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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Signout</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-196751</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PP--

Sorry I&#039;m late to the party. As a resident, I must point out that if I did &quot;just my job,&quot; or even talked about it as &quot;just a job,&quot; I&#039;d get fucking fired--or at the very least, talked to in a hushed tone.

Patients want us to be MAGIC. They want us to make things happen that only a god could make happen; they expect miracles; the only honest statements many of them want from us are the ones that reassure them. If you think patient expectations (evidenced neatly in the comments above) play any less of a role in God complexes than physician education does, especially with patient satisfaction being such a huge market force, you are living in a fantasy world with fairies and unicorns and skeletons doing it doggy-style.

Big love,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PP&#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry I&#8217;m late to the party. As a resident, I must point out that if I did &#8220;just my job,&#8221; or even talked about it as &#8220;just a job,&#8221; I&#8217;d get fucking fired&#8211;or at the very least, talked to in a hushed tone.</p>
<p>Patients want us to be MAGIC. They want us to make things happen that only a god could make happen; they expect miracles; the only honest statements many of them want from us are the ones that reassure them. If you think patient expectations (evidenced neatly in the comments above) play any less of a role in God complexes than physician education does, especially with patient satisfaction being such a huge market force, you are living in a fantasy world with fairies and unicorns and skeletons doing it doggy-style.</p>
<p>Big love,<br />
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-195112</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting take on the medical community - even though I don&#039;t consider myself a &quot;feminist&quot;  -I find it so difficult to accept that there are such bad apples in such an honorable profession

I have experienced horrific treatment by several drs. which I will not post as yet - but will later.  [you don&#039;t want to miss it because it will curl your hair - or straighten it LOL]

Just wanted to comment that the Dr. K post is one example of a certified registered &quot;a-hole&quot; of a doctor.

It doesn&#039;t matter one wit - if women&#039;s bodies &quot;bore you&quot; 
What matters is the respect each human deserves.

With a comment like yours, you don&#039;t deserve any at all 

[please, God - let him not be a dr. in my community!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting take on the medical community &#8211; even though I don&#8217;t consider myself a &#8220;feminist&#8221;  -I find it so difficult to accept that there are such bad apples in such an honorable profession</p>
<p>I have experienced horrific treatment by several drs. which I will not post as yet &#8211; but will later.  [you don't want to miss it because it will curl your hair - or straighten it LOL]</p>
<p>Just wanted to comment that the Dr. K post is one example of a certified registered &#8220;a-hole&#8221; of a doctor.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter one wit &#8211; if women&#8217;s bodies &#8220;bore you&#8221;<br />
What matters is the respect each human deserves.</p>
<p>With a comment like yours, you don&#8217;t deserve any at all </p>
<p>[please, God - let him not be a dr. in my community!]</p>
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		<title>By: Autonomy, Paternalism and Colleagues Gone Wild &#171; Modern Mitzvot</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-194208</link>
		<dc:creator>Autonomy, Paternalism and Colleagues Gone Wild &#171; Modern Mitzvot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] distinguish between their own desires and their professional obligations. And I also agree with PhysioProf about the culture of arrogance that still pervades medical training, especially surgical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gracie287</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-194122</link>
		<dc:creator>Gracie287</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I&#039;d take this a whole lot more seriously if this wasn&#039;t coming from a Physiology prof.  During the basic science years of my med school (yes, I am a physician, I admit my bias), we medical students were constantly harangued by our Physiology, Biochemistry and Cell Biology profs for being &quot;too stupid&quot;.  Despite the fact that we had neither the same academic background nor were taking the same courses as the PhD students (PhD students have the luxury of specializing in often very specific fields, whereas medical students and premed undergrads have to take a wide variety of courses in a wide variety of fields and don&#039;t get an opportunity to specialize until residency or later), it seemed that many of our basic science profs were holding us to the same standards to which they held advanced PhD students - and when we inevitably failed to meet those standards (daring, for instance, to ask the prof to clarify a concept), we were told that every last medical student was unworthy of the basic science profs&#039; genius.

