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  1. Guest Blogging Goodness at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture

    [...] My first real post is up now, called “Before I discovered feminism…” [...]

  2. i_muse
    i_muse August 26, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    Love it!
    Thanks for sharing this. Please send this to Snoops camp-
    they oughtta be made aware.
    Especially while they are in production with season 3 (I think? maybe season 4) of the worst, most obviously scripted “reality” series on E.

  3. DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!!!!
    DEAF FEMINIST PUNK!!!! August 26, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    LaToya, it’s good to see you here :)

    yeah, your article pretty much sums it up.

    the truth is, no culture, no scene, no counterculture, no race, no religion, NOTHING can escape from mysogyny, racism, bigotry and ignorance… and you know what? It sucks so fucking much, dude, but I won’t let any mysogynistic (and racist) assholes ruin my fun for me.

    anyway, hip-hop has given us strong female figures like Sister Souljah and Queen Latifah. So for every mysogynistic stupid asshole out there, we get a woman who’ll spit out pure venom and beat their worthless ass.

    lookin forward 2 seeing more articles from you here !!

  4. i_muse
    i_muse August 26, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    Ah yes, the age old
    “~those~ women are not us”
    the separation that allows mothers, wives and girlfriends to shun responsibility.

    I was a feminist before I started raising (2) boys.
    They both listen to hip-hop. Unfortunately, it isn’t all KRS 1, Guru, Medusa, Evolve, Essential, you…At least, not as often as I would like.
    I hear some of the lyrics and stop them in their tracks, remind them that they know better and that within those lyrics is the conditioning that perpetuates the sort of discrimination we challenge daily.
    I wish there were more conscious rappers in the mainstream and that the music was as good or better rhythmically / musically.

  5. OTM
    OTM August 26, 2008 at 1:16 pm |

    Latoya, this is really great. I could definitely identify with this:

    Now, this was not the first time I was confronted with a blatant display of misogyny from my favorite art form and it certainly will not be the last. At the time, I had only vague ideas about sexism, no concept at all of misogyny, only a tenuous grasp on internalized self-hatred, and no words with which to understand that experience. I knew I was angry, I knew I felt disgusted, I knew I felt something else that I couldn’t name yet, but the end result was the same.

    I grew up really into heavy metal, so yeah. I got fucked up messages from nearly every record I bought (yes, record!) but at the same time, I remember when I was in sixth grade, voicing strenuous objection to this song by The Tubes called “She’s a Beauty” whenever the video came on Video Rock because I said the lead singer was talking about a woman like she was a piano or a used car. Looking back on that, I’m pretty impressed with myself to be voicing feminist criticisms on the objectification of women in music videos when I hardly knew what a music video was, much less feminism or objectification.

    Of course I then went on to listen to the shit out of G’n’R’s Appetite for Destruction, which boasts one of most violently misogynistic album covers out there.

  6. OTM
    OTM August 26, 2008 at 1:22 pm |

    Not to mention my uncritical adoration of videos by The Scorpions and Ratt and Cinderella. At least Judas Priest avoided the trap by not including women in their videos at all. (An aside: this is one of my favorite heavy metal videos because it is like the most aggressively male thing ever, yet manages to be that without damaging women. By just leaving them out entirely.) (Also I apologize if my video links are screwy since I can’t actually look at the videos on this computer.)

  7. Ren
    Ren August 26, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    “People were always going to try to stick me with something I’m not, misread me, underestimate me, oversexualize me, minimize me, force me to fit into their view of the world.

    But I’m not going out like that.
    And y’all better recognize.”

    Best quote ever. A week or so ago there was some conversation out there on sexism in punk rock…and metal was surely a bastion of the same sort of shit…I’m just glad for every snoop (and male musicians of other genres who do the same thing) there’s a TLC as well…and that women fans of any genre of music find them.

    See, now I can’t wait for your next post…

  8. Fatemeh
    Fatemeh August 26, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    Great post, Latoya! It really gets at those nasty feelings when you first realize you’ve been singled out as a girl and reduced to something you’re not because of your gender. I don’t even remember my “moment” (I tend to block things out), but I sure remember these feelings.

    I can’t believe it! I was born in 1983, too! We’re the SAME AGE! Woweewewah!!!

