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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Lyonside</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-200012</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyonside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Losing jobs&quot; for me means losing GOOD jobs - you know, the union jobs that don&#039;t require an advanced degree, but pay a living wage and benefits - really who cares if the job loss rate is 0% if the jobs lost are disproportionally replaced with minimum wage-no benefit shift workers at Walgreens?

And even good jobs are not evenly replaced in the same communities that lost the jobs to begin with. For urban communities, especially, our urban centers, etc. this is a reality. It doesn&#039;t matter if Dow builds a brand new plant 50 miles away if you can&#039;t get there. Those urban centers are disproportionally black and latino, you know, the core audience for hip-hop? Therefore in the context of the song, it&#039;s completely valid to talk about job losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Losing jobs&#8221; for me means losing GOOD jobs &#8211; you know, the union jobs that don&#8217;t require an advanced degree, but pay a living wage and benefits &#8211; really who cares if the job loss rate is 0% if the jobs lost are disproportionally replaced with minimum wage-no benefit shift workers at Walgreens?</p>
<p>And even good jobs are not evenly replaced in the same communities that lost the jobs to begin with. For urban communities, especially, our urban centers, etc. this is a reality. It doesn&#8217;t matter if Dow builds a brand new plant 50 miles away if you can&#8217;t get there. Those urban centers are disproportionally black and latino, you know, the core audience for hip-hop? Therefore in the context of the song, it&#8217;s completely valid to talk about job losses.</p>
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		<title>By: Latoya</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199981</link>
		<dc:creator>Latoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lauren -

Ah, Slug.  Naw, I haven&#039;t listened to the new Atmosphere album.  Slug tends to fall under my &quot;mad at the world/break up&quot; playlists so I tend to leave him alone unless I&#039;m feeling moody.  I&#039;ll check out the latest though.

@Angela - 

Run a search on my site for those terms.  We discuss them often.  Most rappers don&#039;t cover the WTO and other large factions of world trade because they are complex issues.  Sixteen bars doesn&#039;t really do it justice, and it won&#039;t be accessible to the average listener.  A couple folks on the fringes can do it, but it won&#039;t get mainstream airplay like homegrown problems will.

And WTO/IMF/World bank and other organizations (and the trade agreements these orgs gave rise to) are not where most of the troubles lie in America.  It is one part of a larger multinational problem, and Americans feel the effects, but we wreak more havoc through those methods than anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lauren -</p>
<p>Ah, Slug.  Naw, I haven&#8217;t listened to the new Atmosphere album.  Slug tends to fall under my &#8220;mad at the world/break up&#8221; playlists so I tend to leave him alone unless I&#8217;m feeling moody.  I&#8217;ll check out the latest though.</p>
<p>@Angela &#8211; </p>
<p>Run a search on my site for those terms.  We discuss them often.  Most rappers don&#8217;t cover the WTO and other large factions of world trade because they are complex issues.  Sixteen bars doesn&#8217;t really do it justice, and it won&#8217;t be accessible to the average listener.  A couple folks on the fringes can do it, but it won&#8217;t get mainstream airplay like homegrown problems will.</p>
<p>And WTO/IMF/World bank and other organizations (and the trade agreements these orgs gave rise to) are not where most of the troubles lie in America.  It is one part of a larger multinational problem, and Americans feel the effects, but we wreak more havoc through those methods than anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199963</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latoya, can you look back in your archives and see is you have any raps on NAFTA and the WTO (World Trade Organization)? 

Look em up. You&#039;ll find out that&#039;s where most of this country&#039;s troubles lie. Of course this gave rise to another bad policy called CAFTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latoya, can you look back in your archives and see is you have any raps on NAFTA and the WTO (World Trade Organization)? </p>
<p>Look em up. You&#8217;ll find out that&#8217;s where most of this country&#8217;s troubles lie. Of course this gave rise to another bad policy called CAFTA.</p>
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		<title>By: (Chorus- Mary J Blige) &#171; Teaser</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199914</link>
		<dc:creator>(Chorus- Mary J Blige) &#171; Teaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Pretty Cover For The Bones &#171; Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199899</link>
		<dc:creator>A Pretty Cover For The Bones &#171; Natalia Antonova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pretty Cover For The&#160;Bones  Jump to Comments This one is for Latoya, who reminded me of my love for beautiful TLC and Mary J. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division)</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199858</link>
		<dc:creator>Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really like that the song points out that the average person is suffering, regardless of gender. It’s not just enough to have male feminists, but we need women fighting for men’s issues too (like incarceration rates). Really good message of unity, which is the only way any real and lasting progress will ever be made.&quot;

Could NOT agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really like that the song points out that the average person is suffering, regardless of gender. It’s not just enough to have male feminists, but we need women fighting for men’s issues too (like incarceration rates). Really good message of unity, which is the only way any real and lasting progress will ever be made.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could NOT agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199856</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latoya, have to listened to the latest Atmosphere album?  I&#039;m loving the stories of regular, middle-class working folks in the Midwest battling depression and despair while they work their shitty jobs and try to raise their kids (plus it&#039;s a nice break from Slug&#039;s usual writing topic:  Slug).

