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		<title>By: Knowing About Authors &#171; Life And Then Some</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-217965</link>
		<dc:creator>Knowing About Authors &#171; Life And Then Some</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Card.  It&#8217;s recently* gone around certain parts of the internet that he holds some opinions with which I do not agree**.  There was also an interesting analysis *** of the character of Ender [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Card.  It&#8217;s recently* gone around certain parts of the internet that he holds some opinions with which I do not agree**.  There was also an interesting analysis *** of the character of Ender [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Northern Lights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Orson Scott Card is [not] a Homophobe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-197699</link>
		<dc:creator>Northern Lights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Orson Scott Card is [not] a Homophobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Game, has long been vocal in his opinions on homosexuality&#8212;and, recently, despite social critics, he continues to speak his mind. A sampling of Card&#8217;s writing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Game, has long been vocal in his opinions on homosexuality&#8212;and, recently, despite social critics, he continues to speak his mind. A sampling of Card&#8217;s writing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James A Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-194092</link>
		<dc:creator>James A Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you present your argument without resorting to name-calling and misquoting Mr. Card? The use of such techniques implies that you know your argument is weak and want to bolster it with sensationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you present your argument without resorting to name-calling and misquoting Mr. Card? The use of such techniques implies that you know your argument is weak and want to bolster it with sensationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Speaking of Fascists and Homophobes &#171; The Crotchety Old Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-194038</link>
		<dc:creator>Speaking of Fascists and Homophobes &#171; The Crotchety Old Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and quickly got inundated.  Search results appeared from as far back as 2004 to as recently as yesterday.  The sites ranged from the respectable to what some might consider the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and quickly got inundated.  Search results appeared from as far back as 2004 to as recently as yesterday.  The sites ranged from the respectable to what some might consider the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: celticdragon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-193945</link>
		<dc:creator>celticdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like ottermat, I also live in Greensboro, NC where Mr Card resides.  He sometimes goes into the Walgreens where my spouse works.  Unfortunately, he does seem to be as much of an asshat as most folks here believe.  Sad, since I do like his &quot;Uncle Orson Reviews Everything&quot; column in the Rhino Times (a local newspsper), and I also like the original short story of &quot;Ender&#039;s Game&quot;.  (The novel was a waste.  The short story rocked.)

I have not met him as of yet, and being a transgendered woman, I have no doubt that he would disapprove of my &quot;life choices&quot; or some such.  Fair enough, but he can&#039;t seem to grasp the concept that agree or disagree...being a GLBT person really is none of his or anybody else&#039;s concern.  We don&#039;t get into HIS face.  He is far too busy getting into OURS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like ottermat, I also live in Greensboro, NC where Mr Card resides.  He sometimes goes into the Walgreens where my spouse works.  Unfortunately, he does seem to be as much of an asshat as most folks here believe.  Sad, since I do like his &#8220;Uncle Orson Reviews Everything&#8221; column in the Rhino Times (a local newspsper), and I also like the original short story of &#8220;Ender&#8217;s Game&#8221;.  (The novel was a waste.  The short story rocked.)</p>
<p>I have not met him as of yet, and being a transgendered woman, I have no doubt that he would disapprove of my &#8220;life choices&#8221; or some such.  Fair enough, but he can&#8217;t seem to grasp the concept that agree or disagree&#8230;being a GLBT person really is none of his or anybody else&#8217;s concern.  We don&#8217;t get into HIS face.  He is far too busy getting into OURS.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bushfire wrote:

&quot;The term “homophobic” is somewhat problematic, because the ending “phobic” is normally associated with psychopathologies, not just dislike.&quot;

But Orson Scott Card&#039;s rhetoric IS pathological.  He&#039;s NOT one of those people saying he disapproves of homosexuality, but is still willing to live and let live.  He&#039;s saying the law ought to be brought to bear on gays, to intimidate them and coerce them into invisibility and silence.  As long as you think potential jail-time is a valid punishment, you ARE &quot;homophobic,&quot; you&#039;re not merely &quot;heterosexist.&quot; 