PhysioProf sounds &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; like the Physiology, Biochemistry and Cell Biology profs I had in med school.  Hopefully they represent a minority of basic science PhD&#039;s - unlike some people I try not to generalize an entire professon based only on a few people I have personally met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I&#8217;d take this a whole lot more seriously if this wasn&#8217;t coming from a Physiology prof.  During the basic science years of my med school (yes, I am a physician, I admit my bias), we medical students were constantly harangued by our Physiology, Biochemistry and Cell Biology profs for being &#8220;too stupid&#8221;.  Despite the fact that we had neither the same academic background nor were taking the same courses as the PhD students (PhD students have the luxury of specializing in often very specific fields, whereas medical students and premed undergrads have to take a wide variety of courses in a wide variety of fields and don&#8217;t get an opportunity to specialize until residency or later), it seemed that many of our basic science profs were holding us to the same standards to which they held advanced PhD students &#8211; and when we inevitably failed to meet those standards (daring, for instance, to ask the prof to clarify a concept), we were told that every last medical student was unworthy of the basic science profs&#8217; genius.</p>
<p>PhysioProf sounds <i>exactly</i> like the Physiology, Biochemistry and Cell Biology profs I had in med school.  Hopefully they represent a minority of basic science PhD&#8217;s &#8211; unlike some people I try not to generalize an entire professon based only on a few people I have personally met.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-194053</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I agree that the surgeon mentioned was unprofessional in the extreme.  I do take issue with the notion that all doctors think they are God because they have a medical degree.

I have never met a doctor who treated me with anything but respect and kindness.  I have never felt looked down upon in a doctor&#039;s office.  You people who claim that good doctors are the exception to the rule have got it all wrong.  Crappy doctors are the exception.  (For the record I am not a physician and I have been to a lot of different doctors because I moved around a lot when I was younger.)

Also, I don&#039;t understand the whole doctors having power trips notion.  The way I see it doctors are there to help me feel better.  I&#039;m the one with the power.  I can ask as many questions as I want.  I can tell the doctor I don&#039;t want to take that medication.  I can refuse a treatment.  I might be wrong, but it&#039;s still my choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I agree that the surgeon mentioned was unprofessional in the extreme.  I do take issue with the notion that all doctors think they are God because they have a medical degree.</p>
<p>I have never met a doctor who treated me with anything but respect and kindness.  I have never felt looked down upon in a doctor&#8217;s office.  You people who claim that good doctors are the exception to the rule have got it all wrong.  Crappy doctors are the exception.  (For the record I am not a physician and I have been to a lot of different doctors because I moved around a lot when I was younger.)</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t understand the whole doctors having power trips notion.  The way I see it doctors are there to help me feel better.  I&#8217;m the one with the power.  I can ask as many questions as I want.  I can tell the doctor I don&#8217;t want to take that medication.  I can refuse a treatment.  I might be wrong, but it&#8217;s still my choice.</p>
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		<title>By: thegrumpyskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>thegrumpyskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome thread, got to see lots of neat ideas tossed around, but as many people have already stated isn&#039;t taking a bunch of anecdotal evidence from a bunch of people using confirmation biased....well biased. There seems to be a lot of anti health care/massive rise in psuedos medicine. There will be lots of people with gripes against docs. It&#039;s akin to saying all mexicans love tacos, because based on my anecdotal eveidence, well Im mexican i l ove tacos, so is my brother, and my son. hmmm that means all mexicans love tacos. As we see this form of logic is to say off? We all know that not all mexicans love tacos. So see the bigger picture physioprof hates docs, and I like.....hrmm...love tacos, thanks for taking time to read (im sorry if some spelling is bad it&#039;s 2:30 AM brain not running on full speed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome thread, got to see lots of neat ideas tossed around, but as many people have already stated isn&#8217;t taking a bunch of anecdotal evidence from a bunch of people using confirmation biased&#8230;.well biased. There seems to be a lot of anti health care/massive rise in psuedos medicine. There will be lots of people with gripes against docs. It&#8217;s akin to saying all mexicans love tacos, because based on my anecdotal eveidence, well Im mexican i l ove tacos, so is my brother, and my son. hmmm that means all mexicans love tacos. As we see this form of logic is to say off? We all know that not all mexicans love tacos. So see the bigger picture physioprof hates docs, and I like&#8230;..hrmm&#8230;love tacos, thanks for taking time to read (im sorry if some spelling is bad it&#8217;s 2:30 AM brain not running on full speed)</p>
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		<title>By: weing</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/23/more-on-medical-battery/#comment-193854</link>
		<dc:creator>weing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any communication is a two way street.  If you are going to be disrespectful to the doctor, he will ultimately be disrespectful to you.  Your attitude toward physicians will be picked up by him/her.  Maybe some of you, including Physioprof, should shadow an intern or resident for a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any communication is a two way street.  If you are going to be disrespectful to the doctor, he will ultimately be disrespectful to you.  Your attitude toward physicians will be picked up by him/her.  Maybe some of you, including Physioprof, should shadow an intern or resident for a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call BS.  Yeah, some doctors are arrogant pricks.  Doctors are, after all, people -- and some people are arrogant pricks as well.