It&#039;s definitely not an unmined topic in hip hop, but I haven&#039;t seen anything along these lines in awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latoya, have to listened to the latest Atmosphere album?  I&#8217;m loving the stories of regular, middle-class working folks in the Midwest battling depression and despair while they work their shitty jobs and try to raise their kids (plus it&#8217;s a nice break from Slug&#8217;s usual writing topic:  Slug).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely not an unmined topic in hip hop, but I haven&#8217;t seen anything along these lines in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division)</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199850</link>
		<dc:creator>Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best piece of hip hop I&#039;ve heard since Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip&#039;s album &#039;Angles&#039;.

But then, I don&#039;t listen to a vast amount of the genre.

Equitist - You seem to be being pedantic as to the meaning of &quot;Losing jobs&quot;, indeed I would suggest that your criticism strays into the realms of ultra-pedantry. Especially due to your reliance upon the official unemployment statistics, which I have little evidence to suggest the reliability of. 

Furthermore if you can find someone offering a swifter withdrawal plan then Obama please inform me of their names and schemes. A military retreat is a tricky and risky thing to execute, with armies rather making themselves targets in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best piece of hip hop I&#8217;ve heard since Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip&#8217;s album &#8216;Angles&#8217;.</p>
<p>But then, I don&#8217;t listen to a vast amount of the genre.</p>
<p>Equitist &#8211; You seem to be being pedantic as to the meaning of &#8220;Losing jobs&#8221;, indeed I would suggest that your criticism strays into the realms of ultra-pedantry. Especially due to your reliance upon the official unemployment statistics, which I have little evidence to suggest the reliability of. </p>
<p>Furthermore if you can find someone offering a swifter withdrawal plan then Obama please inform me of their names and schemes. A military retreat is a tricky and risky thing to execute, with armies rather making themselves targets in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199778</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people are losing jobs every day. statistically perhaps it&#039;s not a problem on the rise, but it is a problem that many people are facing and it is real.

i didn&#039;t take the &quot;i heard him say&quot; to be directly referencing obama. in fact, mary continues to sing &quot;but it&#039;s not that way etc etc&quot; - that the &#039;american dream&#039; is far from the american reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people are losing jobs every day. statistically perhaps it&#8217;s not a problem on the rise, but it is a problem that many people are facing and it is real.</p>
<p>i didn&#8217;t take the &#8220;i heard him say&#8221; to be directly referencing obama. in fact, mary continues to sing &#8220;but it&#8217;s not that way etc etc&#8221; &#8211; that the &#8216;american dream&#8217; is far from the american reality.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatCrazyEquitist</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/30/musical-interlude/#comment-199771</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatCrazyEquitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like that the song points out that the average person is suffering, regardless of gender.  It&#039;s not just enough to have male feminists, but we need women fighting for men&#039;s issues too (like incarceration rates).  Really good message of unity, which is the only way any real and lasting progress will ever be made.

Two small factual errors in the song though:

We&#039;re not &quot;losing jobs every day.&quot;  The total number of jobs is up since 2000.  However, the number that matters is actually the unemployment rate (since the raw number of jobs only matters in relation to the size of the population).  Unemployment is presently 5.7%, which isn&#039;t particularly high since the all time average is 5.6%.  In December of 2007 unemployment was well below the average, at 5.0%.  You can still argue that the US is doing poorly in the global economy, but the issues are things like the devaluation of the dollar and the price of oil (which th song mentions).  But for job loss, we&#039;re doing okay.

As for &quot;I heard him say that they would bring our soldiers home in one piece today,&quot; it&#039;s a pretty big stretch from Obama&#039;s withdrawal plan.  Obama&#039;s campaign site says that he would conduct a phased withdrawal from Iraq which would, best case scenerio, be complete in the summer of 2010.  Some troops would remain, just like we have in Germany, Japan, and every other country with an embassy.  Obama&#039;s plan does not call for the removal of troops from Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like that the song points out that the average person is suffering, regardless of gender.  It&#8217;s not just enough to have male feminists, but we need women fighting for men&#8217;s issues too (like incarceration rates).  Really good message of unity, which is the only way any real and lasting progress will ever be made.</p>
<p>Two small factual errors in the song though:</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not &#8220;losing jobs every day.&#8221;  The total number of jobs is up since 2000.  However, the number that matters is actually the unemployment rate (since the raw number of jobs only matters in relation to the size of the population).  Unemployment is presently 5.7%, which isn&#8217;t particularly high since the all time average is 5.6%.  In December of 2007 unemployment was well below the average, at 5.0%.  You can still argue that the US is doing poorly in the global economy, but the issues are things like the devaluation of the dollar and the price of oil (which th song mentions).  But for job loss, we&#8217;re doing okay.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;I heard him say that they would bring our soldiers home in one piece today,&#8221; it&#8217;s a pretty big stretch from Obama&#8217;s withdrawal plan.  Obama&#8217;s campaign site says that he would conduct a phased withdrawal from Iraq which would, best case scenerio, be complete in the summer of 2010.  Some troops would remain, just like we have in Germany, Japan, and every other country with an embassy.  Obama&#8217;s plan does not call for the removal of troops from Afghanistan.</p>
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