There are some people who don&#039;t have friends of other races, and who would not consider dating a member of a different race.  But then there are people who actually long for the days of legalized racism, of segregation, of blacks shoved to the back of the bus.  The latter group ARE more pathological and more dangerous than the former.  The former are close-minded, but the latter are truly harmful and hateful.  Orson Scott Card DOES fall into the category of outright hate-monger, but is too dishonest with himself and his readers to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bushfire wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The term “homophobic” is somewhat problematic, because the ending “phobic” is normally associated with psychopathologies, not just dislike.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Orson Scott Card&#8217;s rhetoric IS pathological.  He&#8217;s NOT one of those people saying he disapproves of homosexuality, but is still willing to live and let live.  He&#8217;s saying the law ought to be brought to bear on gays, to intimidate them and coerce them into invisibility and silence.  As long as you think potential jail-time is a valid punishment, you ARE &#8220;homophobic,&#8221; you&#8217;re not merely &#8220;heterosexist.&#8221; </p>
<p>There are some people who don&#8217;t have friends of other races, and who would not consider dating a member of a different race.  But then there are people who actually long for the days of legalized racism, of segregation, of blacks shoved to the back of the bus.  The latter group ARE more pathological and more dangerous than the former.  The former are close-minded, but the latter are truly harmful and hateful.  Orson Scott Card DOES fall into the category of outright hate-monger, but is too dishonest with himself and his readers to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is shocking, and dismaying news, given what a ridiculous icon OSC is. I&#039;ve never read Ender&#039;s Game, but I did read Homecoming: Earth. Isn&#039;t there a scene where one of the young male characters gets sodomized by other boys? (or am I completely making this shit up?). Combine youth sexual violation with hatefulness toward gays and I think we&#039;ve got a case of literary projection here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is shocking, and dismaying news, given what a ridiculous icon OSC is. I&#8217;ve never read Ender&#8217;s Game, but I did read Homecoming: Earth. Isn&#8217;t there a scene where one of the young male characters gets sodomized by other boys? (or am I completely making this shit up?). Combine youth sexual violation with hatefulness toward gays and I think we&#8217;ve got a case of literary projection here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe says: Orson Scott Card is a hateful homophobe &#171; Readingtalkinglaughing</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/29/orson-scott-card-is-a-hateful-homophobe/#comment-193827</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe says: Orson Scott Card is a hateful homophobe &#171; Readingtalkinglaughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  I was glancing through a blog that I read regularly, Feministe, and ran across  this post on Orson Scott Card. Since we read Ender&#8217;s Game for bookclub, I thought everyone might find this interesting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  I was glancing through a blog that I read regularly, Feministe, and ran across  this post on Orson Scott Card. Since we read Ender&#8217;s Game for bookclub, I thought everyone might find this interesting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, believing that a tiny minority of human beings, &lt;i&gt;against all available evidence&lt;/i&gt;, is liable to &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;destroy all of civilization&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; if not stopped with the full force of law and custom - definitely a sign of irrational fears. 

So, yeah, homo&lt;b&gt;phobic&lt;/b&gt; you bet your ass!

(And as for the homophobic denialists who bleat &quot;but I just think it&#039;s WRONG/Sinful, I&#039;m not SCARED of Teh Gay!&quot; - well, yeah, and not going to church on Sunday is a sin for Christians, and not fasting before communion is a sin for Catholics, and remarrying after divorce is a sin, and drinking a wine cooler is a sin if you&#039;re Orson Scott Card or a lot of Baptists, but you don&#039;t hear OSC screeching about how the government needs to bring back the Volstead Act, do you? or demanding that th government and society ostracize divorcees and refuse to grant remarried het couples legal rights? 

