Comments on: The women still in the race http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:24:43 +0000 hourly 1 By: amandaw http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195320 amandaw Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:35:38 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195320 Oh, Bullcaca. People, especially "high information" politically minded white middle class <i>men</i>, have been telling the rest of us for ages: "Oh, shush up about your silly little lady concerns, dears, we have more important matters to tend to, and you wouldn't want to lose Roe now would you?" If they want my vote so bad, why don't they do something to EARN it for a change. Oh, Bullcaca. People, especially “high information” politically minded white middle class men, have been telling the rest of us for ages: “Oh, shush up about your silly little lady concerns, dears, we have more important matters to tend to, and you wouldn’t want to lose Roe now would you?”

If they want my vote so bad, why don’t they do something to EARN it for a change.

]]> By: Mike http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195316 Mike Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:21:03 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195316 To echo some commenters above, unless and until the electoral system is changed, voting for a third party just hurts the causes you believe in. And does nothing to help build third parties. You aren't building a movement, you are helping the GOP win and trash the country. @ Kathrine: The three-parties crammed into a two-party system that prevails in the UK is disastrous for progressives. It allowed Thatcher to dominate the country for over a decade, without the Tories ever winning a majority of the popular vote. If, Heaven-forbid, the US Greens should ever achieve the level of support that the Lib-Dems enjoy in the UK, under our current system, the US would be condemned to permanent Republican rule. To echo some commenters above, unless and until the electoral system is changed, voting for a third party just hurts the causes you believe in. And does nothing to help build third parties. You aren’t building a movement, you are helping the GOP win and trash the country.

@ Kathrine: The three-parties crammed into a two-party system that prevails in the UK is disastrous for progressives. It allowed Thatcher to dominate the country for over a decade, without the Tories ever winning a majority of the popular vote. If, Heaven-forbid, the US Greens should ever achieve the level of support that the Lib-Dems enjoy in the UK, under our current system, the US would be condemned to permanent Republican rule.

]]> By: urbanartiste http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195298 urbanartiste Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:49:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195298 You have got to be kidding me! To my standards Huckabee and Romney were nuts with their extreme religious discussion during the primaries. I don't agree with everything McKinney says, but some outlandish comments are allowed and others are not in the MSM. I don't even recall Nader ever being a viable part of the presidential election debates in my lifetime. The election is extremely controlled and I would love to see someone get elected that throws the MSM and two party system for a shock. You have got to be kidding me! To my standards Huckabee and Romney were nuts with their extreme religious discussion during the primaries. I don’t agree with everything McKinney says, but some outlandish comments are allowed and others are not in the MSM. I don’t even recall Nader ever being a viable part of the presidential election debates in my lifetime. The election is extremely controlled and I would love to see someone get elected that throws the MSM and two party system for a shock.

]]> By: Raging Moderate http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195277 Raging Moderate Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:22:30 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195277 "The fact that McKinney is a very vocal politician in general and has had no coverage from the MSM and notable liberal alternative media & print is outrageous!" First, I don't see much coverage of Bob Barr and his Libertarian Party in the MSM, but I'm pretty sure it's not because he's a woman. Second, she's a nut. Her 9/11 comments, her run in with the Capitol Police (where she struck the officer), and the lingering air of anti-semitism around her makes her a marginal politician at best. I can understand why liberal alternative media want nothing to do with her. “The fact that McKinney is a very vocal politician in general and has had no coverage from the MSM and notable liberal alternative media & print is outrageous!”

First, I don’t see much coverage of Bob Barr and his Libertarian Party in the MSM, but I’m pretty sure it’s not because he’s a woman.

Second, she’s a nut. Her 9/11 comments, her run in with the Capitol Police (where she struck the officer), and the lingering air of anti-semitism around her makes her a marginal politician at best. I can understand why liberal alternative media want nothing to do with her.

]]> By: Bloix http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195193 Bloix Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:36:38 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195193 McKinnwy can't even hold a congressional seat, for Chrissake. Why on earth does anyone think she's qualified to be president? She is a washed-up nonentity. Write in Batman if you don't want to vote for Obama, but don't waste your time with has-been failures. McKinnwy can’t even hold a congressional seat, for Chrissake. Why on earth does anyone think she’s qualified to be president? She is a washed-up nonentity. Write in Batman if you don’t want to vote for Obama, but don’t waste your time with has-been failures.

