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	<title>Comments on: While Palin was mayor, Wasilla billed rape victims for their rape kits</title>
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		<title>By: Surprise, Surprise: Palin Caught in Another Lie : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/08/while-palin-was-mayor-wasilla-billed-rape-victims-for-their-rape-kits/#comment-202792</link>
		<dc:creator>Surprise, Surprise: Palin Caught in Another Lie : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] probably read just about everywhere by now that while Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed rape victims the $1200 fee for their rape kits. Of course, Palin has tried to sidestep the question and insinuate that she had nothing, nothing at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] probably read just about everywhere by now that while Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed rape victims the $1200 fee for their rape kits. Of course, Palin has tried to sidestep the question and insinuate that she had nothing, nothing at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why the women can&#039;t just line up and support Sarah Palin:

I think former Senator Ricky Santorum (R-Wingnutopia) says it best:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Santorum Chastises ‘Feminist Community’ For Not Embracing Palin -- thinkprogress.org

SANTORUM: &quot;Sarah Palin is the Clarence Thomas for feminists. The civil rights community, the African-American community obviously should have rallied behind Clarence Thomas an his achievement, but they hammered him because he was a conservative. And the civil rights establishment was first and foremost liberal and then for the liberal rights of — as liberals saw it, what blacks should have in this country. And the same thing with the feminist community.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;




(Sarcasm alert)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the women can&#8217;t just line up and support Sarah Palin:</p>
<p>I think former Senator Ricky Santorum (R-Wingnutopia) says it best:</p>
<blockquote><p>Santorum Chastises ‘Feminist Community’ For Not Embracing Palin &#8212; thinkprogress.org</p>
<p>SANTORUM: &#8220;Sarah Palin is the Clarence Thomas for feminists. The civil rights community, the African-American community obviously should have rallied behind Clarence Thomas an his achievement, but they hammered him because he was a conservative. And the civil rights establishment was first and foremost liberal and then for the liberal rights of — as liberals saw it, what blacks should have in this country. And the same thing with the feminist community.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Sarcasm alert)</p>
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		<title>By: Linkage extravaganza; I&#8217;m playing catch up! &#171; Small-Town Elitist</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/08/while-palin-was-mayor-wasilla-billed-rape-victims-for-their-rape-kits/#comment-202109</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkage extravaganza; I&#8217;m playing catch up! &#171; Small-Town Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has an important post everyone should see. Get a load of this, when Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, rape [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has an important post everyone should see. Get a load of this, when Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, rape [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lemonfemale</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemonfemale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Palin know about this?  It would have rarely happened.  Wasilla had less than 8 rapes a year, except in &#039;02 they had 16.  I can see where she would think like I would think, namely that who on EARTH would charge for a rape kit?  Potentially very big, but needs more work if the purpose is to convince people who weren&#039;t already against her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Palin know about this?  It would have rarely happened.  Wasilla had less than 8 rapes a year, except in &#8217;02 they had 16.  I can see where she would think like I would think, namely that who on EARTH would charge for a rape kit?  Potentially very big, but needs more work if the purpose is to convince people who weren&#8217;t already against her.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Suits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Suits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are rape kits so expensive?  

What is a community saying about rape when it doesn&#039;t support an important part of a rape investigation?  One would think a community would value getting rapists off the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are rape kits so expensive?  </p>
<p>What is a community saying about rape when it doesn&#8217;t support an important part of a rape investigation?  One would think a community would value getting rapists off the street.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raving Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raving Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama has ABSOLUTELY FAILED to enact legislation to protect Illinois rape victims from having to pay for their own rape kits, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-health-and-money/2008/2/21/rape-victims-can-be-hurt-financially-too.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;which they do to this very day&lt;/a&gt;.  And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1177105.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;until last month&lt;/a&gt;, every Democratic mayor in North Carolina allowed rape victims to be billed for the kits.

However, no rape victim in Wasilla ever paid a single cent for a rape kit.   And you haven&#039;t cited a single source indicating that one did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama has ABSOLUTELY FAILED to enact legislation to protect Illinois rape victims from having to pay for their own rape kits, <a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-health-and-money/2008/2/21/rape-victims-can-be-hurt-financially-too.html" rel="nofollow">which they do to this very day</a>.  And <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1177105.html" rel="nofollow">until last month</a>, every Democratic mayor in North Carolina allowed rape victims to be billed for the kits.</p>
<p>However, no rape victim in Wasilla ever paid a single cent for a rape kit.   And you haven&#8217;t cited a single source indicating that one did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, say some young girl is raped by her father. Perhaps Palin expects her to save her allowance to pay for the rape kit? Or maybe she should ask her rapist/dad for a loan? But I guess it wouldn&#039;t matter if she collected evidence or not, because even a solid rape conviction wouldn&#039;t allow her to get an abortion if she got pregnant from the rape.

