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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: MaryC</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/23/joe-biden/#comment-199345</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the love of God.  Don&#039;t you think it speaks well of Biden that he &lt;i&gt;married&lt;/i&gt; a woman strong, intelligent and independent enough to pursue two masters&#039; degrees and a PhD?  Who celebrated her academic achievements with a sign on their lawn reading &quot;Dr. and Senator Biden live here&quot;?  That he&#039;s been married to her for 30 years without a whiff of a sex scandal (that I&#039;m aware of; hope I didn&#039;t bring down the jinx!).

Focusing on one borderline remark out of a guy&#039;s mouth is missing the forest for the trees.  There are 300+ million Americans in this country and we&#039;re not all going to get exactly what we want in a candidate or President - I&#039;ve long ago made peace with the reality that I&#039;m not going to love everything about the Democratic ticket.  But I&#039;m still going to vote for it, because I can&#039;t personally afford to see McCain in office, who&#039;s likely to stack the SCOTUS with pro-life judges, thinks it&#039;s funny to joke about murdering Iranians, can&#039;t tell the difference between Sunni and Shia and probably doesn&#039;t care, is beholden to the oilmen and theocrats that run the GOP, voted against Martin Luther King Jr. Day, voted against the Violence Against Women&#039;s Act &lt;i&gt;that Joe Biden wrote and fought for&lt;/i&gt;, voted against veterans&#039; benefits, and called his wife the c-word in public.  

I respect a person&#039;s decision to vote for whomever they want; but do not for a minute tell me there is no difference between the two major political parties.  The Bush years should have taught us that lesson all too well.  I understand the resentment of being asked to choose between &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;worse,&quot; but &quot;worse&quot; has been running loose for the last 8 years.  We could stand to embrace a little pragmatism right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the love of God.  Don&#8217;t you think it speaks well of Biden that he <i>married</i> a woman strong, intelligent and independent enough to pursue two masters&#8217; degrees and a PhD?  Who celebrated her academic achievements with a sign on their lawn reading &#8220;Dr. and Senator Biden live here&#8221;?  That he&#8217;s been married to her for 30 years without a whiff of a sex scandal (that I&#8217;m aware of; hope I didn&#8217;t bring down the jinx!).</p>
<p>Focusing on one borderline remark out of a guy&#8217;s mouth is missing the forest for the trees.  There are 300+ million Americans in this country and we&#8217;re not all going to get exactly what we want in a candidate or President &#8211; I&#8217;ve long ago made peace with the reality that I&#8217;m not going to love everything about the Democratic ticket.  But I&#8217;m still going to vote for it, because I can&#8217;t personally afford to see McCain in office, who&#8217;s likely to stack the SCOTUS with pro-life judges, thinks it&#8217;s funny to joke about murdering Iranians, can&#8217;t tell the difference between Sunni and Shia and probably doesn&#8217;t care, is beholden to the oilmen and theocrats that run the GOP, voted against Martin Luther King Jr. Day, voted against the Violence Against Women&#8217;s Act <i>that Joe Biden wrote and fought for</i>, voted against veterans&#8217; benefits, and called his wife the c-word in public.  </p>
<p>I respect a person&#8217;s decision to vote for whomever they want; but do not for a minute tell me there is no difference between the two major political parties.  The Bush years should have taught us that lesson all too well.  I understand the resentment of being asked to choose between &#8220;bad&#8221; and &#8220;worse,&#8221; but &#8220;worse&#8221; has been running loose for the last 8 years.  We could stand to embrace a little pragmatism right now.</p>
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		<title>By: MetaHara</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/23/joe-biden/#comment-198997</link>
		<dc:creator>MetaHara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Politicalguineapig,

NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Politicalguineapig,</p>
<p>NO.</p>
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		<title>By: Planet Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/23/joe-biden/#comment-198912</link>
		<dc:creator>Planet Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hear alot of feminists on various blogs quite disappointed about this pick, but are still defending Obama. The glass slipper cracked already.&quot;
If you&#039;re so worried about off-the-cuff sexist remarks, why didn&#039;t the glass slipper crack when Obama married a woman who would describe him as &quot;the ultimate accessory&quot; in public? Or do you only care about sexism when it comes from men?

