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	<title>Comments on: Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule</title>
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		<title>By: Anti-Choice DHHS Rule Finalized : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-217822</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Choice DHHS Rule Finalized : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that jerk Jill beat me to it with a really good post), I’ve been relentlessly updating you on the proposed DHHS rule that aims to limit the availability of abortion and contraception by protecting anti-choice [...]</description>
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		<title>By: i feel progress coming on. &#171; me, unplugged</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-215785</link>
		<dc:creator>i feel progress coming on. &#171; me, unplugged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the last one is the proposed DHHS bill (which would limit women&#8217;s access to birth control by letting providers decide if they want [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Five Links That Are Actually Important &#171; Our Descent Into Madness</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-199151</link>
		<dc:creator>Five Links That Are Actually Important &#171; Our Descent Into Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. Anti-contraception, anti-abortion DHHS rule-fight it! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raincitygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198710</link>
		<dc:creator>Raincitygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OB/GYN doc, I&#039;m with Cara on this one. Nobody wants to force doctors to perform procedures with which they&#039;re uncomfortable, as long as that doctor:
a) is willing to provide a referral (which you are)
b) is willing to perform it in an emergency situation
You said you choose not to perform&lt;i&gt; elective&lt;/i&gt; abortions. I&#039;m going to take a wild guess and say that if a woman was bleeding out on your table and there was no other qualified practitioner around, you&#039;d do it. Because that wouldn&#039;t be an elective situation. 

What people here are pissed off about is not so much that Doctor X won&#039;t perform abortions, but that Doctor X will be legally allowed to try and block the patient from getting the abortion elsewhere. Like a pharmacist who won&#039;t fill a scrip for emergency contraception and won&#039;t give back the scrip so the customer can try another pharmacist. Or that Doctor X will get a job where abortion is specifically part of their job and then decide they won&#039;t do it. Or even that Doctor X will endanger the welfare of a patient who needs an abortion for medical reasons. 

Maybe that seems paranoid, but I&#039;ve heard far too many stories of doctors like Doctor X to believe that it&#039;s all paranoia. Fortunately there are plenty of doctors who aren&#039;t like that, but the ones who are can make life hell for quite a few patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB/GYN doc, I&#8217;m with Cara on this one. Nobody wants to force doctors to perform procedures with which they&#8217;re uncomfortable, as long as that doctor:<br />
a) is willing to provide a referral (which you are)<br />
b) is willing to perform it in an emergency situation<br />
You said you choose not to perform<i> elective</i> abortions. I&#8217;m going to take a wild guess and say that if a woman was bleeding out on your table and there was no other qualified practitioner around, you&#8217;d do it. Because that wouldn&#8217;t be an elective situation. </p>
<p>What people here are pissed off about is not so much that Doctor X won&#8217;t perform abortions, but that Doctor X will be legally allowed to try and block the patient from getting the abortion elsewhere. Like a pharmacist who won&#8217;t fill a scrip for emergency contraception and won&#8217;t give back the scrip so the customer can try another pharmacist. Or that Doctor X will get a job where abortion is specifically part of their job and then decide they won&#8217;t do it. Or even that Doctor X will endanger the welfare of a patient who needs an abortion for medical reasons. </p>
<p>Maybe that seems paranoid, but I&#8217;ve heard far too many stories of doctors like Doctor X to believe that it&#8217;s all paranoia. Fortunately there are plenty of doctors who aren&#8217;t like that, but the ones who are can make life hell for quite a few patients.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-08-23 &#171; Tlönista</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198593</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-08-23 &#171; Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe » Bush Officially Proposes Anti-Abortion DHHS Rule MOTHERFUCKERS. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198359</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone walk me through this? If I&#039;m a conscientious objector, an abortion clinic must still hire me without fear or favour. And I sit in the break room all day drinking coffee. And dismissing me for that would be unfair termination. 

WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone walk me through this? If I&#8217;m a conscientious objector, an abortion clinic must still hire me without fear or favour. And I sit in the break room all day drinking coffee. And dismissing me for that would be unfair termination. </p>
<p>WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198318</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OB/GYN doc, the tone of your comment suggests to me that you expect us to disagree with you, but I actually think that you won&#039;t find that.  I have no desire to force any specific doctor to perform an abortion, but at the very least referrals should be provided and employers should be able to determine whether or not they want to hire someone that will not perform a specific procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB/GYN doc, the tone of your comment suggests to me that you expect us to disagree with you, but I actually think that you won&#8217;t find that.  I have no desire to force any specific doctor to perform an abortion, but at the very least referrals should be provided and employers should be able to determine whether or not they want to hire someone that will not perform a specific procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: OB/GYN doc</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198314</link>
		<dc:creator>OB/GYN doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an ob/gyn doc and was trained in abortions, however I choose not to do them as elective procedures and will only do them under emergency circumstances (which thankfully are very rare, I see maybe two or three of these cases a year).