]]> By: Jack http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195176 Jack Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:47:04 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195176 The issue of McKinney and anti-Semitism has been troubling me, so I've been doing a lot of research and reading (including and beyond the things that Professor Black Woman posted in the link that juju provided.) In my searching and reading, I did find something that I thought was important to bring to the conversation: <a href="http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/blog.php?id=50" rel="nofollow">a statement on her 2006 campaign website</a> where she denounces the anti-Semitic comments made at her campaign office on election night in 2006. In the statement, she says: "The people who made those remarks were not associated with my campaign in any formal way, and I want to make clear from this hour that any informal ties between me and my campaign and anyone holding or espousing such views are cut and renounced." I'm not offering this up as a way to excuse everything or explain everything away. But I do think it's an important addition to the conversation, especially because it was so difficult to find: until I found the link, I hadn't heard any mention of McKinney publicly denouncing anti-Semitic statements in any way. The issue of McKinney and anti-Semitism has been troubling me, so I’ve been doing a lot of research and reading (including and beyond the things that Professor Black Woman posted in the link that juju provided.)

In my searching and reading, I did find something that I thought was important to bring to the conversation: a statement on her 2006 campaign website where she denounces the anti-Semitic comments made at her campaign office on election night in 2006. In the statement, she says: “The people who made those remarks were not associated with my campaign in any formal way, and I want to make clear from this hour that any informal ties between me and my campaign and anyone holding or espousing such views are cut and renounced.”

I’m not offering this up as a way to excuse everything or explain everything away. But I do think it’s an important addition to the conversation, especially because it was so difficult to find: until I found the link, I hadn’t heard any mention of McKinney publicly denouncing anti-Semitic statements in any way.

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195174 shah8 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:44:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195174 That's a mishmash of a comment <strong>Sailorman</strong>. Anyways, I've moved on. That’s a mishmash of a comment Sailorman. Anyways, I’ve moved on.

]]> By: urbanartiste http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195146 urbanartiste Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:29:01 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195146 Jeff, some of us out here actually like Bill Clinton. Connecting Bill as baggage for Hillary is a typical sexist attack that she can't control her husband or she got ahead because of him. The bottom line is the liberal media is not going to let Obama get upstaged by a strong black woman - look how they morphed Michelle into a homemaker from a successful lawyer. The fact that McKinney is a very vocal politician in general and has had no coverage from the MSM and notable liberal alternative media & print is outrageous! We are supposed to live in a democracy with a free press. I think this is the one election that blatantly exhibits media bias and media propping up and advertising for a candidate. And this started during the primary. That is why I can not understand why anyone would vote at all this coming election. It amazes me that Obama has recently done typical politician flip-flops for votes and people are still planning on voting for the change candidate. The drilling thing has pushed me over the edge. Where the hell is his judgement? Jeff, some of us out here actually like Bill Clinton. Connecting Bill as baggage for Hillary is a typical sexist attack that she can’t control her husband or she got ahead because of him.

The bottom line is the liberal media is not going to let Obama get upstaged by a strong black woman – look how they morphed Michelle into a homemaker from a successful lawyer. The fact that McKinney is a very vocal politician in general and has had no coverage from the MSM and notable liberal alternative media & print is outrageous! We are supposed to live in a democracy with a free press.

I think this is the one election that blatantly exhibits media bias and media propping up and advertising for a candidate. And this started during the primary. That is why I can not understand why anyone would vote at all this coming election. It amazes me that Obama has recently done typical politician flip-flops for votes and people are still planning on voting for the change candidate. The drilling thing has pushed me over the edge. Where the hell is his judgement?

