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	<title>Comments on: Rape Jokes Aren&#8217;t Funny, Nigel Lythgoe</title>
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		<title>By: Why Rape Jokes Aren&#8217;t Funny &#171; Gallivant by POPPY GALLICO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Rape Jokes Aren&#8217;t Funny &#171; Gallivant by POPPY GALLICO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to take my word for it.  Just Google &#8216;why rape jokes aren&#8217;t funny&#8216;.  You really don&#8217;t need to take my word for it, when so many other amazing, strong feminists have written about it.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to take my word for it.  Just Google &#8216;why rape jokes aren&#8217;t funny&#8216;.  You really don&#8217;t need to take my word for it, when so many other amazing, strong feminists have written about it.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KaeLyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaeLyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, for real.  They are constantly racist on that show.  I cringe whenever a hip hop routine comes on because I know there will be some really offensive comments and jokes coming.  Apparently black men are big, sexual, masculine, animalistic, hardcore beasts that come from the street.  And white girls are delicate flowers from the suburbs.  And white boys...well, white boys that dance are probably gay and need to butch it up to make it.  Yeah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, for real.  They are constantly racist on that show.  I cringe whenever a hip hop routine comes on because I know there will be some really offensive comments and jokes coming.  Apparently black men are big, sexual, masculine, animalistic, hardcore beasts that come from the street.  And white girls are delicate flowers from the suburbs.  And white boys&#8230;well, white boys that dance are probably gay and need to butch it up to make it.  Yeah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this comment is probably coming too late to be noticed by anyone - but here goes: (oh, and I didn&#039;t read the entire comment thread, so I apologize if it&#039;s already been said) I am also an avid watcher of the show and I saw Nigel make that comment and cringed!  It was totally inappropriate, especially the part where he turns it on Mary Murphy.  

The other thing that pissed me off about that particular episode - at least, I think it was that one - was the guest judge...what&#039;s her name, stereotypical dance teacher with the emaciated face and the high pony tail (black hair).  She made a totally racist comment(s) to Twitch about how he was better equipped to dance one of the numbers because the music was blues, or jazz, or whatever (sorry, I can&#039;t remember the exact details) and he was &quot;street&quot; so he knew how to feel the music from the inside out and really get down!  ok - so all of that is based on my vague recollections of what she actually said, but what I got from it was that his blackness, animal like, street living, whatever - helped him really get into the piece and master it....unlike his counterparts on broadway or his partner, whose middle class upbringing just wouldn&#039;t allow her to &quot;get it&quot; like he did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this comment is probably coming too late to be noticed by anyone &#8211; but here goes: (oh, and I didn&#8217;t read the entire comment thread, so I apologize if it&#8217;s already been said) I am also an avid watcher of the show and I saw Nigel make that comment and cringed!  It was totally inappropriate, especially the part where he turns it on Mary Murphy.  </p>
<p>The other thing that pissed me off about that particular episode &#8211; at least, I think it was that one &#8211; was the guest judge&#8230;what&#8217;s her name, stereotypical dance teacher with the emaciated face and the high pony tail (black hair).  She made a totally racist comment(s) to Twitch about how he was better equipped to dance one of the numbers because the music was blues, or jazz, or whatever (sorry, I can&#8217;t remember the exact details) and he was &#8220;street&#8221; so he knew how to feel the music from the inside out and really get down!  ok &#8211; so all of that is based on my vague recollections of what she actually said, but what I got from it was that his blackness, animal like, street living, whatever &#8211; helped him really get into the piece and master it&#8230;.unlike his counterparts on broadway or his partner, whose middle class upbringing just wouldn&#8217;t allow her to &#8220;get it&#8221; like he did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>q girl, i&#039;m also distressed by your comments here. you too, dawn.

art ain&#039;t reality. you can have your own opinions. your interpretations are certainly valid.

but making her dance about rape is a violation of her artistic speech as a dancer. why is it that because she&#039;s a woman, some of you assume she must be the victim as well? why must this indicate domestic violence? that&#039;s far worse than nigel&#039;s comment, where at least he speaks for himself and supposedly fictional women, not real ones. i&#039;m not setting out to invalidate anyone&#039;s personal experiences, but it sickens me when women do this to each other. we consistently make each other into symbols of our own experience, instead of celebrating how many ways there are to be female.

