Comments on: Here Tits: The Wet Nurse and the Revival Of Mammy http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Some women are afraid of being mummy-tracked; others are afraid of being fired. — Hoyden About Town http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-230012 Some women are afraid of being mummy-tracked; others are afraid of being fired. — Hoyden About Town Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:58:11 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-230012 [...] Womanist Musings: “Here Tits: The Wet Nurse and The Revival Of Mammy” (cross-posted at Feministe) [...] [...] Womanist Musings: “Here Tits: The Wet Nurse and The Revival Of Mammy” (cross-posted at Feministe) [...]

]]> By: Jesurgislac http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203363 Jesurgislac Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:10 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203363 <i>Why should you be sorry, J?–since Renee has decided to disengage, you win! </i> If a historical inaccuracy is perpetuated, we all lose. <i>you could have just taken Renee’s point from where she was coming from</i> Accepted American privilege as the default experience on the Internet, regardless of the actual facts? Yes, of course I <i>could</i> have done that. All non-Americans do that some of the time: some non-Americans do that all of the time. Why should you be sorry, J?–since Renee has decided to disengage, you win!

If a historical inaccuracy is perpetuated, we all lose.

you could have just taken Renee’s point from where she was coming from

Accepted American privilege as the default experience on the Internet, regardless of the actual facts? Yes, of course I could have done that. All non-Americans do that some of the time: some non-Americans do that all of the time.

]]> By: Imagynne http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203356 Imagynne Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:23:56 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203356 Alternatively, Jesurgislac, you could have just taken Renee's point from where she was coming from, instead of making it all about your need to be right and force Renee to ADMIT you were right*. <i>If that’s why you don’t engage, well: I am sorry. </i> Why should you be sorry, J?--since Renee has decided to disengage, you win! *Please do not take this as me agreeing with you. Alternatively, Jesurgislac, you could have just taken Renee’s point from where she was coming from, instead of making it all about your need to be right and force Renee to ADMIT you were right*.

If that’s why you don’t engage, well: I am sorry.
Why should you be sorry, J?–since Renee has decided to disengage, you win!

*Please do not take this as me agreeing with you.

]]> By: Jill http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203249 Jill Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:26:52 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203249 I see I'm a little late to the party, but I'm also embarrassed and irritated at how Renee is being treated. Her points are being intentionally twisted, and the thread has been de-railed multiple times, despite Renee's requests that it stay on topic. Arguing in good faith is one thing, but that's not what I'm seeing happening in this thread. It's a little late to delete comments, since they're all building on each other, but if this kind of behavior continues I'm going to start deleting. So please knock it off and be respectful. I see I’m a little late to the party, but I’m also embarrassed and irritated at how Renee is being treated. Her points are being intentionally twisted, and the thread has been de-railed multiple times, despite Renee’s requests that it stay on topic. Arguing in good faith is one thing, but that’s not what I’m seeing happening in this thread. It’s a little late to delete comments, since they’re all building on each other, but if this kind of behavior continues I’m going to start deleting. So please knock it off and be respectful.

]]> By: Jesurgislac http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203209 Jesurgislac Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:00:26 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203209 Renee: <i>I just wanted to say that I am disgusted with the derailment of this thread. </i> Well, you <i>could</i> have fixed your derailment here: "For those that aren’t aware, historically it has been white women paying, or forcing WOC to act as wet nurses for their children." "For those that aren’t aware, in post-colonialist countries, historically it has been white parents paying, or forcing WOC to act as wet nurses for their children." <i>threads like this are exactly why WOC increasingly don’t engage. </i> You chose not to, but instead to get "disgusted" at people pointing out the historical error you made <i>and</i> at people who kept pointing out that <i>white men aren't innocent</i> in this. If that's why you don't engage, well: I am sorry. I got angry as well, and I apologize for that. But historical truth matters to me. So does arguing well. You made a factually incorrect statement - which wouldn't have taken much to acknowledge and correct, especially if you wanted (as is your right) to focus on one specific area of history about wet nursing. And you never did want to admit that white men are at least equally responsible with white women for making use of the milk of WOC to feed their children - which makes it a bad argument. But the thread got messy, and I argued intemperately, and I am sorry for that. I apologize. Renee: I just wanted to say that I am disgusted with the derailment of this thread.

