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	<title>Comments on: Healthy Transitions for Adolescent Girls: working session at the CGI</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laura: Wow, duh. Yeah, kinda can&#039;t believe I didn&#039;t recognize the most significant absence in the room, that of adolescent girls. Thank you for pointing that out!

@Emily: &quot;unnecessary and misleading&quot; - agreed. And also so, so typical that someone feels the need to rush in and reassure everyone that this isn&#039;t reverse sexism or something equally fallacious.

@Kate: I think it&#039;s important for people with privilege to do something to combat the oppression from which they benefit. But doing something is different from &lt;em&gt;deciding&lt;/em&gt; what to do. I don&#039;t know how important it is to me that dominant, privileged voices be a part of the discussions around dismantling prejudice. This is not to say that these voices are never helpful or never provide good insight or ideas, but I just wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say they&#039;re important or necessary to the discourse.

@Kara: &quot;To a certain extent, by helping girls and women we are literally destroying the culture and values that already exist, and that is similar to Westernization.&quot; That&#039;s a scary thought - that we might be &quot;destroying culture and values.&quot; I hope the process of eradicating sexism doesn&#039;t have to be so violent, you know? It&#039;s a tense line to walk - fighting against sexism while also not enacting Western privilege and perceived cultural superiority. That&#039;s why it&#039;s always ideal for such struggles against feminism to come from within a culture rather than from without.

@Lauren: Hopefully it&#039;ll be coming tomorrow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura: Wow, duh. Yeah, kinda can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t recognize the most significant absence in the room, that of adolescent girls. Thank you for pointing that out!</p>
<p>@Emily: &#8220;unnecessary and misleading&#8221; &#8211; agreed. And also so, so typical that someone feels the need to rush in and reassure everyone that this isn&#8217;t reverse sexism or something equally fallacious.</p>
<p>@Kate: I think it&#8217;s important for people with privilege to do something to combat the oppression from which they benefit. But doing something is different from <em>deciding</em> what to do. I don&#8217;t know how important it is to me that dominant, privileged voices be a part of the discussions around dismantling prejudice. This is not to say that these voices are never helpful or never provide good insight or ideas, but I just wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say they&#8217;re important or necessary to the discourse.</p>
<p>@Kara: &#8220;To a certain extent, by helping girls and women we are literally destroying the culture and values that already exist, and that is similar to Westernization.&#8221; That&#8217;s a scary thought &#8211; that we might be &#8220;destroying culture and values.&#8221; I hope the process of eradicating sexism doesn&#8217;t have to be so violent, you know? It&#8217;s a tense line to walk &#8211; fighting against sexism while also not enacting Western privilege and perceived cultural superiority. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s always ideal for such struggles against feminism to come from within a culture rather than from without.</p>
<p>@Lauren: Hopefully it&#8217;ll be coming tomorrow!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to the Eitel post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to the Eitel post.</p>
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		<title>By: kara</title>
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		<dc:creator>kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a longer term goal of change social norms (cynical about whether that means the imposition or normalization of Western culture and values)...&quot;

To a certain extent, by helping girls and women we are literally destroying the culture and values that already exist, and that is similar to Westernization. The goal, though, is not to impart to them our superficial culture, like &quot;be white and skinny&quot;, instead passing on, &quot;use your voice and love your body&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a longer term goal of change social norms (cynical about whether that means the imposition or normalization of Western culture and values)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>To a certain extent, by helping girls and women we are literally destroying the culture and values that already exist, and that is similar to Westernization. The goal, though, is not to impart to them our superficial culture, like &#8220;be white and skinny&#8221;, instead passing on, &#8220;use your voice and love your body&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there is nothing wrong, AS SUCH, with people who aren&#039;t in the position of those they are talking about, talking about the issues with each other.  In fact, i think it&#039;s important (although, how come we can only ever have one &#039;minority&#039; group involved - men of colour or women, not both).

the trouble is that the point of privalege is that you can&#039;t see, you don&#039;t know, what is and isn&#039;t important or possible to those without your privalege.  The idea of using the internet is all well and good - but if you have poor literacy or no electricity, it&#039;s not so helpful, is it?

I strongly feel that white people and men shouldn&#039;t be left out of the conversation because we can&#039;t understand.  But we shouldn&#039;t be left alone to do it - that smacks of imperialism, colonialism, all those horrible -isms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that there is nothing wrong, AS SUCH, with people who aren&#8217;t in the position of those they are talking about, talking about the issues with each other.  In fact, i think it&#8217;s important (although, how come we can only ever have one &#8216;minority&#8217; group involved &#8211; men of colour or women, not both).</p>
<p>the trouble is that the point of privalege is that you can&#8217;t see, you don&#8217;t know, what is and isn&#8217;t important or possible to those without your privalege.  The idea of using the internet is all well and good &#8211; but if you have poor literacy or no electricity, it&#8217;s not so helpful, is it?</p>
<p>I strongly feel that white people and men shouldn&#8217;t be left out of the conversation because we can&#8217;t understand.  But we shouldn&#8217;t be left alone to do it &#8211; that smacks of imperialism, colonialism, all those horrible -isms.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bring girls in, don&#039;t bring boys&quot; out -- you are so right, it was the first concern voiced, and it was, in my view, unnecessary and misleading.  The position and status of girls vis a vis their brothers, male peers, and male relatives needs to be fundamentally shifted; if there needs to be girl-specific funding and girl-centered safe spaces for that to happen, that is vital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bring girls in, don&#8217;t bring boys&#8221; out &#8212; you are so right, it was the first concern voiced, and it was, in my view, unnecessary and misleading.  The position and status of girls vis a vis their brothers, male peers, and male relatives needs to be fundamentally shifted; if there needs to be girl-specific funding and girl-centered safe spaces for that to happen, that is vital.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that strikes me, not quite as much as the lack of people from less-privileged situations, but nonetheless- the planning of these projects don&#039;t seem to include the very people they are targeting- adolescent girls. It is true that members were adolescent at one time, but it still seems like another voice is missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that strikes me, not quite as much as the lack of people from less-privileged situations, but nonetheless- the planning of these projects don&#8217;t seem to include the very people they are targeting- adolescent girls. It is true that members were adolescent at one time, but it still seems like another voice is missing.</p>
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