that would be feminism. this is still objectifying a real woman, even if you think your way is better than her own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>q girl, i&#8217;m also distressed by your comments here. you too, dawn.</p>
<p>art ain&#8217;t reality. you can have your own opinions. your interpretations are certainly valid.</p>
<p>but making her dance about rape is a violation of her artistic speech as a dancer. why is it that because she&#8217;s a woman, some of you assume she must be the victim as well? why must this indicate domestic violence? that&#8217;s far worse than nigel&#8217;s comment, where at least he speaks for himself and supposedly fictional women, not real ones. i&#8217;m not setting out to invalidate anyone&#8217;s personal experiences, but it sickens me when women do this to each other. we consistently make each other into symbols of our own experience, instead of celebrating how many ways there are to be female.</p>
<p>that would be feminism. this is still objectifying a real woman, even if you think your way is better than her own.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously? I feel like the majority of you are completely overanalyzing the situation. Are Nigel&#039;s comments over the top? Yes. But it just baffles me how this is bleeding into the dance as well as Katee&#039;s performances throughout the show. It&#039;s overanalyzing like this, and the constant and unecessary ranting/argument building up against the dance/dancers/choreagraphy that turn away a lot of people from feminism. Now someone is going to read my comments and bash me about it but I think it&#039;s no good to find fault/wrong in absolutely everything. I&#039;m all for feminism, although I personally believe in equalism, it just irks me when any group has to nitpick things to argue about. I hope my words are understood and that I don&#039;t wish to start an uproar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously? I feel like the majority of you are completely overanalyzing the situation. Are Nigel&#8217;s comments over the top? Yes. But it just baffles me how this is bleeding into the dance as well as Katee&#8217;s performances throughout the show. It&#8217;s overanalyzing like this, and the constant and unecessary ranting/argument building up against the dance/dancers/choreagraphy that turn away a lot of people from feminism. Now someone is going to read my comments and bash me about it but I think it&#8217;s no good to find fault/wrong in absolutely everything. I&#8217;m all for feminism, although I personally believe in equalism, it just irks me when any group has to nitpick things to argue about. I hope my words are understood and that I don&#8217;t wish to start an uproar.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I sure wish I could read/see/hear the joke that&#039;s making all this fuss...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I sure wish I could read/see/hear the joke that&#8217;s making all this fuss&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/25/rape-jokes-arent-funny-nigel-lythgoe/#comment-193244</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dananddanica 

I&#039;m familiar with the research in this area.  The Bureau of Justice places a woman&#039;s risk of being the victim of domestic violence at six times than of a man&#039;s risk.

Women are also much more likely to be the victim of  murder or attempted murder and other more serious forms of abuse. 

Presenting the topic as entertainment, and then presenting it as a female aggressor, distorts the facts of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dananddanica </p>
<p>I&#8217;m familiar with the research in this area.  The Bureau of Justice places a woman&#8217;s risk of being the victim of domestic violence at six times than of a man&#8217;s risk.</p>
<p>Women are also much more likely to be the victim of  murder or attempted murder and other more serious forms of abuse. </p>
<p>Presenting the topic as entertainment, and then presenting it as a female aggressor, distorts the facts of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dance Fanatic,

Katee has to dance what she is given to dance, but the emphasis on her sexuality is a bit much, even for a show that slants towards &quot;hot young bodies doing sexy things.&quot;

Don&#039;t you find the constant themes of the dances created for Katee to be a bit over-sexualized at this point?  In the last two weeks (3/4 couples routines), she had a)you&#039;re a promiscuous woman who Will is trying to reform (created by Tyce Delorio); b) you&#039;re a psycho ex-girlfriend who won&#039;t let go of your relationship with Twitch (drafted by Mia Michaels); and c) you&#039;re an older woman pursuing a man who doesn&#039;t want you (the &quot;Sweet Georgia Brown&quot; routine created, I think, by Tyce.) 

