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	<title>Comments on: Xenophobia Rears its Ugly Head in All Sorts of Places</title>
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		<title>By: Crys T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crys T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to second what dana said.  Brits may not be great at languages, but my god, do they travel.  If you&#039;re middle-class and twenty-something, taking off for a year or two around the world is not uncommon.

Just one nit-pick:  the switching from saying &quot;Britain&quot; to saying &quot;England&quot; as if they were synonymous.  Those millions of Brits who aren&#039;t from England would seriously disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to second what dana said.  Brits may not be great at languages, but my god, do they travel.  If you&#8217;re middle-class and twenty-something, taking off for a year or two around the world is not uncommon.</p>
<p>Just one nit-pick:  the switching from saying &#8220;Britain&#8221; to saying &#8220;England&#8221; as if they were synonymous.  Those millions of Brits who aren&#8217;t from England would seriously disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it the LPGA would suspend deaf women as well?</description>
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		<title>By: garlicbreath</title>
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		<dc:creator>garlicbreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The yummy irony in the LPGA&#039;s new policy is that South Korea might be the nation that spends the most per capita on English language education. Recently, the South Korean president proposed that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/feb/08/tefl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all subjects in Korean public elementary and secondary schools be taught in English... by 2010.&lt;/a&gt; So if the LPGA is trying their own version of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairvote.org/?page=875&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poll tax&lt;/a&gt; in order to reduce Korean participation (dare I say, dominance?) on the tour, I suspect Koreans are better situated to respond than most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The yummy irony in the LPGA&#8217;s new policy is that South Korea might be the nation that spends the most per capita on English language education. Recently, the South Korean president proposed that <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/feb/08/tefl" rel="nofollow">all subjects in Korean public elementary and secondary schools be taught in English&#8230; by 2010.</a> So if the LPGA is trying their own version of the <a href="http://www.fairvote.org/?page=875" rel="nofollow">poll tax</a> in order to reduce Korean participation (dare I say, dominance?) on the tour, I suspect Koreans are better situated to respond than most.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you been to Britain/do you know many British? They are just as bad if not worse in reputation than Americans for learning languages and traveling to foreign countries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Learning other languages (and being arrogant about being English-speakers)? Hell yes. Travelling? Not so much. It&#039;s pretty common for Britains to travel to France/other parts of Europe, and a lot of them make it over to New Zealand/Australia - it&#039;s certainly pushed enough as a tourist destination.

England is hideously insular and xenophobic but they&#039;re certainly keen on travelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Have you been to Britain/do you know many British? They are just as bad if not worse in reputation than Americans for learning languages and traveling to foreign countries.</p></blockquote>
<p>Learning other languages (and being arrogant about being English-speakers)? Hell yes. Travelling? Not so much. It&#8217;s pretty common for Britains to travel to France/other parts of Europe, and a lot of them make it over to New Zealand/Australia &#8211; it&#8217;s certainly pushed enough as a tourist destination.</p>
<p>England is hideously insular and xenophobic but they&#8217;re certainly keen on travelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, I hope the LPGA starts to take the reciprocal action of learning to pronounce players’ names correctly!&lt;/i&gt;

Touché.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, I hope the LPGA starts to take the reciprocal action of learning to pronounce players’ names correctly!</i></p>
<p>Touché.</p>
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		<title>By: Pilar Cruz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pilar Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I hope the LPGA starts to take the reciprocal action of learning to pronounce players&#039; names correctly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I hope the LPGA starts to take the reciprocal action of learning to pronounce players&#8217; names correctly!</p>
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		<title>By: dananddanica</title>
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		<dc:creator>dananddanica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that added onus pretty much explains it luzzleanne. I&#039;m from Maine and spent a lot of time in Northern Maine, I learned a bit of Quebeqois but not a whole lot and I felt no need to, just as some of my friends friends felt no need to learn English as they didn&#039;t have to. It is entirely different in Europe and I do think Europes history and geography determine a large part of it. If Russian was the language spoken by 95% of the people in New Hampshire, I probably would have learned it, or if 95% of the folks in Vermont had spoken German, same thing. Maine has the highest number per capita of French speakers in the nation but most Mainers dont learn more than words or phrases, just the way it is and will continue to be unless another language supplants English in the world. 

As far as this lpga policy, I see why they are formulating this policy, I don&#039;t agree with it though. Heck I&#039;m hoping for a day when the LPGA will be abolished but we&#039;re a long way from seeing that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that added onus pretty much explains it luzzleanne. I&#8217;m from Maine and spent a lot of time in Northern Maine, I learned a bit of Quebeqois but not a whole lot and I felt no need to, just as some of my friends friends felt no need to learn English as they didn&#8217;t have to. It is entirely different in Europe and I do think Europes history and geography determine a large part of it. If Russian was the language spoken by 95% of the people in New Hampshire, I probably would have learned it, or if 95% of the folks in Vermont had spoken German, same thing. Maine has the highest number per capita of French speakers in the nation but most Mainers dont learn more than words or phrases, just the way it is and will continue to be unless another language supplants English in the world. </p>
<p>As far as this lpga policy, I see why they are formulating this policy, I don&#8217;t agree with it though. Heck I&#8217;m hoping for a day when the LPGA will be abolished but we&#8217;re a long way from seeing that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: luzzleanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>luzzleanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That being said, America’s size and insularity do make us much more reluctant as a culture to learn foreign language than the British, who are right next door to the myriad languages of Europe, are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure about this.  If you think about it there are a good lot of languages fairly close to us: Cajun French and Quebequois, the different Latin American versions of Spanish, Italian, Polish, Ukranian, Hungarian, German, Russian, and other immigrant languages that many people&#039;s grandparents and parents still speak fluently, and fairly large communities of Asian Americans that still speak their native laguages. Not to mention the strange little dialects that aren&#039;t English but are indigenous to the US (Pennsylvania Dutch is the one that&#039;s comming to mind, though that&#039;s fairly specific to a certain religious group). If people wanted to learn a second language, there&#039;s plenty of chance to do so.  I mean, there&#039;s not the added onus of &quot;we&#039;re in your country&quot; but the chance is still there.