I&#039;m in no way a medical professional (I&#039;m a computer geek), but my family often trusts me to go with them when visiting a doctor (or lawyer, etc.) to be an attentive note-taker.  Given the severe problems that have arisen in my family (from which, thankfully, I have mostly been spared so far), I&#039;ve had more opportunity to speak and interact with members of the medical profession across various specialties than most.

I&#039;ve encountered a few jerks.  Vastly more often, though, my family and I were treated with respect, concern, and courtesy.  The only general criticism I have of the medical profession is how *rushed* everyone was; but even so, most were understanding and willing to answer any and all questions about treatments, risks, alternatives, and so on.  Many times I&#039;ve had professionals tell me &quot;I think it&#039;s this, but it&#039;s hard to diagnose; I suggest you get a second opinion&quot;.

Perhaps instead of railing against the whole profession -- which, by the way, immediately condemned this surgeon for his actions -- we should focus our outrage on the individuals within it that treat people poorly.

Put another way, if your doctor is a jerk, TELL HIM (or her) -- then go see another doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call BS.  Yeah, some doctors are arrogant pricks.  Doctors are, after all, people &#8212; and some people are arrogant pricks as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in no way a medical professional (I&#8217;m a computer geek), but my family often trusts me to go with them when visiting a doctor (or lawyer, etc.) to be an attentive note-taker.  Given the severe problems that have arisen in my family (from which, thankfully, I have mostly been spared so far), I&#8217;ve had more opportunity to speak and interact with members of the medical profession across various specialties than most.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve encountered a few jerks.  Vastly more often, though, my family and I were treated with respect, concern, and courtesy.  The only general criticism I have of the medical profession is how *rushed* everyone was; but even so, most were understanding and willing to answer any and all questions about treatments, risks, alternatives, and so on.  Many times I&#8217;ve had professionals tell me &#8220;I think it&#8217;s this, but it&#8217;s hard to diagnose; I suggest you get a second opinion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps instead of railing against the whole profession &#8212; which, by the way, immediately condemned this surgeon for his actions &#8212; we should focus our outrage on the individuals within it that treat people poorly.</p>
<p>Put another way, if your doctor is a jerk, TELL HIM (or her) &#8212; then go see another doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Cronan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cronan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m met a lot of doctors, surgeons and other medical folks in my 39 years, and the vast majority displayed concern about me, listened to me (for not as long as I liked, but they did listen), and tried their best to help me. Funnily enough, most of them seemed to have entered the field because they wanted to help people, and it showed. Sure, I&#039;ve met a few jerks too, but only a few.

Does anyone think there might be some confirmation bias going on here, both in the original posting and the majority of the comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m met a lot of doctors, surgeons and other medical folks in my 39 years, and the vast majority displayed concern about me, listened to me (for not as long as I liked, but they did listen), and tried their best to help me. Funnily enough, most of them seemed to have entered the field because they wanted to help people, and it showed. Sure, I&#8217;ve met a few jerks too, but only a few.</p>
<p>Does anyone think there might be some confirmation bias going on here, both in the original posting and the majority of the comments?</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Doctor Bashing</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroLogica Blog &#187; Doctor Bashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that, in my opinion, is exactly what PhysioProf was engaged in when writing this post. He was reacting to a news story about an orthopedic surgeon who was placing, without consent, [...]</description>
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