&quot;Okay, how about his comment about the only thing he can say he liked about Kucinich during the dem. debate was his wife? Is there a pattern here?&quot;
That&#039;s not the &quot;only thing&quot; he could say. About 3 seconds after saying that, he went on to describe decades spent working with Kucinich and how he&#039;s a dear friend and great congressmen.

&quot;And will anyone face up to the fact that male democrats are holding women hostage with reproductive freedom?&quot;
How are they holding women &quot;hostage&quot; ? They support abortion rights and just because they don&#039;t always agree with every last abortion position doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re holding us hostage. That&#039;s like saying because the U.S. has the freest speech on Earth it&#039;s holding me hostage, cause I wouldn&#039;t be able to tolerate living anywhere else. It&#039;s just not true. That&#039;s the fault of other countries, not the U.S.

&quot;Biden is Northeast liberal and aside from views, not that far off from McCain.&quot;
National Journal (same source that ranked Obama as the most liberal congressman) ranked Biden as #3 most liberal congressman. So, how is he &quot;not that far off&quot; from McCain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hear alot of feminists on various blogs quite disappointed about this pick, but are still defending Obama. The glass slipper cracked already.&#8221;<br />
If you&#8217;re so worried about off-the-cuff sexist remarks, why didn&#8217;t the glass slipper crack when Obama married a woman who would describe him as &#8220;the ultimate accessory&#8221; in public? Or do you only care about sexism when it comes from men?</p>
<p>&#8220;Okay, how about his comment about the only thing he can say he liked about Kucinich during the dem. debate was his wife? Is there a pattern here?&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s not the &#8220;only thing&#8221; he could say. About 3 seconds after saying that, he went on to describe decades spent working with Kucinich and how he&#8217;s a dear friend and great congressmen.</p>
<p>&#8220;And will anyone face up to the fact that male democrats are holding women hostage with reproductive freedom?&#8221;<br />
How are they holding women &#8220;hostage&#8221; ? They support abortion rights and just because they don&#8217;t always agree with every last abortion position doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re holding us hostage. That&#8217;s like saying because the U.S. has the freest speech on Earth it&#8217;s holding me hostage, cause I wouldn&#8217;t be able to tolerate living anywhere else. It&#8217;s just not true. That&#8217;s the fault of other countries, not the U.S.</p>
<p>&#8220;Biden is Northeast liberal and aside from views, not that far off from McCain.&#8221;<br />
National Journal (same source that ranked Obama as the most liberal congressman) ranked Biden as #3 most liberal congressman. So, how is he &#8220;not that far off&#8221; from McCain?</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, how about Biden as Chairman of the Judiciary Committe overseeing the Clarence Thomas hearing?

I am not trolling, but seriously concerned with this V.P. pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, how about Biden as Chairman of the Judiciary Committe overseeing the Clarence Thomas hearing?</p>
<p>I am not trolling, but seriously concerned with this V.P. pick.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have had a lot more respect for Obama if he had picked Richardson.  Biden was going nowhere in the primary.  Richardson would have been a great selection - governor, Latino, southwest (another part of the country that could go for McCain.  Biden is Northeast liberal and aside from views, not that far off from McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have had a lot more respect for Obama if he had picked Richardson.  Biden was going nowhere in the primary.  Richardson would have been a great selection &#8211; governor, Latino, southwest (another part of the country that could go for McCain.  Biden is Northeast liberal and aside from views, not that far off from McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, how about his comment about the only thing he can say he liked about Kucinich during the dem. debate was his wife?  Is there a pattern here?

Let&#039;s get real.  His opening statement about his wife was a message to all sexist working class men reaffirming masculinity.  Please don&#039;t paint or defend this as anything else.  I hear alot of feminists on various blogs quite disappointed about this pick, but are still defending Obama.  The glass slipper cracked already.   And will anyone face up to the fact that male democrats are holding women hostage with reproductive freedom?  I am completely amazed as to how blind women are to this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, how about his comment about the only thing he can say he liked about Kucinich during the dem. debate was his wife?  Is there a pattern here?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get real.  His opening statement about his wife was a message to all sexist working class men reaffirming masculinity.  Please don&#8217;t paint or defend this as anything else.  I hear alot of feminists on various blogs quite disappointed about this pick, but are still defending Obama.  The glass slipper cracked already.   And will anyone face up to the fact that male democrats are holding women hostage with reproductive freedom?  I am completely amazed as to how blind women are to this!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/23/joe-biden/#comment-198686</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How about Biden’s opening sexist comments about his wife’s looks and education. Obama just lost my vote, big time.&lt;/em&gt;

Is this concern trolling, or is this for real? 