I think the reason so many Americans don&#039;t bother to learn a second language is definately more the (sometimes unconcious) privelege of just not having to, rather than having anything to do with being isolated away from languages we could learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That being said, America’s size and insularity do make us much more reluctant as a culture to learn foreign language than the British, who are right next door to the myriad languages of Europe, are.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about this.  If you think about it there are a good lot of languages fairly close to us: Cajun French and Quebequois, the different Latin American versions of Spanish, Italian, Polish, Ukranian, Hungarian, German, Russian, and other immigrant languages that many people&#8217;s grandparents and parents still speak fluently, and fairly large communities of Asian Americans that still speak their native laguages. Not to mention the strange little dialects that aren&#8217;t English but are indigenous to the US (Pennsylvania Dutch is the one that&#8217;s comming to mind, though that&#8217;s fairly specific to a certain religious group). If people wanted to learn a second language, there&#8217;s plenty of chance to do so.  I mean, there&#8217;s not the added onus of &#8220;we&#8217;re in your country&#8221; but the chance is still there.</p>
<p>I think the reason so many Americans don&#8217;t bother to learn a second language is definately more the (sometimes unconcious) privelege of just not having to, rather than having anything to do with being isolated away from languages we could learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Leopold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That being said, America’s size and insularity do make us much more reluctant as a culture to learn foreign language than the British, who are right next door to the myriad languages of Europe, are.&quot;

Have you been to Britain/do you know many British?  They are just as bad if not worse in reputation than Americans for learning languages and traveling to foreign countries.  See the British&#039;s reputation in Spain for coming to their vacation home there and making no attempt to speak Spanish to any of their neighbors.  I see the same thing in France all the time.  Wandering around Paris asking where&#039;s the Marks &amp; Spencer&#039;s... heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That being said, America’s size and insularity do make us much more reluctant as a culture to learn foreign language than the British, who are right next door to the myriad languages of Europe, are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you been to Britain/do you know many British?  They are just as bad if not worse in reputation than Americans for learning languages and traveling to foreign countries.  See the British&#8217;s reputation in Spain for coming to their vacation home there and making no attempt to speak Spanish to any of their neighbors.  I see the same thing in France all the time.  Wandering around Paris asking where&#8217;s the Marks &amp; Spencer&#8217;s&#8230; heh.</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
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		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways, this policy is quite unAmerican as the US currently does not have an official language along with the OP&#039;s point that one&#039;s English skills has no bearing on being a great golfer.  

Moreover, given their attitude and the current global trends....that golfing association may want to consider investing in some Mandarin Chinese lessons.....

&lt;blockquote&gt;when I was living in Barcelona, it was far, far easier to see films and hear music from more corners of the earth than it is in the UK).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I was in China in the late &#039;90s....television stations were still showing old Maoist era movies,  Chinese history period films, and music videos of the People&#039;s Liberation Army&#039;s Song and Dance troupe like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvU6I3go4uU&amp;feature=related

Though I listened to a lot of Chinese music on the radio during that summer, the vast majority of the music being played was their equivalent of the Top-40 Mandarin pop music from Mainland China, Hong Kong, and the ROC(Taiwan).  In fact, I&#039;ve only heard one Western song during my entire stay: Ace of Base&#039;s &quot;It&#039;s a Beautiful Life&quot;.  

Though American movies were popular among students and young adults, they co-existed with the popularity of Hong Kong, ROC (Taiwan) cinema, and Mainland Chinese films.  Over the last few years, there has also been a rise in popularity in movies, tv shows, and pop music from South Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, this policy is quite unAmerican as the US currently does not have an official language along with the OP&#8217;s point that one&#8217;s English skills has no bearing on being a great golfer.  </p>
<p>Moreover, given their attitude and the current global trends&#8230;.that golfing association may want to consider investing in some Mandarin Chinese lessons&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>when I was living in Barcelona, it was far, far easier to see films and hear music from more corners of the earth than it is in the UK).</p></blockquote>
<p>When I was in China in the late &#8217;90s&#8230;.television stations were still showing old Maoist era movies,  Chinese history period films, and music videos of the People&#8217;s Liberation Army&#8217;s Song and Dance troupe like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvU6I3go4uU&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvU6I3go4uU&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Though I listened to a lot of Chinese music on the radio during that summer, the vast majority of the music being played was their equivalent of the Top-40 Mandarin pop music from Mainland China, Hong Kong, and the ROC(Taiwan).  In fact, I&#8217;ve only heard one Western song during my entire stay: Ace of Base&#8217;s &#8220;It&#8217;s a Beautiful Life&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Though American movies were popular among students and young adults, they co-existed with the popularity of Hong Kong, ROC (Taiwan) cinema, and Mainland Chinese films.  Over the last few years, there has also been a rise in popularity in movies, tv shows, and pop music from South Korea.</p>
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