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	<title>Comments on: Hair-pulling and braid-weaving</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-203911</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you examine the paintings more thoroughly you realize that in painting 1 Tim is with a women maybe his wife, maybe the princess, in painting 2 hes at a dinner table toasting to something might be with the family of his mysterious lover. But then in painting 3 you see a man entering a room (maybe its Tim) and another mans face in the sheets of the bed (maybe its his wife/princess cheating on him) and from then on his expressions and view of the world seem to change, within the text and in the paintings. Hes in an airport in painting four and everyone around him is up and facing the right but Tim is facing the left and sitting, depressed. Painting five is what gets me Tim is standing next to what i think is a garbage can with a golden light that somewhat looks like a ring, and the ring is shining and illuminating Tims face.  The world around Tim is dark and evil looking, but not the ring. He is eying it greedily looking upon it not being able to part with it, because it resembles all of the good things in Tims life the things he used to have and he cant bear to part with the last piece of light within him, but also the very thing that wells the darkness and the monster beneath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you examine the paintings more thoroughly you realize that in painting 1 Tim is with a women maybe his wife, maybe the princess, in painting 2 hes at a dinner table toasting to something might be with the family of his mysterious lover. But then in painting 3 you see a man entering a room (maybe its Tim) and another mans face in the sheets of the bed (maybe its his wife/princess cheating on him) and from then on his expressions and view of the world seem to change, within the text and in the paintings. Hes in an airport in painting four and everyone around him is up and facing the right but Tim is facing the left and sitting, depressed. Painting five is what gets me Tim is standing next to what i think is a garbage can with a golden light that somewhat looks like a ring, and the ring is shining and illuminating Tims face.  The world around Tim is dark and evil looking, but not the ring. He is eying it greedily looking upon it not being able to part with it, because it resembles all of the good things in Tims life the things he used to have and he cant bear to part with the last piece of light within him, but also the very thing that wells the darkness and the monster beneath.</p>
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		<title>By: RadonPlasma</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-203448</link>
		<dc:creator>RadonPlasma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGH.  And here I had almost given up on wringing any further enlightenment from that experience.  Many kudos to Holly, &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt;, for such masterful analysis of the material.  Unfortunately, I hadn&#039;t been privy to the secret ending, but from your descriptions, I think you&#039;re right.  Damn, it&#039;s getting late.  I&#039;ll catch you guys some other time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGH.  And here I had almost given up on wringing any further enlightenment from that experience.  Many kudos to Holly, <i>et al</i>, for such masterful analysis of the material.  Unfortunately, I hadn&#8217;t been privy to the secret ending, but from your descriptions, I think you&#8217;re right.  Damn, it&#8217;s getting late.  I&#8217;ll catch you guys some other time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-200356</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious...but just reading this review induced a major bout of PTSD.  I&#039;d rather see actual developed female characters than control freaks being outed as control freaks.

I can&#039;t comment on the game, since I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be willing to pay money to act out that relationship ever. But it occurred to me that Blow was doing the same thing that the Columbine RPG did: appropriate someone else&#039;s game and paste a tragedy on top.

I know most people don&#039;t have the experience of desperately locking a succession of doors against someone who doesn&#039;t want to understand &#039;no&#039;, and so I know this response is not normal.  

But it does seem in order for this to be successful, people do have to be someone entertained/unaffected by the scenario to appreciate the plot twist.

