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		<title>By: Feminism, Priviledge, Race, and Other Stuff &#171; Naturally Curvy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-206085</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminism, Priviledge, Race, and Other Stuff &#171; Naturally Curvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] please, stop telling me I should be ashamed of who I am. Stop telling me I do not want &#8220;you&#8221; in my fight and that I do not include you in what [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] please, stop telling me I should be ashamed of who I am. Stop telling me I do not want &#8220;you&#8221; in my fight and that I do not include you in what [...]</p>
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		<title>By: baserinstincts &#187; Linklovin&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-205591</link>
		<dc:creator>baserinstincts &#187; Linklovin&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe: Shall We Talk About Privilege - Wow. Beautifully written and not afraid to ask the tough questions. Owning privilege is not about feeling ashamed, it is about acknowledging the benefits that one receives without having to work for them.  It is about realizing that people born to different circumstances will not receive these benefits as a consequence of our skewed understanding of worth and value.  It is further about realizing that no matter how many good and charitable works I perform, my body will always exist with privilege.  No matter how often I donate my time to food banks or homeless shelters, I cannot undo the class privilege into which I was born. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feministe: Shall We Talk About Privilege &#8211; Wow. Beautifully written and not afraid to ask the tough questions. Owning privilege is not about feeling ashamed, it is about acknowledging the benefits that one receives without having to work for them.  It is about realizing that people born to different circumstances will not receive these benefits as a consequence of our skewed understanding of worth and value.  It is further about realizing that no matter how many good and charitable works I perform, my body will always exist with privilege.  No matter how often I donate my time to food banks or homeless shelters, I cannot undo the class privilege into which I was born. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203037</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, just in case it confuses anyone, my comment at 73 was referring to a comment that got stuck in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, just in case it confuses anyone, my comment at 73 was referring to a comment that got stuck in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: Crys T</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203023</link>
		<dc:creator>Crys T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to point out:  not American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to point out:  not American.</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203011</link>
		<dc:creator>r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* &quot;renee’s point about woc as nurses&quot; should be &quot;renee’s point about woc as &lt;i&gt;wetnurses&lt;/i&gt;&quot; there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* &#8220;renee’s point about woc as nurses&#8221; should be &#8220;renee’s point about woc as <i>wetnurses</i>&#8221; there</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203010</link>
		<dc:creator>r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s interesting the comments you reply to jesurgislac and the ones you don&#039;t. no, really, where are you from? because the thing is: renee&#039;s point about woc as nurses as an example of privileged women taking advantage of the bodies and labor of non-privileged women probably applies to just about any country that has had racial injustice at any point in its history (which i&#039;d say is most countries, no?). i can give you the example of romania, where roma (gypsy) women were traditionally the wetnurses for rich folks as far back as the middle ages. actually, you know what your &quot;argument&quot; reminds me of? romanians (mostly of the nationalistic/right wing persuasion) who declare REALLY LOUDLY that we actually didn&#039;t have slavery in romania because back then all poor people were more or less enslaved (indentured servants etc. under the feudal system). yeah, right... let&#039;s keep pretending. in fact, in romania for hundreds of years the rich, the state and the church actually &lt;i&gt;enslaved&lt;/i&gt; people, mostly romas though sometimes other people of other races/&quot;non-christians&quot; also, and abolition of this practice didn&#039;t come officially until the 1840s. you often hear &quot;but it wasn&#039;t slavery and it wasn&#039;t because they were another race, it&#039;s just a matter of class&quot; - sound familiar? 