  9. Marisol LeBron
    Marisol LeBron August 26, 2008 at 1:48 pm |

    Hey Latoya,

    Great post! I totally saw that show on hip-hop wives this weekend too. It was like an E! Hollywood Story or something. I think it is really interesting the way in which many women in order to enjoy hip-hop have to rationalize it by saying “this isn’t about me,” which is a slippery slope because then you’re saying it IS about some women and they deserve to be spoken about in that way.

    There is this really fantastic book by Kyra D. Gaunt called “The Games that Black Girls Play: Learning the Ropes from Double Dutch to Hip-Hop,” where she talk about the way that although hip-hop is perceived as a hypermasculine genre, it actually samples regularly from chants and beats associated with female musically expression. Gaunt argues that although the lyrics are mysognynistic, young women of color, particularly young black women, still recognize themselves in that music because of games and music they used to participate in during childhood. Its kind of like women of color disassociated themselves from the mysogynist lyrics and recognize their own hand in hip-hops creation. An example is Nelly’s “Country Grammar” is which samples a popular children’s rhyme and melody, but has extremely misogynistic lyrics, how can and do young women relate to this song?

    I’d be really interested to know what you think about this disidentification that Gaunt says women perform in order to still have a relationship with hip-hop culture despite is misogynistic lyrics.

    Again great post and I’m looking forward to reading more!

  10. Andy
    Andy August 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm |

    Great post. I was the first in my immediate family to listen to hip-hop. I love(d) the rapping (just like I’ve always loved poetry), the beats, and the fact that it irritated my older brother, heh.

    I hate it when I hear (white) (middle-class) (male) people justify their racist dismissal of all hip-hop with, “But they say all kinds of bad things about women!” And then carry on with their own misogynistic crap like it’s nothing. Ugh.

    Speaking of which, can you recommend any good feminist (or at least, not anti-women) artists? :)

  11. Sarah J
    Sarah J August 26, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    What a great story.

    I was actually thinking about TLC and Salt N Pepa the other day, about how fierce and fabulous they were and how we somehow traded them for Britney and the rest? How did we get so screwed with our pop culture?

    Those girl hip-hop groups back in the early 90s were some of my first exposure to music that could be powerful coming from women, that wasn’t just about being in looooove with some guy that broke your heart over and over again, but was about women who knew what they wanted and weren’t scared to ask for it. Or tell you all about it. I was thinking mostly about this song. A better manifesta of female desire has never been written. ;)

  12. norbizness
    norbizness August 26, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    There was a time when hip-hop seemed to embrace a number of possibilities in the 1989-1993 area: Public Enemy, KRS-One, (early) Queen Latifah, Digable Planets, MC Lyte, and most importantly for me, the Native Tongues collective (Jungle Brothers, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and even a young Busta Rhymes in the Leaders of the New School). Before MTV devolved into reality shows and lowest common denominator bullshit, they actually had a show devoted to such acts.

    Then came Dr. Dre with The Chronic: I don’t blame him for his brand of suburban marketing, but what’s been getting airplay has steadily devolved over the last 15 years. There is still an incalculable number of performers and musicians with a lot to say, but it’s harder to hear them above the deafening, misogynist, nursery-rhyme din.

  13. Joseph
    Joseph August 26, 2008 at 2:09 pm |

    That was really written beautifully Latoya.

    Like your folks I was in high school in ’83 and I remember hip hop unfolding all around me in my North Philly schoolyard. Although for some time now “hip hop” and “rap” have been used interchangeably, for us “hip hop” was an emerging culture that had an array of cultural expressions: while the music was an important part of it, it wasn’t the entire picture.

    It seems to me that the reduction of hip hop culture into its most sale-able commodity, the music, is the moment when misogynistic images surged forward. Although a critical focus on misogyny in hip hop culture usually makes the case it is exceptional in its attitudes toward women, I actually think the opposite is true. Once the music began to market itself to the mainstream–hell, BECAME the mainstream–it reflected mainstream values, including misogyny. Which is not to shift blame away from individual artists but rather to say that once hip hop culture became commodified as a business model it began to orient itself around images that sell big to the larger culture…and hateful images of women sell big.