(...Looking forward to the Beyond Good and Evil sequel, and hoping they keep Jade&#039;s voice actress.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious&#8230;but just reading this review induced a major bout of PTSD.  I&#8217;d rather see actual developed female characters than control freaks being outed as control freaks.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on the game, since I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be willing to pay money to act out that relationship ever. But it occurred to me that Blow was doing the same thing that the Columbine RPG did: appropriate someone else&#8217;s game and paste a tragedy on top.</p>
<p>I know most people don&#8217;t have the experience of desperately locking a succession of doors against someone who doesn&#8217;t want to understand &#8216;no&#8217;, and so I know this response is not normal.  </p>
<p>But it does seem in order for this to be successful, people do have to be someone entertained/unaffected by the scenario to appreciate the plot twist.</p>
<p>(&#8230;Looking forward to the Beyond Good and Evil sequel, and hoping they keep Jade&#8217;s voice actress.)</p>
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		<title>By: Infovore &#187; links for August 26th</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-199086</link>
		<dc:creator>Infovore &#187; links for August 26th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe &#187; Hair-pulling and braid-weaving &quot;It seems to me that Tim and the nameless characters of the epilogue represent archetypes of some kind. They don&#8217;t stand in for every man and woman, certainly, but they&#8217;re emblematic of a certain kind of dysfunctional relationship, one where &#8220;I&#8217;ll protect you&#8221; turns into &#8220;I&#8217;ll control you.&#8221;&quot; A smart, sharp reading of Braid, that understands its gameiness. (tags: braid games criticism writing critique narrative ) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feministe &raquo; Hair-pulling and braid-weaving &quot;It seems to me that Tim and the nameless characters of the epilogue represent archetypes of some kind. They don&rsquo;t stand in for every man and woman, certainly, but they&rsquo;re emblematic of a certain kind of dysfunctional relationship, one where &ldquo;I&rsquo;ll protect you&rdquo; turns into &ldquo;I&rsquo;ll control you.&rdquo;&quot; A smart, sharp reading of Braid, that understands its gameiness. (tags: braid games criticism writing critique narrative ) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Waffle</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-198928</link>
		<dc:creator>Waffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This game made me tear up and almost cry.  When I was forced to watch the princess running away from me and into the arms of the &quot;villan&quot;, it was a perfect replication of the feeling of realizing that all of the work you&#039;ve put into a relationship was really working against it - it&#039;s now destroyed and there&#039;s no way you can undo it.

It even upsets me a bit at the moment, because I didn&#039;t really want this feeling or to start thinking about relationships I&#039;ve botched - I just wanted a distraction and some fun puzzles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game made me tear up and almost cry.  When I was forced to watch the princess running away from me and into the arms of the &#8220;villan&#8221;, it was a perfect replication of the feeling of realizing that all of the work you&#8217;ve put into a relationship was really working against it &#8211; it&#8217;s now destroyed and there&#8217;s no way you can undo it.</p>
<p>It even upsets me a bit at the moment, because I didn&#8217;t really want this feeling or to start thinking about relationships I&#8217;ve botched &#8211; I just wanted a distraction and some fun puzzles.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lantz</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-197866</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Lantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice analysis. It&#039;s especially interesting to consider all of these themes within the context of Jonathan Blow&#039;s quest for Art. The candy behind the glass is sweet, sweet Art, so close he can almost taste it. With some games (or movies, or songs, or paintings) you feel like you are in good hands, and you can relax, you know you are being carried somewhere and even if you are not sure where, you know you will be well taken care of. Braid isn&#039;t like this. With Braid there is a feeling of something off, desperate, out of control, in control, control pushed past the breaking point, all of the deliberate design decisions tightened until the pieces they were meant to join have begun to crack. It&#039;s quite tragic and lovely, actually. It&#039;s lovely. I really do love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice analysis. It&#8217;s especially interesting to consider all of these themes within the context of Jonathan Blow&#8217;s quest for Art. The candy behind the glass is sweet, sweet Art, so close he can almost taste it. With some games (or movies, or songs, or paintings) you feel like you are in good hands, and you can relax, you know you are being carried somewhere and even if you are not sure where, you know you will be well taken care of. Braid isn&#8217;t like this. With Braid there is a feeling of something off, desperate, out of control, in control, control pushed past the breaking point, all of the deliberate design decisions tightened until the pieces they were meant to join have begun to crack. It&#8217;s quite tragic and lovely, actually. It&#8217;s lovely. I really do love it.</p>
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		<title>By: mitu.nu &#187; Thoughts on: Braid.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-197388</link>
		<dc:creator>mitu.nu &#187; Thoughts on: Braid.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] admittedly, she did point me towards this rather excellent post at feministe.us, which happens to cover a good proportion of my thoughts on the subject already, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] admittedly, she did point me towards this rather excellent post at feministe.us, which happens to cover a good proportion of my thoughts on the subject already, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-197346</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly: I had just the same take on the secret ending. It only takes one guy to ignore his girlfriend trying to get those stars for Braid&#039;s message to ring painfully true. And I&#039;m sure that&#039;s happened dozens of times by now.