The government and the medical board should have no power to dictate which elective services I do or do not offer.  Thats not in the oath I took, thats not in the state medical board regulations that I signed, thats not in the ethical guidelines that I had to acknowledge to receive licensure.

Now that being said, an ob/gyn group practice or a hospital that directly employs ob/gyns should have the power to make abortions a job requirement if they so desire, as long as they make it public up front and a condition of employment before you take the job.  I think the chances of this happening are virtually nil.  Hospitals and group practices give individual practitioners a lot of leeway in choosing which services they provide.  There&#039;s a lot of restrictions on things you CANT do, but its unheard of for a group practice or a hospital to dictate what specific services that each doc has to offer under the umbrella organization.  Thats not going to change regardless of what the law says.

Also, I believe docs should be required to provide referrals for procedures that they wont do themselves.  I myself have no problem referring elective abortions to several other ob/gyn docs.  We have a collegial working relationship, but I should have the right to decide which elective services I do or do not administer.  If you went to the abortion providers and required them by law to manage hypertension (which is within every OB/GYNs scope of practice) they would balk as well and rightfully so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an ob/gyn doc and was trained in abortions, however I choose not to do them as elective procedures and will only do them under emergency circumstances (which thankfully are very rare, I see maybe two or three of these cases a year).</p>
<p>The government and the medical board should have no power to dictate which elective services I do or do not offer.  Thats not in the oath I took, thats not in the state medical board regulations that I signed, thats not in the ethical guidelines that I had to acknowledge to receive licensure.</p>
<p>Now that being said, an ob/gyn group practice or a hospital that directly employs ob/gyns should have the power to make abortions a job requirement if they so desire, as long as they make it public up front and a condition of employment before you take the job.  I think the chances of this happening are virtually nil.  Hospitals and group practices give individual practitioners a lot of leeway in choosing which services they provide.  There&#8217;s a lot of restrictions on things you CANT do, but its unheard of for a group practice or a hospital to dictate what specific services that each doc has to offer under the umbrella organization.  Thats not going to change regardless of what the law says.</p>
<p>Also, I believe docs should be required to provide referrals for procedures that they wont do themselves.  I myself have no problem referring elective abortions to several other ob/gyn docs.  We have a collegial working relationship, but I should have the right to decide which elective services I do or do not administer.  If you went to the abortion providers and required them by law to manage hypertension (which is within every OB/GYNs scope of practice) they would balk as well and rightfully so.</p>
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		<title>By: sara no h.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/22/bush-officially-proposes-anti-abortion-dhhs-rule/#comment-198274</link>
		<dc:creator>sara no h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gods ... if medical school weren&#039;t so fucking expensive (and I wasn&#039;t 8 months preggers, bit tough to do a degree around a kid) I&#039;d be seriously considering going back and getting a degree so I could become an OBGYN. Wrote a post, wrote to my legislator, left a comment by email form on the new rule. 

Which, by the way: &lt;i&gt;The public is encouraged to comment on this. You can send your comments to consciencecomment@hhs.gov. Make sure to use “provider conscience regulation&quot; as the subject line. All comments will be published for public viewing.&lt;/i&gt; per &lt;a href=&quot;http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/352794.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;naamah&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gods &#8230; if medical school weren&#8217;t so fucking expensive (and I wasn&#8217;t 8 months preggers, bit tough to do a degree around a kid) I&#8217;d be seriously considering going back and getting a degree so I could become an OBGYN. Wrote a post, wrote to my legislator, left a comment by email form on the new rule. </p>
<p>Which, by the way: <i>The public is encouraged to comment on this. You can send your comments to <a href="mailto:consciencecomment@hhs.gov">consciencecomment@hhs.gov</a>. Make sure to use “provider conscience regulation&#8221; as the subject line. All comments will be published for public viewing.</i> per <a href="http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/352794.html" rel="nofollow">naamah</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: hell hath broken loose. &#171; Sara Speaking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hell hath broken loose. &#171; Sara Speaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] courtesy of Feministe, this horrible bad thing may indeed come to pass. Bush has officially proposed the new [...]</description>
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