    Do you have thoughts about this? I’m curious since you came into political consciousness around the time this shift was well underway…

  14. Shelby
    Shelby August 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    HAT TO THE BACK!!! Ahhh!!!

    Thank you for letting me relive my childhood right now! “What About Your Friends” was the anthem to my life for most of elementary school, but “Hat to the Back” is definitely a favorite.
    Awesome, heartfelt, amazing post! I identify so much with this piece that I’m almost in tears.

    Thank You, Latoya!!

  15. jaye
    jaye August 26, 2008 at 3:21 pm |

    Wow, I don’t know what to say when people are actually having an intelligent discussion about the problems in hip-hop, rather than trying to paint it as perpetually sexist, violent and materialistic. I haven’t thought that far.

  16. octogalore
    octogalore August 26, 2008 at 3:54 pm |

    Great post Latoya. Interesting dichotomy within hip hop, and I like your look at using that framework in defining your own boundaries.

  17. veronica
    veronica August 26, 2008 at 3:56 pm |

    Even knowing you for just a few weeks, I knew you smacked that punk. ha!

    Thanks for sharing your story. BTW – My flight ended up being an hour delayed, so I totally coulda stayed!! Pissed!

  18. C-Marsh
    C-Marsh August 26, 2008 at 4:18 pm |

    Just wanted to stop by and stay great post LaToya!! I love how you always show the complexity of a subject. I think the your discussion of this simple, yet not so simple topic perfectly illustrates the silent struggles that many “outsiders” never hear. They way in which you describe your ambivalence for hip-hop lets us peer into a window that is usually shut by the MSM. Thanks for inviting us in!!

  19. DaisyDeadhead
    DaisyDeadhead August 26, 2008 at 4:24 pm |

    Great post, Latoya. I don’t know squat about hip-hop, but I DO read Michael Eric Dyson (((swoons))) who I have a monster-crush on. He writes so well about how the most misogynist hip-hop is often what gets singled out for praise and recorded, promoted, put out there as emblematic of the genre. He believes white audiences (particularly men) are comfortable with black men in that role, and use black men as a sort of psychological sex-surrogate. Thus, more money is made by crossing over to white audiences, and the cycle continues.

    Black ‘revolutionary’ violence (i.e. directed at police) or violence for its own sake is scary and forbidden to white hip-hop fans, but SEXUAL violence is permitted, since Dyson thinks it is perceived as directed at only black women. One reason everyone was suddenly freaked out by Eminem’s song “Kim”–is that he was talking about his wife, a white woman. THAT was suddenly controversial, when of course he was writing the same kinds of songs his mentors always did.

    After Andy’s comment, I wonder if that is why Eminem’s homophobia seemed “worse” too? Is the bar set very low for black hip-hop artists, but a white guy is expected to “behave”?

    Keep up the good work!

  20. thinkingdifference
    thinkingdifference August 26, 2008 at 4:32 pm |

    i really enjoyed this post, thanks for sharing. now i’m gonna try to recollect my own first experiences with sexism and misogyny… if anything, your post made me think of how education/ socialization does not fully define us – it may give us some direction, it may give us some images, but it does not necessarily follow that we integrate them in our personalities and accept them at face value.

  21. CM
    CM August 26, 2008 at 4:46 pm |

    That is a really good point about Eminem, DaisyDeadhead. People got way up in arms about a lot of his songs, but many of them paled in comparison to, say, Dr. Dre and Co.

  22. fff » Blog Archive » OK, one more link

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  23. Jeff
    Jeff August 26, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    I hate it when I hear (white) (middle-class) (male) people justify their racist dismissal of all hip-hop with, “But they say all kinds of bad things about women!”

    This white middle-class male dismisses the rap and hip-hop as presented on MTV and BET as sexist trash (and repetative). I wish that artists like TLC, Queen Latifah and En Vogue were as popular as they were “in the day”. I’m discovering alternative hip-hop, but it’s a search as opposed to being exposed to lots of great, fresh voices.

  24. danicaanddan
    danicaanddan August 26, 2008 at 6:58 pm |

    “Even knowing you for just a few weeks, I knew you smacked that punk. ha!”

    I’m sorry, I just dont know what it is but today, hearing something like that kind of bothers me, its ok to hit someone as hard as you can because they were being a misogynistic asshole? I just can’t see it, role reveral or in general that is never a good thing to my mind, kind of ruined an otherwise fantastic post for me.