]]> By: Sailorman http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195142 Sailorman Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:21:00 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195142 nice backpedaling. I mean, here you are first saying that clinton didn't take any flak from ferraro's idiocy. Then it's "oh, well, maybe I called her racist for that" but it doesn't count (huh?) because somewhere in the blogosphere--not here--it was a bannable offense. (I don't know if it's "never been true" that anyone has been banned anywhere for similar comments regarding a black politician. But if I were a betting man I'd bet you're wrong. Never is a hard row to hoe) Then it's a game, that's not serious at all, at least to you and at least if it's about CM. Then it's the guards' fault, who she might not have hired. (I'm not sure what that has to do with it. I suspect that she does not hire everyone on her team.... so what?) No comment there about what one might say about the guards, or how one might point out the problems with their statements. Even if you think the father is some sort of exception--which you didn't seem to think was the case with Hillary and Bill, hmm?--you have the guard issue. <blockquote>It’s just not too much to ask that a charge have a basis in something *that* person did do, <b>or didn’t do, but obviously should have done.</b></blockquote> Well yeah, that's my point exactly. [shrug] Support her anyway if you want. Nobody is perfect; we all make compromises in who we vote for. The only politician I would agree with 100% would be me, and I'm not running. Just don't spin it, that's all, and don't pretend that it is <i>objectively</i> irrelevant. nice backpedaling.

I mean, here you are first saying that clinton didn’t take any flak from ferraro’s idiocy.

Then it’s “oh, well, maybe I called her racist for that” but it doesn’t count (huh?) because somewhere in the blogosphere–not here–it was a bannable offense. (I don’t know if it’s “never been true” that anyone has been banned anywhere for similar comments regarding a black politician. But if I were a betting man I’d bet you’re wrong. Never is a hard row to hoe)

Then it’s a game, that’s not serious at all, at least to you and at least if it’s about CM.

Then it’s the guards’ fault, who she might not have hired. (I’m not sure what that has to do with it. I suspect that she does not hire everyone on her team…. so what?) No comment there about what one might say about the guards, or how one might point out the problems with their statements. Even if you think the father is some sort of exception–which you didn’t seem to think was the case with Hillary and Bill, hmm?–you have the guard issue.

It’s just not too much to ask that a charge have a basis in something *that* person did do, or didn’t do, but obviously should have done.

Well yeah, that’s my point exactly.

[shrug] Support her anyway if you want. Nobody is perfect; we all make compromises in who we vote for. The only politician I would agree with 100% would be me, and I’m not running. Just don’t spin it, that’s all, and don’t pretend that it is objectively irrelevant.

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-195121 shah8 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:15:22 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=7890#comment-195121 <strong>Sailorman</strong>, I, and some others, have said that Hillary was racist herself for the things she allowed her supporters to do, but do not forget Hillary also can be indicted by her own words as well. Nevertheless, in certain areas of the blogging world, saying that Hillary is racist was a bannable offense, replete with curses and maledictions aplenty. This has never been true for a black politico. It has just too easy a double standard. Secondly, Sailorman, proving evidence of an absence is nearly impossible to gauge. There is no evidence of *malign neglect* on McKinney's part. Asking McKinney to condemn someone or other and citing her delay or refusal to do so is a game, and one I don't take seriously. Seriously, asking people to publically condemn their father or any other emotionally close relative is NOT easy, and one really does have to have a high bar to meet to ask for that. It's also silly when these people are not necessarily associates by choice. One was her father, the other her gaurds, who she might have had nothing to do with hiring. It's just not too much to ask that a charge have a basis in something *that* person did do, or didn't do, but obviously should have done. Well, while I'm here... Here is Louis Farrakhan's wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan Judging by that, I would say that there are many, many, worse people out there who are sincerly powerful. Farrakhan has a following because surprise, surprise, he does have his good points. Sailorman, I, and some others, have said that Hillary was racist herself for the things she allowed her supporters to do, but do not forget Hillary also can be indicted by her own words as well. Nevertheless, in certain areas of the blogging world, saying that Hillary is racist was a bannable offense, replete with curses and maledictions aplenty. This has never been true for a black politico. It has just too easy a double standard.

Secondly, Sailorman, proving evidence of an absence is nearly impossible to gauge. There is no evidence of *malign neglect* on McKinney’s part. Asking McKinney to condemn someone or other and citing her delay or refusal to do so is a game, and one I don’t take seriously. Seriously, asking people to publically condemn their father or any other emotionally close relative is NOT easy, and one really does have to have a high bar to meet to ask for that. It’s also silly when these people are not necessarily associates by choice. One was her father, the other her gaurds, who she might have had nothing to do with hiring. It’s just not too much to ask that a charge have a basis in something *that* person did do, or didn’t do, but obviously should have done.

Well, while I’m here…
Here is Louis Farrakhan’s wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

Judging by that, I would say that there are many, many, worse people out there who are sincerly powerful. Farrakhan has a following because surprise, surprise, he does have his good points.

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