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		<title>By: three rivers fog</title>
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		<dc:creator>three rivers fog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] understandable why a person would want treatment for them, much as I still wish I could get braces. I&#8217;ve had veins pop out on my hands at various times in my life, and it was always [...]</description>
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		<title>By: three rivers fog &#187; *tumbleweeds*</title>
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		<dc:creator>three rivers fog &#187; *tumbleweeds*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FrumiousB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrumiousB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight teeth are totally a mark of privilege, you will get no arguments from me there.  Reading this thread, I get the feeling that many people see crooked teeth as not just a sign of poverty, but also no big deal medically speaking.  I have to disagree with that one.  Crooked teeth, especially overbites and underbites, can cause trouble with chewing later in life.  A person with severely misaligned teeth has a good chance of eating mush when they are elderly, and there are serious health and nourishment consequences (not to mention quality of life) from limiting your diet to food which has to be gummed.  I&#039;ve been there with the head gear, something called a lip bumper, brackets, and a retainer.  I&#039;ve had stuff glued to  my teeth for longer than I didn&#039;t have stuff glued to my teeth, and in my uncool middle-age, I realize that all the teasing was totally worth it for the way my teeth fit together.  I really wish more people would see crooked teeth as a medical problem with possible deleterious effects and treat it if they gain the means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight teeth are totally a mark of privilege, you will get no arguments from me there.  Reading this thread, I get the feeling that many people see crooked teeth as not just a sign of poverty, but also no big deal medically speaking.  I have to disagree with that one.  Crooked teeth, especially overbites and underbites, can cause trouble with chewing later in life.  A person with severely misaligned teeth has a good chance of eating mush when they are elderly, and there are serious health and nourishment consequences (not to mention quality of life) from limiting your diet to food which has to be gummed.  I&#8217;ve been there with the head gear, something called a lip bumper, brackets, and a retainer.  I&#8217;ve had stuff glued to  my teeth for longer than I didn&#8217;t have stuff glued to my teeth, and in my uncool middle-age, I realize that all the teasing was totally worth it for the way my teeth fit together.  I really wish more people would see crooked teeth as a medical problem with possible deleterious effects and treat it if they gain the means.</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to guess about Native American ancestry and any relationship to acne, it would be that certain minor allergies are somewhat more prevalent than in folks of Anglo stock.  One of the more common things they tell you if you&#039;ve got problematic breakouts is to try cutting back on things dairy.  Supposedly the reaction a mild intolerance can produce is capable of throwing your sebaceous glands into overdrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to guess about Native American ancestry and any relationship to acne, it would be that certain minor allergies are somewhat more prevalent than in folks of Anglo stock.  One of the more common things they tell you if you&#8217;ve got problematic breakouts is to try cutting back on things dairy.  Supposedly the reaction a mild intolerance can produce is capable of throwing your sebaceous glands into overdrive.</p>
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		<title>By: denelian</title>
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		<dc:creator>denelian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first off - and please note, this is only my experience. but, the question above:
&lt;i&gt;in areas where there are a lot of native americans is having acne percieved differently?&lt;/i&gt;

erm... i don&#039;t know what tribe your guy is, no one in my family really had much acne, and to be honest (which is kinda cringe worthy) on this is one i was able to win - the more acne someone had, the more &quot;white&quot; they were, and while i was really really pale as a teen (not when i was little, i was really dark as a kid, but my porphyria kicked in when i was 9-10 and by the time i was 12 i was PALE), i didn&#039;t have acne, so my cousins were therefor somewhat more willing to treat less as a Pariah. i don&#039;t actually really know any Native Americans that aren&#039;t Cherokee, so maybe its different for other tribes??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first off &#8211; and please note, this is only my experience. but, the question above:<br />
<i>in areas where there are a lot of native americans is having acne percieved differently?</i></p>
<p>erm&#8230; i don&#8217;t know what tribe your guy is, no one in my family really had much acne, and to be honest (which is kinda cringe worthy) on this is one i was able to win &#8211; the more acne someone had, the more &#8220;white&#8221; they were, and while i was really really pale as a teen (not when i was little, i was really dark as a kid, but my porphyria kicked in when i was 9-10 and by the time i was 12 i was PALE), i didn&#8217;t have acne, so my cousins were therefor somewhat more willing to treat less as a Pariah. i don&#8217;t actually really know any Native Americans that aren&#8217;t Cherokee, so maybe its different for other tribes??</p>
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		<title>By: laurenamillion</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurenamillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from a pretty agro area of northern california, and my extremely class-conscious mother was insistent about my dental/acne treatment.  I had braces for five years, oral surgery because one tooth grew in weird, and pre-emptive acne treatment where I went on accutane at age 11.  I still got acne, because I basically stopped taking the medication when the skin on my face fell off.  I remember going to the dermatologist with my mom and her pointing out this scar I have on my arm (I think I tried to shave my arms when I was like 7 and cut myself pretty badly - a result of my interpretation that girls should be hairless) and the dermatologist was like, &quot;well, we can&#039;t all be perfect!&quot; and said he couldn&#039;t really do anything about it.  My mom was super offended - he basically illustrated the fact that I was a kid and she was trying to perfect all my flaws.  Pretty amazing for a dermatologist, who&#039;s survival depends on people like her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from a pretty agro area of northern california, and my extremely class-conscious mother was insistent about my dental/acne treatment.  I had braces for five years, oral surgery because one tooth grew in weird, and pre-emptive acne treatment where I went on accutane at age 11.  I still got acne, because I basically stopped taking the medication when the skin on my face fell off.  I remember going to the dermatologist with my mom and her pointing out this scar I have on my arm (I think I tried to shave my arms when I was like 7 and cut myself pretty badly &#8211; a result of my interpretation that girls should be hairless) and the dermatologist was like, &#8220;well, we can&#8217;t all be perfect!&#8221; and said he couldn&#8217;t really do anything about it.  My mom was super offended &#8211; he basically illustrated the fact that I was a kid and she was trying to perfect all my flaws.  Pretty amazing for a dermatologist, who&#8217;s survival depends on people like her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I both got braces and took acne medication after my mom persuaded me to. I wouldn&#039;t have thought to on my own. I figured the acne would just go away and my teeth weren&#039;t so bad. Now that I have mostly clear skin I must say it&#039;s nice to be able to scratch my back without worrying about a bit of blood going on my shirt. My back is a lot less itchy now anyway. 