  25. William
    William August 26, 2008 at 7:13 pm |

    At least Judas Priest avoided the trap by not including women in their videos at all.

    I think Judas Priest not having women in their videos had a lot to do with Judas Priest not singing songs about how many women they had sex with. I mean, I can see the meeting with the record label now.

    Label: “We’d really like you guys to have a bunch of women in fishnets crawling around in this video, its sold a lot of records in the past, especially with songs that have lyrics this sexual”

    Rob Halford: “Sounds good, but can it be men in leather instead?”

    Label: “How about a nice live video….”

  26. William
    William August 26, 2008 at 8:11 pm |

    @William – *raises eyebrow.* This bears looking into…

    Heh, one of the great things about Judas Priest was always that Halford was loud and proud, even in a genre that has a habit of being homophobic.

  27. Pilar Cruz
    Pilar Cruz August 26, 2008 at 11:31 pm |

    Thanks for this post. This song and the ones mentioned by others (Queen Latifah and Sister Souljah) came at a crucial time in my life. I was 15 and making a lot of decisions based on what boys wanted. These songs kept my head out of my ass, for the most part.

  28. Restructure!
    Restructure! August 27, 2008 at 12:14 am |

    Thank you for this. I knew I was going to love your posts.

  29. Roxie
    Roxie August 27, 2008 at 12:19 am |

    Great post! I was born in 83 as well and had quite a relationship with the music.
    I also remember seeing the cover of that very same cd for the first time and feeling…extremely excluded.

  30. Angela
    Angela August 27, 2008 at 12:25 am |

    Interesting post, and like Daisy, I know nothing about hip hop or rap in the simplest terms. The year you were born I was married and finishing college. It breaks my heart to hear such stories that affect young women today. This particular type of “music” is not allowed in my home period. I’m an ICU nurse and my husband and I have 3 sons of our own. I can’t tell you have many times I’ve had battered women on my floor, near death, because of some twisted view their crazy boyfriend or estranged husband had of them. It’s absolutely ridicules and downright shameful.

  31. wondering
    wondering August 27, 2008 at 1:02 am |

    Another heavy metal lover here (from Judas Priest through Metallica and onto Disturbed). I’ve heard some terribly misogynist lyrics but I just can’t quit the sound. Someday I need to learn to pull the vocal track out of the music.

  32. Suki T
    Suki T August 27, 2008 at 1:50 am |

    @william. Halford wasn’t always out or loud and proud. In fact although he was out in his personal life for many years, he wasn’t out publically until 1998, which was after he left Judas Priest (he came back to the band later).

    I will give credit to his fans though, because for being a very misogynistic and homophobic bunch usually, when Halford went public, they stood by him.

    Sorry this is sort of a sore point for me, I just wanted the facts to be correctly recorded here.

  33. Isabel
    Isabel August 27, 2008 at 2:27 am |

    This post was awesome. Seriously looking forward to the rest of your posts here and making Racialicious a regular read.

    It’s definitely an interesting situation when something walks that weird line. This is sort of a bizarre comparison, I realize, but one thing that came to mind is opera–operas are not generally feminist-friendly stories and some can even be misogynistic, but at the same time, the medium of opera provides a space for women to be unapologetically the star (and did at a time when this was considerably more rare)–and nowadays, is one of the few places a woman can still be a star without being conventionally attractive. Different story, obviously, but that came to mind reading this post.

    Another thing that has sort of more emotional resonance for me is Disney movies–I don’t think I need to go over how messed up their gender issues are, but at the same time, they were one of the few places I could go as a little kid and see a girl being the star, instead of having one or two girls in an otherwise all-male cast (hi, every freaking cartoon show on Nickelodeon I loved as a kid). Even now that I can recognize how messed up it is that, say, the overall message of Beauty and the Beast translates to “if you love your abusive boyfriend enough, he will change for you” (which, interestingly, I had to have pointed out to me by a then-boyfriend of mine generally less interested in feminism than I am), what sticks out to me when I remember how much I loved that story was that it was Belle’s story (and also that she could read while walking, because I totally trained myself to do that because of that movie). Again, different story, but I think it’s sort of a related phenomenon.