The emphasis on her sexuality is sort of bizarre, especially for a dancer who defined her previous work as &quot;not very sexy.&quot;


(Of course, she got that lovely pas de deaux with Will, too, and fantastic roles in both the group Bollywood routine and the women&#039;s &quot;Ave Maria&quot; routine.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dance Fanatic,</p>
<p>Katee has to dance what she is given to dance, but the emphasis on her sexuality is a bit much, even for a show that slants towards &#8220;hot young bodies doing sexy things.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you find the constant themes of the dances created for Katee to be a bit over-sexualized at this point?  In the last two weeks (3/4 couples routines), she had a)you&#8217;re a promiscuous woman who Will is trying to reform (created by Tyce Delorio); b) you&#8217;re a psycho ex-girlfriend who won&#8217;t let go of your relationship with Twitch (drafted by Mia Michaels); and c) you&#8217;re an older woman pursuing a man who doesn&#8217;t want you (the &#8220;Sweet Georgia Brown&#8221; routine created, I think, by Tyce.) </p>
<p>The emphasis on her sexuality is sort of bizarre, especially for a dancer who defined her previous work as &#8220;not very sexy.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Of course, she got that lovely pas de deaux with Will, too, and fantastic roles in both the group Bollywood routine and the women&#8217;s &#8220;Ave Maria&#8221; routine.)</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/25/rape-jokes-arent-funny-nigel-lythgoe/#comment-193171</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the people trying to read something into the routine other than what it is (Katie keeps throwing herself at Twitch and he keeps pushing her away) please find a clip of the entire segment that discusses this dance.  The choreographer (Mia Michaels) and the dancers CLEARLY state the intent.  To watch the dance and try to read something into it which is clearly not it&#039;s intention is as myopic as the joke that Nigel made.  And do I think he was referring to rape?  Absolutely not.  Was it classless and probably not should have been made?  Yep.  But seriously, there are tons of worse things said on TV, the fact that this is drawing that much attention is baffling to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the people trying to read something into the routine other than what it is (Katie keeps throwing herself at Twitch and he keeps pushing her away) please find a clip of the entire segment that discusses this dance.  The choreographer (Mia Michaels) and the dancers CLEARLY state the intent.  To watch the dance and try to read something into it which is clearly not it&#8217;s intention is as myopic as the joke that Nigel made.  And do I think he was referring to rape?  Absolutely not.  Was it classless and probably not should have been made?  Yep.  But seriously, there are tons of worse things said on TV, the fact that this is drawing that much attention is baffling to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaanae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaanae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.  Everyone, take a deep breath, please.  I&#039;m a woman, and that dance, although very flail-ish, DID NOT say &quot;rape&quot; to me *at all*.  If anything, it said &quot;crazy, overbearing chick who can&#039;t take no for an answer&quot;. We&#039;ve all known (or have been!) someone like her at some point.  And even though Nigel has made some seriously inappropriate comments this season (like the one about Joshua&#039;s big butt...which I think is a TOTAL double standard that you find that comment acceptable), this wasn&#039;t an underhanded rape comment.  You people that make EVERYTHING into a rape/objectification/degradation issue need to not be so sensitive and overanalyze every little thing that you see/hear.  This was a dance choreographed by a WOMAN with zero rape connotations.  And it was a beautiful one at that.  

Nigel should be muted when he comes on TV, but NOT because he condones rape, like you think.  He meant that comment as a slam to himself (or at least that&#039;s how I heard it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  Everyone, take a deep breath, please.  I&#8217;m a woman, and that dance, although very flail-ish, DID NOT say &#8220;rape&#8221; to me *at all*.  If anything, it said &#8220;crazy, overbearing chick who can&#8217;t take no for an answer&#8221;. We&#8217;ve all known (or have been!) someone like her at some point.  And even though Nigel has made some seriously inappropriate comments this season (like the one about Joshua&#8217;s big butt&#8230;which I think is a TOTAL double standard that you find that comment acceptable), this wasn&#8217;t an underhanded rape comment.  You people that make EVERYTHING into a rape/objectification/degradation issue need to not be so sensitive and overanalyze every little thing that you see/hear.  This was a dance choreographed by a WOMAN with zero rape connotations.  And it was a beautiful one at that.  </p>
<p>Nigel should be muted when he comes on TV, but NOT because he condones rape, like you think.  He meant that comment as a slam to himself (or at least that&#8217;s how I heard it).</p>
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