And as for the homophobic denialists who bleat &quot;but I just think it&#039;s DISGUSTING, I&#039;m not SCARED of Teh Gay!&quot; - well, you can&#039;t legislate your squicks and only cranks think they should even have the right to do so. I personally consider eating raw shellfish to be so repulsive that I can&#039;t stand hearing about it, and find it hard to feel sorry for people who get food poisoning from it, because what normal person would do that? But I recognize that a) that&#039;s just me (and yeah, a lot of other people, but so what?) and how does Joe or Jayi eating oysters raw harm me, really? and b) there is no public health menace in people choosing to eat raw oysters, even if there are sometimes algae risks etc. involved. People choke to death on cooked fishbones or meatballs, too. So, no, if you&#039;re trying to ban rights for your GLBT fellow citizens, then you&#039;re homophobic, not just ooked out by the thought of M/M or F/F intercourse, not just afraid for their immortal souls...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, believing that a tiny minority of human beings, <i>against all available evidence</i>, is liable to <i><b>destroy all of civilization</b></i> if not stopped with the full force of law and custom &#8211; definitely a sign of irrational fears. </p>
<p>So, yeah, homo<b>phobic</b> you bet your ass!</p>
<p>(And as for the homophobic denialists who bleat &#8220;but I just think it&#8217;s WRONG/Sinful, I&#8217;m not SCARED of Teh Gay!&#8221; &#8211; well, yeah, and not going to church on Sunday is a sin for Christians, and not fasting before communion is a sin for Catholics, and remarrying after divorce is a sin, and drinking a wine cooler is a sin if you&#8217;re Orson Scott Card or a lot of Baptists, but you don&#8217;t hear OSC screeching about how the government needs to bring back the Volstead Act, do you? or demanding that th government and society ostracize divorcees and refuse to grant remarried het couples legal rights? </p>
<p>And as for the homophobic denialists who bleat &#8220;but I just think it&#8217;s DISGUSTING, I&#8217;m not SCARED of Teh Gay!&#8221; &#8211; well, you can&#8217;t legislate your squicks and only cranks think they should even have the right to do so. I personally consider eating raw shellfish to be so repulsive that I can&#8217;t stand hearing about it, and find it hard to feel sorry for people who get food poisoning from it, because what normal person would do that? But I recognize that a) that&#8217;s just me (and yeah, a lot of other people, but so what?) and how does Joe or Jayi eating oysters raw harm me, really? and b) there is no public health menace in people choosing to eat raw oysters, even if there are sometimes algae risks etc. involved. People choke to death on cooked fishbones or meatballs, too. So, no, if you&#8217;re trying to ban rights for your GLBT fellow citizens, then you&#8217;re homophobic, not just ooked out by the thought of M/M or F/F intercourse, not just afraid for their immortal souls&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bushfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bushfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being queer doesn&#039;t make one automatically responsible for educating the masses about human sexuality.  There are books/websites/courses/pamphlets/presentations/movies for that. The fence sitters can do whatever the fuck they want- if they are smart they&#039;ll make education opinions based on facts, and if they&#039;re not smart, then we probably couldn&#039;t reach them anyway.  

&quot;I’m seeing people saying that using the word ‘homophobe’ to describe people like Card may hurt the fight for gay rights because people like him can twist the word to make it seem like they are the ones who are victims (as Card does in his article).&quot;

This is like saying &quot;if feminists would just be nicer, then maybe more people would listen to them&quot;.   The person in question is definitely homophobic.  Even if we were to agree that the word means a Freudian-style &quot;irrational fear&quot; (which it doesn&#039;t) I would still argue that he is homophobic.  There has to be something really wrong with a person when they intentionally terrorize a group of people whom they know barely anything about just because they seem kind of &quot;icky&quot;.  

You know what IS icky?  This concept of defining who is and is not mentally ill.  Victims of oppression are labelled &quot;depressed&quot; when they have a reasonable and unavoidable emotional reaction to their oppression (and then are sold drugs, as if it will help with the oppression), but the the people who terrorize, demonize and exploit others receive no label.  I saw we describe them as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being queer doesn&#8217;t make one automatically responsible for educating the masses about human sexuality.  There are books/websites/courses/pamphlets/presentations/movies for that. The fence sitters can do whatever the fuck they want- if they are smart they&#8217;ll make education opinions based on facts, and if they&#8217;re not smart, then we probably couldn&#8217;t reach them anyway.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I’m seeing people saying that using the word ‘homophobe’ to describe people like Card may hurt the fight for gay rights because people like him can twist the word to make it seem like they are the ones who are victims (as Card does in his article).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is like saying &#8220;if feminists would just be nicer, then maybe more people would listen to them&#8221;.   The person in question is definitely homophobic.  Even if we were to agree that the word means a Freudian-style &#8220;irrational fear&#8221; (which it doesn&#8217;t) I would still argue that he is homophobic.  There has to be something really wrong with a person when they intentionally terrorize a group of people whom they know barely anything about just because they seem kind of &#8220;icky&#8221;.  </p>
<p>You know what IS icky?  This concept of defining who is and is not mentally ill.  Victims of oppression are labelled &#8220;depressed&#8221; when they have a reasonable and unavoidable emotional reaction to their oppression (and then are sold drugs, as if it will help with the oppression), but the the people who terrorize, demonize and exploit others receive no label.  I saw we describe them as they are.</p>
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