  34. Brenda
    Brenda August 27, 2008 at 3:52 am |

    I was really excited to see that you were posting at Feministe this week, and this was great! I can’t really relate to your relationship with hip hop per se, but I generally love the attitude of dealing with anyone’s relationship to pop culture as this complex negotiation. Or what you were talking about in the comments in terms of disassociation/”taking what you need” from music, which is giving me all kinds of exciting half-formed thoughts — I’m really looking forward to the rest of your posts!

  35. William
    William August 27, 2008 at 9:03 am |

    william. Halford wasn’t always out or loud and proud. In fact although he was out in his personal life for many years, he wasn’t out publically until 1998, which was after he left Judas Priest (he came back to the band later).

    You’re right. Halford didn’t officially come out of the closet until 1998. I mean, it was pretty much an open secret that he was gay, he never denied it, and there were a lot of references in the lyrics, but that isn’t the same thing as being out. I should have been more precise.

  36. Allie
    Allie August 27, 2008 at 9:39 am |

    @ Ren and Latoya: PLEASE post the link to that discussion about misogyny in punk rock! I *need* to read that. I play bass in a mostly-female punk rock band, and I like to attack hypocrisy in the scene whenever possible.

  37. Lizzie (greeneyed fem)
    Lizzie (greeneyed fem) August 27, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    My dad bought me Ooooooohhh…On the TLC Tip when I was in middle school because he’d heard that TLC was all about safe sex. (My dad is awesome.) God, I loved that album to pieces.

    If you haven’t seen it, PLEASE get your hands on a copy of Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/) by filmmaker Byron Hurt. He shows that the “hip hop wife” phenomenom that LaToya mentions shows up in female fans too (“oh, he’s not talking about me”), and links misogyny and homophobia in popular music to cultural standards of masculinity. Hurt also makes it clear that hip-hop is just one type of music in our larger culture of masculinity and misogyny (music, movies, games). AND he’s really smart in pointing out the commercial forces behind the most violent, anti-woman types of hip hop (record execs market it, mostly white kids buy it) and what it says about popular conceptions of black masculinity. (For example, he interviews white kids in the Midwest who don’t know any black people at all but are big fans of 50 Cent.)

    I remember one scene where some record company is having some kind of open auditions for rappers in NYC, and Hurt moves down the line of guys waiting to audition — he asks them why they don’t rap about things other than drugs, murder, sex, and money — and they tell him that only one type of persona will get you a contract. One guy in particular immediately spits rhymes about the personal/political dilemmas of wanting to help his neighborhood but feeling stuck — and then breaks off, saying, “they don’t want to hear that shit.” Really shows the larger forces at work.

  38. Feministe » Classic Country Feminism
    Feministe » Classic Country Feminism August 27, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    [...] Liberationist Feminism (Or, I Hope Pro-Capitalist Feminism Is an Oxymoron)Lizzie (greeneyed fem) on Before I discovered feminism…Latoya on Before I discovered feminism…Why I Hate Teach for America « Teach For [...]

  39. Joseph
    Joseph August 27, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    Hey Latoya,
    Have you seen the current (August 2008) issue of Spin with Duffy on the cover? There are two articles in it that might interest you in light of this conversation: One about D’Angelo who, according to the article, self-destructed at least partly because of the body-image pressure put on him and an awesome interview with Q-Tip, who talks about his transition from young leader in the native tongues movement to “MC Elder.”

    The D’Angelo article includes this quote from ?uestlove: “When I create things, I almost have to dumb it down a little, because low record sales for me is seen like a failure…Black product is only celebrated when the artist’s image is overbloated, overanimated, and there’s sales to back it up…The new minstrel movement in hip-hop doesn’t allow the audience to believe the artist is smart…I love (Radiohead’s) Kid A, but I don’t think D’angelo would be allowed to sing ‘Cut the kids in half’ over and over and be taken seriously. It’d be like, ‘What’s wrong with that boy?'”

  40. FIA fete/femei in actiune/activism (women/girls in action/activism) » Blog Archives » changing things? opting out? (punk rock and hip-hop too)

    [...] i got to the punk discussion via a post on feministe titled “Before I discovered feminism…”, which about the same problem of negotiating one’s involvement as a woman in an often [...]

  41. femmina
    femmina August 27, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

    If anyone is interested in the documentary mentioned by Lizzie, I have a copy of it and could probably manage to share it with people who are interested. It’s kinda difficult to find, or at least that’s my experience, so just let me know. It really is amazing.