It&#039;s worth mentioning, though, that neither the conventional ending nor the extra one actually end the game. That seems to be a key theme - even if you get what you want, it&#039;s not over.

My take on the conflicting evidence about Braid&#039;s subject - girl, truth or atomic bomb? - is that Tim is the same guy throughout, but the nature of the Princess changes with each chapter. At first she&#039;s a girl. Then he gets the girl, and is pursuing his work, his scientific obsession, and she&#039;s sat at home sadly accepting that his interest now lies elsewhere. Then he achieves the understanding he was after in his work, but wants to put it to use. Then we are all sons of bitches.

And post-nuke, even after his obsession has killed the very figure of the princess - be she innocence, safety, truth, mother earth or the love of a girl - some Tims /still/ seek a princess in even more unknowable, unreachable places, ignoring the Earth they&#039;ve ruined for the stars. 

She&#039;s different this time, not a girl just one castle away from reunion, but a thing which even when attained and understood, remains a chained maiden in the sky, light-years from us. That could be seen as either acceptance or eternal frustration on Tim&#039;s part, depending on what kind of Tim you are.

Braid says a lot of harsh things about the male psyche that, as a man, I find uncomfortably accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly: I had just the same take on the secret ending. It only takes one guy to ignore his girlfriend trying to get those stars for Braid&#8217;s message to ring painfully true. And I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s happened dozens of times by now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning, though, that neither the conventional ending nor the extra one actually end the game. That seems to be a key theme &#8211; even if you get what you want, it&#8217;s not over.</p>
<p>My take on the conflicting evidence about Braid&#8217;s subject &#8211; girl, truth or atomic bomb? &#8211; is that Tim is the same guy throughout, but the nature of the Princess changes with each chapter. At first she&#8217;s a girl. Then he gets the girl, and is pursuing his work, his scientific obsession, and she&#8217;s sat at home sadly accepting that his interest now lies elsewhere. Then he achieves the understanding he was after in his work, but wants to put it to use. Then we are all sons of bitches.</p>
<p>And post-nuke, even after his obsession has killed the very figure of the princess &#8211; be she innocence, safety, truth, mother earth or the love of a girl &#8211; some Tims /still/ seek a princess in even more unknowable, unreachable places, ignoring the Earth they&#8217;ve ruined for the stars. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s different this time, not a girl just one castle away from reunion, but a thing which even when attained and understood, remains a chained maiden in the sky, light-years from us. That could be seen as either acceptance or eternal frustration on Tim&#8217;s part, depending on what kind of Tim you are.</p>
<p>Braid says a lot of harsh things about the male psyche that, as a man, I find uncomfortably accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/11/hair-pulling-and-braid-weaving/#comment-197135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all really interesting interpretations, and I&#039;m glad I stumbled upon this. :)

I don&#039;t know if any of you noticed, but in the house, the painting from world 4 of the guy looking in a room is the Princess&#039; room, Then one of the other paintings is another room in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all really interesting interpretations, and I&#8217;m glad I stumbled upon this. :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of you noticed, but in the house, the painting from world 4 of the guy looking in a room is the Princess&#8217; room, Then one of the other paintings is another room in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: infernalserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>infernalserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconding the hearting. I wasn&#039;t sure if I was going to buy this game for financial reasons, but your analysis and the discussion here in the comments are tipping me over that way. Now I want to see and experience it for myself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconding the hearting. I wasn&#8217;t sure if I was going to buy this game for financial reasons, but your analysis and the discussion here in the comments are tipping me over that way. Now I want to see and experience it for myself!</p>
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