Feministe » Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe » Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS RuleBush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule : The Curvature on Bush Administration Promotes Discriminatory Practices Related To Birth ControlFive Months Left, Time To Show The Women Who&#8217;s Boss &#124; Andrew Daniller on Bush Officially [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS RuleBush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule : The Curvature on Bush Administration Promotes Discriminatory Practices Related To Birth ControlFive Months Left, Time To Show The Women Who&#8217;s Boss | Andrew Daniller on Bush Officially [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You know that potential DHHS rule that pro-choice organizations and feminists have been going on abo... The one that says organizations which receive government funding cannot discriminate against those who choose to exercise their &#8220;conscience&#8221; on matters of abortion &#8212; and redefines &#8220;abortion&#8221; to cover hormonal contraception? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You know that potential DHHS rule that pro-choice organizations and feminists have been going on abo&#8230; The one that says organizations which receive government funding cannot discriminate against those who choose to exercise their &#8220;conscience&#8221; on matters of abortion &#8212; and redefines &#8220;abortion&#8221; to cover hormonal contraception? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stop The Craziness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop The Craziness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 Rebecca:  It&#039;s a grave insult to me that I must read crazy talk from the likes of you.  Please respect my rights to a sane environment...go elsewhere to discuss your problem with doctors trying to &quot;strongly persuade&quot; you to take contraception pills.  Hmmm, maybe there&#039;s a good reason for that.  One more thing...STOP SHOUTING VIA CAPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 Rebecca:  It&#8217;s a grave insult to me that I must read crazy talk from the likes of you.  Please respect my rights to a sane environment&#8230;go elsewhere to discuss your problem with doctors trying to &#8220;strongly persuade&#8221; you to take contraception pills.  Hmmm, maybe there&#8217;s a good reason for that.  One more thing&#8230;STOP SHOUTING VIA CAPS.</p>
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		<title>By: News Round-Up &#124; Dr. Johnson&#8217;s Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Round-Up &#124; Dr. Johnson&#8217;s Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rebecca (liberal!Rebecca)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca (liberal!Rebecca)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, dude, someone else with my name.

One difference would be that pharmacists and women&#039;s clinic workers enter that profession with the knowledge that they will be expected to, y&#039;know, dispense medicines and provide women&#039;s health services. If providing those services is against one&#039;s religion, one should, obviously, not enter that profession. My usual example is that of an Orthodox Jew or Hindu expecting not to be fired for refusing to handle burgers at a McDonalds.

I agree that your doctor shouldn&#039;t try to &quot;force&quot; birth control on you, but the situation isn&#039;t parallel: you are not obliged to take it, whereas in cases where pharmacists won&#039;t provide birth control  that has &lt;i&gt;already been prescribed&lt;/i&gt;, the woman cannot just take it from behind the counter.

Likewise, even if BC has harmful effects on some women, this is no reason to stop others who want it from getting it.

It&#039;s not about obliging everyone to take birth control and have abortions. It&#039;s about the &lt;b&gt;choice&lt;/b&gt; to begin, end, or carry to term a pregnancy.

(Your other points have already been dealt with by other commenters, I believe.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, dude, someone else with my name.</p>
<p>One difference would be that pharmacists and women&#8217;s clinic workers enter that profession with the knowledge that they will be expected to, y&#8217;know, dispense medicines and provide women&#8217;s health services. If providing those services is against one&#8217;s religion, one should, obviously, not enter that profession. My usual example is that of an Orthodox Jew or Hindu expecting not to be fired for refusing to handle burgers at a McDonalds.</p>
<p>I agree that your doctor shouldn&#8217;t try to &#8220;force&#8221; birth control on you, but the situation isn&#8217;t parallel: you are not obliged to take it, whereas in cases where pharmacists won&#8217;t provide birth control  that has <i>already been prescribed</i>, the woman cannot just take it from behind the counter.</p>
<p>Likewise, even if BC has harmful effects on some women, this is no reason to stop others who want it from getting it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about obliging everyone to take birth control and have abortions. It&#8217;s about the <b>choice</b> to begin, end, or carry to term a pregnancy.</p>
<p>(Your other points have already been dealt with by other commenters, I believe.)</p>
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		<title>By: ThickRedGlasses</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThickRedGlasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca (6th post), &quot;Go somewhere else&quot; is not always an option for women, especially if they live in rural areas or have certain insurance plans that don&#039;t cover contraception. As it is, many women travel 50-100 miles to get an abortion, because 80% of US counties have no abortion provider. Women should have plenty of doctors to choose from when getting such personal healthcare. We shouldn&#039;t have to go from one doctor to another to another to another because they refuse to do part of the job that they were hired to do. If you don&#039;t want to prescribe birth control or perform abortions, don&#039;t become the kind of doctor that does that. It&#039;s really very simple. Just like I don&#039;t want to perform cosmetic surgery, I&#039;m not going to become a cosmetic surgeon. According to the logic of this new rule, I should be able to become a cosmetic surgeon, not do the job based on my moral values, and still rake in the dough. That&#039;s completely unfair.