Palin makes me feel physically sick. Policies like that don&#039;t seem all that different from rape itself... She might as well just tie women to the bed herself, and give rapists the room key. (Sorry if that&#039;s too graphic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, say some young girl is raped by her father. Perhaps Palin expects her to save her allowance to pay for the rape kit? Or maybe she should ask her rapist/dad for a loan? But I guess it wouldn&#8217;t matter if she collected evidence or not, because even a solid rape conviction wouldn&#8217;t allow her to get an abortion if she got pregnant from the rape.</p>
<p>Palin makes me feel physically sick. Policies like that don&#8217;t seem all that different from rape itself&#8230; She might as well just tie women to the bed herself, and give rapists the room key. (Sorry if that&#8217;s too graphic.)</p>
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		<title>By: RyanRutley</title>
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		<dc:creator>RyanRutley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, &quot;rape kit&quot; is a bit of a terrifying phrase.  A bit like &quot;Cops for Cancer&quot;.  It isn&#039;t clear that when they say &quot;Cops for Cancer&quot; that they&#039;re really against cancer.

Same with &quot;rape kit&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, &#8220;rape kit&#8221; is a bit of a terrifying phrase.  A bit like &#8220;Cops for Cancer&#8221;.  It isn&#8217;t clear that when they say &#8220;Cops for Cancer&#8221; that they&#8217;re really against cancer.</p>
<p>Same with &#8220;rape kit&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You want to shift the cost of forensic exams from the survivor to who? Whose purse are you going after?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You fail at fiscal conservatism, jz. Just because the majority of the posters and bloggers here are of a progressive bent doesn&#039;t mean you won&#039;t be called on a basic failure to understand theory. What you&#039;re arguing is that the cost of evidence collection and investigation for one crime should be shifted to the victim instead of the police department/taxpayers. The problem with that is that you create a system in which there is not equal protection under the law, something that is required for even the most conservative of liberty-based governmental systems. 

We don&#039;t charge the estate of a murder victim for the cost of investigating their murder. Evidence collection is evidence collection. If we were talking about paying for the hospital stays of rape victims you MIGHT have a point, but we aren&#039;t. If the cops don&#039;t have enough cash in their budget to investigate crimes the answer isn&#039;t to shift the cost of police work to victims. Not only is that monstrous but it is a dereliction of one of the few obvious roles of the government: law enforcement.

Either go back and brush up on your theory or be a better troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You want to shift the cost of forensic exams from the survivor to who? Whose purse are you going after?</p></blockquote>
<p>You fail at fiscal conservatism, jz. Just because the majority of the posters and bloggers here are of a progressive bent doesn&#8217;t mean you won&#8217;t be called on a basic failure to understand theory. What you&#8217;re arguing is that the cost of evidence collection and investigation for one crime should be shifted to the victim instead of the police department/taxpayers. The problem with that is that you create a system in which there is not equal protection under the law, something that is required for even the most conservative of liberty-based governmental systems. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t charge the estate of a murder victim for the cost of investigating their murder. Evidence collection is evidence collection. If we were talking about paying for the hospital stays of rape victims you MIGHT have a point, but we aren&#8217;t. If the cops don&#8217;t have enough cash in their budget to investigate crimes the answer isn&#8217;t to shift the cost of police work to victims. Not only is that monstrous but it is a dereliction of one of the few obvious roles of the government: law enforcement.</p>
<p>Either go back and brush up on your theory or be a better troll.</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let’s be clear: charging a crime victim for a medical test would, for people with insurance, just mean paying a modest hospital room co-pay.&quot;

Sorry, I missed this one earlier.  How do you figure it would just be a modest hospital room co-pay?  It&#039;s not medical treatment, it&#039;s not medically necessary, and the purpose of the exam is documentary, not diagnostic.  Half the insurance companies out there would probably bounce such a claim immediately, and the other half would very likely be within their rights to deny coverage for it at will.

Though yes, it would (and almost assuredly does) function to establish a differential in law-enforcement treatment, where only women who can scrape together the cash for the optional exam would be able to report and have any realistic hope of seeing a conviction, particularly now that forensic evidence is expected in sexual assault cases.  I&#039;m sure it would also function to keep women who could theoretically pony up for the exam fee but who&#039;d be left hurting by it from undergoing the exam, given the enormous backlog of untested kits some areas have.  Why bother choosing between justice and rent if you know there&#039;s a 90% chance you&#039;ll be sacrificing just so your clothes can take up space in some police department storage locker until the statute of limitations runs out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let’s be clear: charging a crime victim for a medical test would, for people with insurance, just mean paying a modest hospital room co-pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, I missed this one earlier.  How do you figure it would just be a modest hospital room co-pay?  It&#8217;s not medical treatment, it&#8217;s not medically necessary, and the purpose of the exam is documentary, not diagnostic.  Half the insurance companies out there would probably bounce such a claim immediately, and the other half would very likely be within their rights to deny coverage for it at will.</p>
<p>Though yes, it would (and almost assuredly does) function to establish a differential in law-enforcement treatment, where only women who can scrape together the cash for the optional exam would be able to report and have any realistic hope of seeing a conviction, particularly now that forensic evidence is expected in sexual assault cases.  I&#8217;m sure it would also function to keep women who could theoretically pony up for the exam fee but who&#8217;d be left hurting by it from undergoing the exam, given the enormous backlog of untested kits some areas have.  Why bother choosing between justice and rent if you know there&#8217;s a 90% chance you&#8217;ll be sacrificing just so your clothes can take up space in some police department storage locker until the statute of limitations runs out?</p>
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