  42. XtinaS
    XtinaS August 27, 2008 at 5:53 pm |

    femmina, I’m wicked interested.  Could you send me a copy?

  43. RumTumTugger
    RumTumTugger August 27, 2008 at 6:17 pm |

    OMG, TLC!!! I used to love them as a kid.

  44. Sheelzebub
    Sheelzebub August 28, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    WRT Judas Priest–the level of denial among metal fans was fucking epic, considering the fact that Halford was Metal’s Leather Daddy (TM) before he came out. I’m not so into metal anymore, but I always love me some Priest. And Halford was just AWESOME live.

    And who mentioned the Jungle Brothers? I LOVE THE JUNGLE BROTHERS. The Jungle Brothers rock my world.

    /fangirl ranting

  45. Sheelzebub
    Sheelzebub August 28, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    And now, Latoya, I’ve got “VIP” stuck in my head. Prolly my favorite Jungle Brothers song EVAR!!!1!

  46. Doctress Julia
    Doctress Julia August 28, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    The Jungle, the Jungle, the Brothers, the Brothers.

  47. femmina
    femmina August 28, 2008 at 5:29 pm |

    @Latoya and XtinaS sure thing, give me a day or so, my computer is having some issues and I’m working on re-formating it so I don’t have access to all of my stuff.

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    Snoop Dogg: mainstream furry.

  49. DiosaNegra1967
    DiosaNegra1967 August 29, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    *whew* …just got over here….

    great post, latoya!

    i dug the queen, TLD, salt & pepa….oh for sure….i managed to mix them in with joan jett, the runaways, siouxsie & the banshees….i loved “original” hip-hop, but what happened? “the message” was fierce, but it seemed like the later generation took what was rapped about and internalized it….instead of trying to find solutions to get out of this mess, rap/hip-hop seemed to become a means to perpetuate the worst of the behaviours rapped about…..

    *sigh*

    @william and sheelzebub: oh yeah….metal is misogynistic to the HILT! i have a major “jones” for danzig….but sometimes i wanna grab him and shake him really hard, because he’s so obviously “given in” to the whole rock and porn thing….what a pity…the man has a great voice….

    …halford RULES! and, i “smelled what he was cooking” way before he came out…the signs WERE there….LOL i love the “denial” of the metal fans also….it’s like no one (artists or fans) have mentioned anything about his “coming out” since….odd innit?

    …especially when you look at singers like melissa etheridge and elton john….who have everything they do or say prefaced by the phrase, “openly lesbian” or “openly gay”….no one has done that to halford. why? is he some sort of sacred cow or are members of the media scared of p*ssing off metal fans? or are metal fans afraid to look at metal/hardcore/punk’s homoerotic tendencies amongst it’s overwhelmingly male fan base?

    …sorry for that tangent….but food for thought, indeed.

    @ Fatemeh: “It really gets at those nasty feelings when you first realize you’ve been singled out as a girl and reduced to something you’re not because of your gender.”

    you said a MOUTHFUL Fatemeh! i remember my “moment”….i was 12 and had a new (very womanly) figure…thanks to a stint at a fat farm…. *shudder*

    @ DaisyDeadHead: i dig Dr. Dyson….but he can be a bit of a “hip-hop apologist” sometimes….i’ve seen him on several live panel discussions….if you get the chance, definitely do so (provided you can keep from swooning) *smile* also, you might want to keep an eye on CSPAN, FreeSpeech TV and your local PBS channels….as he is known to pop up on those from time to time….

  50. Doggystyle and feminism « DJ Jojo
    Doggystyle and feminism « DJ Jojo August 29, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

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  51. season of the bitch » Hip-hop feminism
    season of the bitch » Hip-hop feminism September 2, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    [...] Latoya inspired me to think about the hip-hop and R&B girl groups that were around when I was younger. Then I went out to have a couple of drinks and ended up in a karaoke bar with friends watching people revive classic songs from that era–the late 80s and early 90s. I’d already had one song in my head–one I mentioned in Latoya’s thread over there, and a little YouTubing brought me to all the gems I’m sharing below. [...]

  52. Blogroll Shout-Outs. « PostBourgie
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  54. Awakening as a hip-hop feminist « Spin the Truth

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