On a sidenote, I&#039;m surprised so many people go to a dermatologist for acne. My family doctor prescribed me medication for that as well as birth control pills. I&#039;ve only ever seen an ear specialist. 

To anyone with psoriasis or something like it, a cousin of mine had pretty bad psoriasis which no doctor can get rid of and finally she tried a natural soap that is supposed to help and she says it&#039;s gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I both got braces and took acne medication after my mom persuaded me to. I wouldn&#8217;t have thought to on my own. I figured the acne would just go away and my teeth weren&#8217;t so bad. Now that I have mostly clear skin I must say it&#8217;s nice to be able to scratch my back without worrying about a bit of blood going on my shirt. My back is a lot less itchy now anyway. </p>
<p>On a sidenote, I&#8217;m surprised so many people go to a dermatologist for acne. My family doctor prescribed me medication for that as well as birth control pills. I&#8217;ve only ever seen an ear specialist. </p>
<p>To anyone with psoriasis or something like it, a cousin of mine had pretty bad psoriasis which no doctor can get rid of and finally she tried a natural soap that is supposed to help and she says it&#8217;s gone.</p>
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		<title>By: selkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>selkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, this was so interesting ...

I had both - bad skin and bad teeth - but thank god for canadian medicare vis-a-vis the skin - becuase you know what, bad skin can impact your LIFE when you&#039;re hitting puberty.  I mean, not a few pimples, but ACNE - so bad that you look in the mirror and want to die becuas all you see are oozing craters, red angry mountains and on top of that - it HURTS.

But medicare dealt with the dermotologist. My second daughter hit puberty at 9 - by 10 her skin was so bad that there were days I let her stay home from school - again, thank god for medicare - AND no scarring either!  It affects self-esteem, sense of self - and I am eternally grateful for our canadian medical system.

I also had braces back in the late 60s, early 70s when no-one did - and yes, it was unusual and we were FAR from rich - but we lived on a tiny island in the caribbean at the time and one of our neighbours was an orthodontist ... my father worked out a deal with him that he would design his cottage back in canada for the price of the braces.  When we moved back to Canada, I spent years going back and forth (3 hour drive each way) to him while my dad finished up the plans for his cottage (and no, my dad was not rich, he was a great architect and a REALLY REALLY LOUSY businessman!).

All four of my kids had them - and no, they weren&#039;t covered - but again, had I left them, I truly believe their sense of self would have been massively, negatively impacted - becuase like me, their teeth are big and there are too many of them in a small mouth - you end up not with just crooked teeth, but teeth growing in front, behind each other, twisting to one side ... etc.