also, you&#039;ve been making false assumptions/generalizations left and right here. renee was talking as a canadian and the link she gave to the &quot;historical&quot; practice of using woc as wetnurses referred to brazilian history. how is this &quot;us centric&quot; again?! if anything, i think i have a bigger problem with your conflating &quot;us&quot; and &quot;american&quot; so completely. and &lt;i&gt;what is your point&lt;/i&gt;? yes, you&#039;re right, there is us-privilege and us-centrism all over discussion on the internet, that&#039;s a good and important observation generally speaking, but &lt;i&gt;is it really relevant to renees&#039;s point here&lt;/i&gt;? was renee denying any &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; privilege? no - she was pointing out one example of privilege: an important one! why does it bother you so much? no, really, &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt;? if you actually care about the topic, it would actually be a fascinating discussion, about wetnursing as a practice at different times in different places around the globe. but are you helping to bring about such a discussion? no, you really seem to want renee to admit she has been blinded by her own privilege or something, and not to talk about the issue she wants to talk about, just to give you satisfaction. wtf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s interesting the comments you reply to jesurgislac and the ones you don&#8217;t. no, really, where are you from? because the thing is: renee&#8217;s point about woc as nurses as an example of privileged women taking advantage of the bodies and labor of non-privileged women probably applies to just about any country that has had racial injustice at any point in its history (which i&#8217;d say is most countries, no?). i can give you the example of romania, where roma (gypsy) women were traditionally the wetnurses for rich folks as far back as the middle ages. actually, you know what your &#8220;argument&#8221; reminds me of? romanians (mostly of the nationalistic/right wing persuasion) who declare REALLY LOUDLY that we actually didn&#8217;t have slavery in romania because back then all poor people were more or less enslaved (indentured servants etc. under the feudal system). yeah, right&#8230; let&#8217;s keep pretending. in fact, in romania for hundreds of years the rich, the state and the church actually <i>enslaved</i> people, mostly romas though sometimes other people of other races/&#8221;non-christians&#8221; also, and abolition of this practice didn&#8217;t come officially until the 1840s. you often hear &#8220;but it wasn&#8217;t slavery and it wasn&#8217;t because they were another race, it&#8217;s just a matter of class&#8221; &#8211; sound familiar? </p>
<p>also, you&#8217;ve been making false assumptions/generalizations left and right here. renee was talking as a canadian and the link she gave to the &#8220;historical&#8221; practice of using woc as wetnurses referred to brazilian history. how is this &#8220;us centric&#8221; again?! if anything, i think i have a bigger problem with your conflating &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;american&#8221; so completely. and <i>what is your point</i>? yes, you&#8217;re right, there is us-privilege and us-centrism all over discussion on the internet, that&#8217;s a good and important observation generally speaking, but <i>is it really relevant to renees&#8217;s point here</i>? was renee denying any <i>other</i> privilege? no &#8211; she was pointing out one example of privilege: an important one! why does it bother you so much? no, really, <i>why</i>? if you actually care about the topic, it would actually be a fascinating discussion, about wetnursing as a practice at different times in different places around the globe. but are you helping to bring about such a discussion? no, you really seem to want renee to admit she has been blinded by her own privilege or something, and not to talk about the issue she wants to talk about, just to give you satisfaction. wtf</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203009</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jesurgislac
&lt;blockquote&gt;That Renee was, as privilege does, claiming that her subset was the whole and that anyone who pointed out that the rest of the set still exists was attacking her.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seriously how many different ways from Sunday do you need to be told.  If you don&#039;t want to be called a thread derailing racist, stop acting like one.  I have explained the context of this post as well as made clear the class element involved. You are not interested in discussing privilege you are interested in putting your own spin on my words and it is ignorant silencing behavior. Thankfully for you this not my space.  This fact alone censors my words on the degree to which you have repeatedly offended my sensibilities. You have fouled this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesurgislac</p>
<blockquote><p>That Renee was, as privilege does, claiming that her subset was the whole and that anyone who pointed out that the rest of the set still exists was attacking her.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seriously how many different ways from Sunday do you need to be told.  If you don&#8217;t want to be called a thread derailing racist, stop acting like one.  I have explained the context of this post as well as made clear the class element involved. You are not interested in discussing privilege you are interested in putting your own spin on my words and it is ignorant silencing behavior. Thankfully for you this not my space.  This fact alone censors my words on the degree to which you have repeatedly offended my sensibilities. You have fouled this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesurgislac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am finding that close to 100% of the time “US privilege” or “US centricism” are brought up it is the for the purpose of slilencing a woman of color.&lt;/i&gt;

I am finding that close to 100% of the time when I bring up &quot;US privilege&quot; or &quot;US centricism&quot; or &quot;American exceptionalism&quot;, Americans complain that I&#039;m not being fair/don&#039;t understand/it isn&#039;t like that/get angry because I&#039;m dissing their worldview by pointing out that other people have a &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; worldview - especially when the point is that history did not begin with European colonization of the Americas. 

I think this is the very first time I&#039;ve brought it up in discussion with a woman of color (I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt;, because of course on the Internet YNK unless it&#039;s said). But I am not finding Renee&#039;s reaction any different from that of previous discussions: I&#039;m finding myself made more uncomfortable by accusations that pointing out the underlying theme of class in all use of wetnurses is racist, and therefore prefer to drop that discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am finding that close to 100% of the time “US privilege” or “US centricism” are brought up it is the for the purpose of slilencing a woman of color.</i></p>
<p>I am finding that close to 100% of the time when I bring up &#8220;US privilege&#8221; or &#8220;US centricism&#8221; or &#8220;American exceptionalism&#8221;, Americans complain that I&#8217;m not being fair/don&#8217;t understand/it isn&#8217;t like that/get angry because I&#8217;m dissing their worldview by pointing out that other people have a <i>different</i> worldview &#8211; especially when the point is that history did not begin with European colonization of the Americas. </p>
<p>I think this is the very first time I&#8217;ve brought it up in discussion with a woman of color (I <i>think</i>, because of course on the Internet YNK unless it&#8217;s said). But I am not finding Renee&#8217;s reaction any different from that of previous discussions: I&#8217;m finding myself made more uncomfortable by accusations that pointing out the underlying theme of class in all use of wetnurses is racist, and therefore prefer to drop that discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Crys T</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-203000</link>
		<dc:creator>Crys T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Annalouise.  That is it exactly.

I get sick of the unquestioning US-centric bias on many blogs, but what you said is right:  tactics like Jesu&#039;s are making it difficult to bring it up in a legitimate way.

I don&#039;t want an issue that&#039;s close to my heart to be used as a weapon/diversionary tactic against women like Renee who have valid points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Annalouise.  That is it exactly.</p>
<p>I get sick of the unquestioning US-centric bias on many blogs, but what you said is right:  tactics like Jesu&#8217;s are making it difficult to bring it up in a legitimate way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want an issue that&#8217;s close to my heart to be used as a weapon/diversionary tactic against women like Renee who have valid points.</p>
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		<title>By: annalouise</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/12/shall-we-talk-about-privilege/#comment-202998</link>
		<dc:creator>annalouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am certainly intersted in talking about the way that internet conversations are US-dominated and how US-based assumptions are treated as universal, I am finding that close to 100% of the time &quot;US privilege&quot; or &quot;US centricism&quot;  are brought up it is the for the purpose of slilencing a woman of color. 
 I&#039;m starting to thinking of &quot;US privilege&quot; as just a racist silencing tactic by white Europeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am certainly intersted in talking about the way that internet conversations are US-dominated and how US-based assumptions are treated as universal, I am finding that close to 100% of the time &#8220;US privilege&#8221; or &#8220;US centricism&#8221;  are brought up it is the for the purpose of slilencing a woman of color.<br />
 I&#8217;m starting to thinking of &#8220;US privilege&#8221; as just a racist silencing tactic by white Europeans.</p>
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