Well, you could have fixed your derailment here:

“For those that aren’t aware, historically it has been white women paying, or forcing WOC to act as wet nurses for their children.”

“For those that aren’t aware, in post-colonialist countries, historically it has been white parents paying, or forcing WOC to act as wet nurses for their children.”

threads like this are exactly why WOC increasingly don’t engage.

You chose not to, but instead to get “disgusted” at people pointing out the historical error you made and at people who kept pointing out that white men aren’t innocent in this.

If that’s why you don’t engage, well: I am sorry. I got angry as well, and I apologize for that.

But historical truth matters to me. So does arguing well. You made a factually incorrect statement – which wouldn’t have taken much to acknowledge and correct, especially if you wanted (as is your right) to focus on one specific area of history about wet nursing. And you never did want to admit that white men are at least equally responsible with white women for making use of the milk of WOC to feed their children – which makes it a bad argument.

But the thread got messy, and I argued intemperately, and I am sorry for that. I apologize.

]]> By: Barbara P http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203200 Barbara P Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:02:44 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203200 For a thread that covers such trigger-topics as racism, classism, parenting, being childfree, capitalism and breastfeeding, it's amazing that it got to the depth that it did. Just pointing out the positives here... For a thread that covers such trigger-topics as racism, classism, parenting, being childfree, capitalism and breastfeeding, it’s amazing that it got to the depth that it did.

Just pointing out the positives here…

]]> By: foxdie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203105 foxdie Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:45:06 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203105 Oooh! Oooh! I'm a WoC,(or maybe not, I'm only half) and I don't feel silenced! But I'm not hyper sensitive.... Oooh! Oooh! I’m a WoC,(or maybe not, I’m only half) and I don’t feel silenced!

But I’m not hyper sensitive….

]]> By: Renee http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203093 Renee Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:05:45 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203093 I won't be back to comment on this thread after this. I just wanted to say that I am disgusted with the derailment of this thread. This could have been a wonderful conversation and instead it was reduced to semantics and bickering. I am sure it is easier to ignore the large issues at play here because it does not effect a large percentage of the population but it is a reality for some women and that should have given people pause to discuss this with the respect that it deserves. Enjoy your playground....threads like this are exactly why WOC increasingly don't engage. When you silence the voices that try and continually make their experience all about you, it stifles growth. It seems that myopia is a constant friend for some. I won’t be back to comment on this thread after this. I just wanted to say that I am disgusted with the derailment of this thread. This could have been a wonderful conversation and instead it was reduced to semantics and bickering. I am sure it is easier to ignore the large issues at play here because it does not effect a large percentage of the population but it is a reality for some women and that should have given people pause to discuss this with the respect that it deserves. Enjoy your playground….threads like this are exactly why WOC increasingly don’t engage. When you silence the voices that try and continually make their experience all about you, it stifles growth. It seems that myopia is a constant friend for some.

]]> By: foxdie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203090 foxdie Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:34:58 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203090 Wow, luna, it must really suck to get that worked up over shit that has nothing to do with you. I'm gonna breastfeed for like, oh, a month, tops. You know why? Just to spite you. Lol, no, really, it's because I'm just a lazy bitch. Wow, luna, it must really suck to get that worked up over shit that has nothing to do with you.

I’m gonna breastfeed for like, oh, a month, tops. You know why? Just to spite you.

Lol, no, really, it’s because I’m just a lazy bitch.

]]> By: annalouise http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/13/here-tits-the-wet-nurse-and-the-revival-of-mammy/#comment-203086 annalouise Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:02:01 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=8524#comment-203086 Indiviual la leche league groups are going to vary and there are plenty of la leche groups that are welcoming to a wide variety of people and are good support groups. But the official national policies of La Leche league are misogynist and that misgyny and homophobia is found all over their print materials. There are , fortunatly, there are plenty of feminist and queer friendly breast feeding resources out there. Indiviual la leche league groups are going to vary and there are plenty of la leche groups that are welcoming to a wide variety of people and are good support groups.
But the official national policies of La Leche league are misogynist and that misgyny and homophobia is found all over their print materials. There are , fortunatly, there are plenty of feminist and queer friendly breast feeding resources out there.

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