I have my problems with Biden, but on what planet is calling your wife (or husband) gorgeous, and bragging about their education sexist?  That&#039;s what husbands and wives do.  At least in my experience.  It&#039;s appropriate behaviour, for a spouse. 

Its no appropriate for cable news pundits to talk about Hillary Clinton&#039;s dress, or the way she looks.   Surely, you can see the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How about Biden’s opening sexist comments about his wife’s looks and education. Obama just lost my vote, big time.</em></p>
<p>Is this concern trolling, or is this for real? </p>
<p>I have my problems with Biden, but on what planet is calling your wife (or husband) gorgeous, and bragging about their education sexist?  That&#8217;s what husbands and wives do.  At least in my experience.  It&#8217;s appropriate behaviour, for a spouse. </p>
<p>Its no appropriate for cable news pundits to talk about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s dress, or the way she looks.   Surely, you can see the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Planet Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Planet Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>urbanartiste: &quot;How about Biden’s opening sexist comments about his wife’s looks and education. Obama just lost my vote, big time.&quot;

Honestly, what&#039;s wrong with a husband calling his wife &quot;drop-dead gorgeous&quot;? We&#039;re voting about the fate of the country, btw.

&quot;I am Catholic and you can not tell me to trust Biden on abortion at all!&quot;
Why would NARAL give him a 100 score then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>urbanartiste: &#8220;How about Biden’s opening sexist comments about his wife’s looks and education. Obama just lost my vote, big time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Honestly, what&#8217;s wrong with a husband calling his wife &#8220;drop-dead gorgeous&#8221;? We&#8217;re voting about the fate of the country, btw.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am Catholic and you can not tell me to trust Biden on abortion at all!&#8221;<br />
Why would NARAL give him a 100 score then?</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Biden&#039;s opening sexist comments about his wife&#039;s looks and education.  Obama just lost my vote, big time.  Obama just told women he does not care about their vote.  I am Catholic and you can not tell me to trust Biden on abortion at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Biden&#8217;s opening sexist comments about his wife&#8217;s looks and education.  Obama just lost my vote, big time.  Obama just told women he does not care about their vote.  I am Catholic and you can not tell me to trust Biden on abortion at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Just wanted to echo Nora’s comment, in the interest of accuracy. I don’t know where Peter got his ratings, but Joe Biden did earn a 60% record on choice for 2007. Not saying that’s going to make or break him, or anything, but we should strive for accuracy.&lt;/em&gt;

I stand corrected.  I just got his liberal interest group ratings from a website that just had one year of ratings.  Obviously, Biden&#039;s ratings fluctuate year to year, and NAACP and NARAL don&#039;t give him the same rating every year.   

I agree that his rating from liberal interest groups are far from perfect, and in fact downright discouraging in some cases. 

I agree with the other sentiments expressed in the thread about not lecturing anyone on how to vote, or pulling our the scare cards about Roe, or anything else.  I don&#039;t give a crap if people want to vote for Nader or McKinney.  To each, their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Just wanted to echo Nora’s comment, in the interest of accuracy. I don’t know where Peter got his ratings, but Joe Biden did earn a 60% record on choice for 2007. Not saying that’s going to make or break him, or anything, but we should strive for accuracy.</em></p>
<p>I stand corrected.  I just got his liberal interest group ratings from a website that just had one year of ratings.  Obviously, Biden&#8217;s ratings fluctuate year to year, and NAACP and NARAL don&#8217;t give him the same rating every year.   </p>
<p>I agree that his rating from liberal interest groups are far from perfect, and in fact downright discouraging in some cases. </p>
<p>I agree with the other sentiments expressed in the thread about not lecturing anyone on how to vote, or pulling our the scare cards about Roe, or anything else.  I don&#8217;t give a crap if people want to vote for Nader or McKinney.  To each, their own.</p>
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