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		<title>By: Hate Women? Support PETA &#187; VWOM Blog</title>
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		<title>By: PETA Fails at Talking about Humans, Yet Again &#171; Muslim Lookout</title>
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		<dc:creator>PETA Fails at Talking about Humans, Yet Again &#171; Muslim Lookout</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205453</link>
		<dc:creator>r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Breast milk is quite a bit lower in fat content than many other mammals because our children develop much slower.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

that&#039;s not true. human milk is lower in protein content, but the fat content is higher. human milk is perhaps not &quot;richer,&quot; but it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; sweeter and fattier (though as far as babies are concerned what&#039;s significant is the exact nutritional composition and many other factors - human milk is designed for growing human babies, while cow milk isn&#039;t). you can do a search and select scientific data on &quot;human milk compared to cow milk.&quot;

but isn&#039;t it disturbing that we don&#039;t have a clear idea about that? that we&#039;re not very educated about the milk of our own species or that we find it gross (and that when we think of &quot;milk&quot; the default is cow&#039;s milk)? and isn&#039;t it strange that though it&#039;s pretty straightforward information, even the nutritional facts are relatively obscure to most people?

&lt;blockquote&gt;this is a LIE. cows (and women) will continue to give milk so long as they are milked (in general).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

nope - not at the level of &quot;giving milk&quot; (continuous over many years) that we are talking about in the context of dairy production. please look up information on dairy practices (go ahead and check out the info coming directly from the dairy industry -- see what they do with the so-called &quot;rape racks&quot; for instance).

unfortunately, peta&#039;s campaign does nothing to dispel myths - that&#039;s their problem in a nutshell: supposedly they try to &quot;shake things up&quot; and make people think about animal cruelty, but what they actually accomplish with their &quot;the ends justify the means&quot; approach is to make the public cling to their misconceptions all the more (including, as we&#039;ve seen so many times, the sexist attitudes of those who don&#039;t mind being sexist and the speciesist attitudes of feminists who don&#039;t think an issue is feminist/worthy of their attention unless it involves a woman being denied a job promotion). 

and the other thing peta accomplishes with campaigns like this, unfortunately, is to give the whole animal welfare/rights movement a bad name... though it must be said, also, that it&#039;s disturbing how ready the majority of people are to distrust and dismiss those concerned about animal cruelty, probably so that they won&#039;t be forced to think about it (as any vegetarian knows by just existing in a meat-eating culture, you don&#039;t even have to do or say anything - you&#039;ll be considered a joke and/or a threat anyway). peta is making things worse (and in the process sadly ruining even their own positive contributions to reducing cruelty), but at the same time people should be honest and take responsibility for not being willing to hear the animal rights message &lt;i&gt;anyway&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Breast milk is quite a bit lower in fat content than many other mammals because our children develop much slower.</p></blockquote>
<p>that&#8217;s not true. human milk is lower in protein content, but the fat content is higher. human milk is perhaps not &#8220;richer,&#8221; but it <i>is</i> sweeter and fattier (though as far as babies are concerned what&#8217;s significant is the exact nutritional composition and many other factors &#8211; human milk is designed for growing human babies, while cow milk isn&#8217;t). you can do a search and select scientific data on &#8220;human milk compared to cow milk.&#8221;</p>
<p>but isn&#8217;t it disturbing that we don&#8217;t have a clear idea about that? that we&#8217;re not very educated about the milk of our own species or that we find it gross (and that when we think of &#8220;milk&#8221; the default is cow&#8217;s milk)? and isn&#8217;t it strange that though it&#8217;s pretty straightforward information, even the nutritional facts are relatively obscure to most people?</p>
<blockquote><p>this is a LIE. cows (and women) will continue to give milk so long as they are milked (in general).</p></blockquote>
<p>nope &#8211; not at the level of &#8220;giving milk&#8221; (continuous over many years) that we are talking about in the context of dairy production. please look up information on dairy practices (go ahead and check out the info coming directly from the dairy industry &#8212; see what they do with the so-called &#8220;rape racks&#8221; for instance).</p>
<p>unfortunately, peta&#8217;s campaign does nothing to dispel myths &#8211; that&#8217;s their problem in a nutshell: supposedly they try to &#8220;shake things up&#8221; and make people think about animal cruelty, but what they actually accomplish with their &#8220;the ends justify the means&#8221; approach is to make the public cling to their misconceptions all the more (including, as we&#8217;ve seen so many times, the sexist attitudes of those who don&#8217;t mind being sexist and the speciesist attitudes of feminists who don&#8217;t think an issue is feminist/worthy of their attention unless it involves a woman being denied a job promotion). </p>
<p>and the other thing peta accomplishes with campaigns like this, unfortunately, is to give the whole animal welfare/rights movement a bad name&#8230; though it must be said, also, that it&#8217;s disturbing how ready the majority of people are to distrust and dismiss those concerned about animal cruelty, probably so that they won&#8217;t be forced to think about it (as any vegetarian knows by just existing in a meat-eating culture, you don&#8217;t even have to do or say anything &#8211; you&#8217;ll be considered a joke and/or a threat anyway). peta is making things worse (and in the process sadly ruining even their own positive contributions to reducing cruelty), but at the same time people should be honest and take responsibility for not being willing to hear the animal rights message <i>anyway</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: denelian</title>
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		<dc:creator>denelian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the letter PETA sent, they said something along the lines of &quot;this is cruel because the cow farmers have to re-impregnate cows every year! forced pregnancy!!!&quot;