I worked lots and lots of overtime to ensure they were given a chance to have them - and have no regrets at all.

and it is interesting that while it was totally unsual to have them when I was a kid - and was in fact TORMENTED (railway tracks, metal mouth, you name it was called) - it was almost seen as  a rite of passage now - and really a &quot;cool&quot; thing!

mind you, they look a hell of a lot better now too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, this was so interesting &#8230;</p>
<p>I had both &#8211; bad skin and bad teeth &#8211; but thank god for canadian medicare vis-a-vis the skin &#8211; becuase you know what, bad skin can impact your LIFE when you&#8217;re hitting puberty.  I mean, not a few pimples, but ACNE &#8211; so bad that you look in the mirror and want to die becuas all you see are oozing craters, red angry mountains and on top of that &#8211; it HURTS.</p>
<p>But medicare dealt with the dermotologist. My second daughter hit puberty at 9 &#8211; by 10 her skin was so bad that there were days I let her stay home from school &#8211; again, thank god for medicare &#8211; AND no scarring either!  It affects self-esteem, sense of self &#8211; and I am eternally grateful for our canadian medical system.</p>
<p>I also had braces back in the late 60s, early 70s when no-one did &#8211; and yes, it was unusual and we were FAR from rich &#8211; but we lived on a tiny island in the caribbean at the time and one of our neighbours was an orthodontist &#8230; my father worked out a deal with him that he would design his cottage back in canada for the price of the braces.  When we moved back to Canada, I spent years going back and forth (3 hour drive each way) to him while my dad finished up the plans for his cottage (and no, my dad was not rich, he was a great architect and a REALLY REALLY LOUSY businessman!).</p>
<p>All four of my kids had them &#8211; and no, they weren&#8217;t covered &#8211; but again, had I left them, I truly believe their sense of self would have been massively, negatively impacted &#8211; becuase like me, their teeth are big and there are too many of them in a small mouth &#8211; you end up not with just crooked teeth, but teeth growing in front, behind each other, twisting to one side &#8230; etc.</p>
<p>I worked lots and lots of overtime to ensure they were given a chance to have them &#8211; and have no regrets at all.</p>
<p>and it is interesting that while it was totally unsual to have them when I was a kid &#8211; and was in fact TORMENTED (railway tracks, metal mouth, you name it was called) &#8211; it was almost seen as  a rite of passage now &#8211; and really a &#8220;cool&#8221; thing!</p>
<p>mind you, they look a hell of a lot better now too!</p>
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		<title>By: Lhasaluck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lhasaluck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents fought for years about getting braces for myself or my brother. My father thought straight teeth were more important for a girl, my mother insisted it the right of the eldest to have his teeth done first. In the end, neither of us got our teeth straightened. Now in our 50&#039;s it just doesn&#039;t seem to matter.

I was lucky not to have to deal with acne as a teenager but now as an adult have developed rosacea.  I would not be able to lead any thing resembling a normal life without treatment. Being able to &quot;fix&quot; cosmetic problems is definitely a class issue. I dread the time we seem to be coming into when only the wealthy will be able to afford medical care of any sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents fought for years about getting braces for myself or my brother. My father thought straight teeth were more important for a girl, my mother insisted it the right of the eldest to have his teeth done first. In the end, neither of us got our teeth straightened. Now in our 50&#8242;s it just doesn&#8217;t seem to matter.</p>
<p>I was lucky not to have to deal with acne as a teenager but now as an adult have developed rosacea.  I would not be able to lead any thing resembling a normal life without treatment. Being able to &#8220;fix&#8221; cosmetic problems is definitely a class issue. I dread the time we seem to be coming into when only the wealthy will be able to afford medical care of any sort.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren O. is right on. I most definitely would have considered the dermatologist a luxury if i had not suffered from disfiguring acne. Like crooked teeth, severe acne can limit a person--I sure felt crippled in some ways and was (in regard to scars, I still am) always self-conscious. But unlike teeth, bad acne can&#039;t be covered up (women may have makeup, but this only works to a point; men have it worse). 

Besides acne, dermatologists treat everything from hair loss, nail fungus, psoriasis, eczema, etc. Each of these conditions is limiting in its own way. I know in my case, even though my family was not at all well-off, but just lucky enough not to be poor. It was a bit of a financial hardship to go through treatment (including Accutane), but I know I would have done it if it were even remotely possible. I think it&#039;s one of those things where you can&#039;t imagine yourself in such a position and so you think it&#039;s superfluous and cosmetic. But dermatologists exist for a reason, whether or not you happen to be aware of the reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren O. is right on. I most definitely would have considered the dermatologist a luxury if i had not suffered from disfiguring acne. Like crooked teeth, severe acne can limit a person&#8211;I sure felt crippled in some ways and was (in regard to scars, I still am) always self-conscious. But unlike teeth, bad acne can&#8217;t be covered up (women may have makeup, but this only works to a point; men have it worse). </p>
<p>Besides acne, dermatologists treat everything from hair loss, nail fungus, psoriasis, eczema, etc. Each of these conditions is limiting in its own way. I know in my case, even though my family was not at all well-off, but just lucky enough not to be poor. It was a bit of a financial hardship to go through treatment (including Accutane), but I know I would have done it if it were even remotely possible. I think it&#8217;s one of those things where you can&#8217;t imagine yourself in such a position and so you think it&#8217;s superfluous and cosmetic. But dermatologists exist for a reason, whether or not you happen to be aware of the reason.</p>
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