Also, you are making a sweeping generalization when you say that, because of your limited research, abortion and contraception are bad for women. There are women who are happy with their decision to have an abortion or contraceptives, and there are women who regret that decision. Everybody&#039;s different. Pro-choicers don&#039;t advocate for anything more than the right for women to make their own personal decisions about family planning. I would rather a woman regret having an abortion or using contraceptives than not having a say in the matter at all. Regret is a possible consequence of making a choice. If you don&#039;t want to ever regret anything again, simply let someone else make your decisions for you. Is that what you want for women? That might save women from regretting anything, but it completely strips away their humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca (6th post), &#8220;Go somewhere else&#8221; is not always an option for women, especially if they live in rural areas or have certain insurance plans that don&#8217;t cover contraception. As it is, many women travel 50-100 miles to get an abortion, because 80% of US counties have no abortion provider. Women should have plenty of doctors to choose from when getting such personal healthcare. We shouldn&#8217;t have to go from one doctor to another to another to another because they refuse to do part of the job that they were hired to do. If you don&#8217;t want to prescribe birth control or perform abortions, don&#8217;t become the kind of doctor that does that. It&#8217;s really very simple. Just like I don&#8217;t want to perform cosmetic surgery, I&#8217;m not going to become a cosmetic surgeon. According to the logic of this new rule, I should be able to become a cosmetic surgeon, not do the job based on my moral values, and still rake in the dough. That&#8217;s completely unfair.</p>
<p>Also, you are making a sweeping generalization when you say that, because of your limited research, abortion and contraception are bad for women. There are women who are happy with their decision to have an abortion or contraceptives, and there are women who regret that decision. Everybody&#8217;s different. Pro-choicers don&#8217;t advocate for anything more than the right for women to make their own personal decisions about family planning. I would rather a woman regret having an abortion or using contraceptives than not having a say in the matter at all. Regret is a possible consequence of making a choice. If you don&#8217;t want to ever regret anything again, simply let someone else make your decisions for you. Is that what you want for women? That might save women from regretting anything, but it completely strips away their humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » Clinton Fights On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe » Clinton Fights On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in related reading, Marcella wrote about another offense by the Bush administration earlier this week in which they want special protection for anti-abortion and anti-contraceptive medical providers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Charity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, there is now a link to sign a petition to Sec. Leavitt supporting Clinton / Murray...it would be awesome if you could add it to the post as an update, or something else to call attention to it!

The petition: http://www.hillpac.com/action/hhspetition/

I found it at Shakesville via this post: 

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-is-what-leadership-looks-like.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, there is now a link to sign a petition to Sec. Leavitt supporting Clinton / Murray&#8230;it would be awesome if you could add it to the post as an update, or something else to call attention to it!</p>
<p>The petition: <a href="http://www.hillpac.com/action/hhspetition/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hillpac.com/action/hhspetition/</a></p>
<p>I found it at Shakesville via this post: </p>
<p><a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-is-what-leadership-looks-like.html" rel="nofollow">http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-is-what-leadership-looks-like.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcella Chester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcella Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca wrote: &quot;I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THOSE IN THE HEALTH CARE FIELD FROM BEING FORCED TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE AGAINST FOR MORAL AND/OR RELIGIOUS REASONS.&quot;

With the provision about hiring included in this proposal, any talk about this proposal simply preventing medical staff from being forced is invalid. Don&#039;t want to provide services which are part of a particular job? Apply for a job where those services aren&#039;t an expected part of the job. 

If someone is a landlord, they either follow fair housing laws or they should get into another line of work. 

In medicine there are plenty of areas where staff would never be asked to do anything related to birth control or abortions. 

A rape victim who goes to the hospital should not ever be required to shop for someone who will provide emergency contraceptives. As a victim advocate I&#039;ve been in the ER when rape victims have been offered EC and the choice to have or not have EC was totally up to the patient with no pressure applied either way. 

If you would never choose an abortion or any form of birth control that is your right. Giving everyone their legal rights when it comes to abortion and birth control is not shoving it down your throat.

You say that medical personel will not coerce patients but then relate being presssured by doctors to make a birth control decision you didn&#039;t want to make. That doesn&#039;t disprove my point, it reinforces it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca wrote: &#8220;I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THOSE IN THE HEALTH CARE FIELD FROM BEING FORCED TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE AGAINST FOR MORAL AND/OR RELIGIOUS REASONS.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the provision about hiring included in this proposal, any talk about this proposal simply preventing medical staff from being forced is invalid. Don&#8217;t want to provide services which are part of a particular job? Apply for a job where those services aren&#8217;t an expected part of the job. </p>
<p>If someone is a landlord, they either follow fair housing laws or they should get into another line of work. </p>
<p>In medicine there are plenty of areas where staff would never be asked to do anything related to birth control or abortions. </p>
<p>A rape victim who goes to the hospital should not ever be required to shop for someone who will provide emergency contraceptives. As a victim advocate I&#8217;ve been in the ER when rape victims have been offered EC and the choice to have or not have EC was totally up to the patient with no pressure applied either way. </p>
<p>If you would never choose an abortion or any form of birth control that is your right. Giving everyone their legal rights when it comes to abortion and birth control is not shoving it down your throat.</p>
<p>You say that medical personel will not coerce patients but then relate being presssured by doctors to make a birth control decision you didn&#8217;t want to make. That doesn&#8217;t disprove my point, it reinforces it.</p>
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