this is a LIE. cows (and women) will continue to give milk so long as they are milked (in general).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the letter PETA sent, they said something along the lines of &#8220;this is cruel because the cow farmers have to re-impregnate cows every year! forced pregnancy!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>this is a LIE. cows (and women) will continue to give milk so long as they are milked (in general).</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205221</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETA is FAKE.  They dont seem to know that a cow can give 3 times the milk that it needs to feed her calf.  They are bringing laws to close down Every American farmer.  The Humane Groups are backed by the Socialist Party.  They are taking your rights away from you.  Most farmers also crop farm, it&#039;s going to be a cold day in HELL when farmers refuse to sell grain to anyone who closed down there animal breeding operations, but it will happen... Wheres your right to decide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETA is FAKE.  They dont seem to know that a cow can give 3 times the milk that it needs to feed her calf.  They are bringing laws to close down Every American farmer.  The Humane Groups are backed by the Socialist Party.  They are taking your rights away from you.  Most farmers also crop farm, it&#8217;s going to be a cold day in HELL when farmers refuse to sell grain to anyone who closed down there animal breeding operations, but it will happen&#8230; Wheres your right to decide?</p>
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		<title>By: hypatia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205195</link>
		<dc:creator>hypatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And breast milk is richer and sweeter than cow milk.&quot;

Uh... other way around.  Breast milk is quite a bit lower in fat content than many other mammals because our children develop much slower.

&quot;And the feminist sphere is in desperate need of better coverage of the animal rights movement and how AR and feminism are related. I just feel so frustrated because the only times I’ve seen mention of AR or veganism is when PETA launches another offensive campaign.&quot;

Sorry but unless you were denied a job or a promotion because you&#039;re a vegan it really doesn&#039;t fit.  Feminism is about human rights, not animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And breast milk is richer and sweeter than cow milk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8230; other way around.  Breast milk is quite a bit lower in fat content than many other mammals because our children develop much slower.</p>
<p>&#8220;And the feminist sphere is in desperate need of better coverage of the animal rights movement and how AR and feminism are related. I just feel so frustrated because the only times I’ve seen mention of AR or veganism is when PETA launches another offensive campaign.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry but unless you were denied a job or a promotion because you&#8217;re a vegan it really doesn&#8217;t fit.  Feminism is about human rights, not animal.</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205145</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a vegan, feminist, and animal rights activist, I have a lot of problems with PETA - their sexist, racist, fat-phobic, &amp; transphobic advertising and their support of KFC for simply offering a veg*n sandwich.  However, I wish there was more positive coverage of veganism and the animal rights movement within the feminist sphere.  I&#039;m a feminist because I don&#039;t believe in or support exploitation; which is also why I&#039;m a vegan and animal rights activist.

In response to the previous comments, killing animals merely for our palate is cruel.  Testing medications and procedures on non-human animals is as well; they have no voices, they can&#039;t give consent, there are alternatives, and is often inaccurate due to the biological differences between non-human animals and humans.  Basically, I don&#039;t believe in exploiting animals (human or non-human alike) for the &quot;greater good,&quot; our pleasure (entertainment, food, clothing, etc.) or our vanity.  And the feminist sphere is in desperate need of better coverage of the animal rights movement and how AR and feminism are related.  I just feel so frustrated because the only times I&#039;ve seen mention of AR or veganism is when PETA launches another offensive campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a vegan, feminist, and animal rights activist, I have a lot of problems with PETA &#8211; their sexist, racist, fat-phobic, &amp; transphobic advertising and their support of KFC for simply offering a veg*n sandwich.  However, I wish there was more positive coverage of veganism and the animal rights movement within the feminist sphere.  I&#8217;m a feminist because I don&#8217;t believe in or support exploitation; which is also why I&#8217;m a vegan and animal rights activist.</p>
<p>In response to the previous comments, killing animals merely for our palate is cruel.  Testing medications and procedures on non-human animals is as well; they have no voices, they can&#8217;t give consent, there are alternatives, and is often inaccurate due to the biological differences between non-human animals and humans.  Basically, I don&#8217;t believe in exploiting animals (human or non-human alike) for the &#8220;greater good,&#8221; our pleasure (entertainment, food, clothing, etc.) or our vanity.  And the feminist sphere is in desperate need of better coverage of the animal rights movement and how AR and feminism are related.  I just feel so frustrated because the only times I&#8217;ve seen mention of AR or veganism is when PETA launches another offensive campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: ThickRedGlasses</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205107</link>
		<dc:creator>ThickRedGlasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that you cite Elaine Vigneault. She&#039;d accuse you of being anti-animal if she read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that you cite Elaine Vigneault. She&#8217;d accuse you of being anti-animal if she read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, Thank you for writing this analysis. Though I don&#039;t agree 100% with you (as if either of us would agree 100% with anyone), I respect your opinion and I thank you heartily for the in-depth, thoughtful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, Thank you for writing this analysis. Though I don&#8217;t agree 100% with you (as if either of us would agree 100% with anyone), I respect your opinion and I thank you heartily for the in-depth, thoughtful post.</p>
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		<title>By: ThickRedGlasses</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/29/peta-does-it-again/#comment-205097</link>
		<dc:creator>ThickRedGlasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ironic that you cited Elaine Vigneault. She doesn&#039;t seem to be too concerned about PETA&#039;s sexist campaigns and would accuse you of being anti-animal if she read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that you cited Elaine Vigneault. She doesn&#8217;t seem to be too concerned about PETA&#8217;s sexist campaigns and would accuse you of being anti-animal if she read this.</p>
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