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  1. matttbastard
    matttbastard October 4, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    …I’d comfortably venture to say that if this happened in the nursery of a Midwestern Episcopal church during Easter, the story would occupy a large corner of all national news coverage for weeks.

    Or a synagogue during Rosh Hashanah.

  2. Dan in Denver
    Dan in Denver October 4, 2008 at 1:40 pm |

    It’s fucked up that the event happened, but I’m not sure what the police can do, other than look for more evidence. The girl (apparently) couldn’t describe the men, there wasn’t any physical evidence left behind, and the hazmat people couldn’t find any chemicals. I don’t think the people in the mosque are just making this up, but what do you want the cops to do? Start beating up white racists at random? That worked for Kojak – the first guy you beat up tells you the next person in the chain that leads to the Ultimate Villain – but that was a TV show.

    In real life, just about everyone belongs to a group that, if there’s an attack with no explanation, it COULD be a hate crime. This is an attack with no explanation, and so it COULD be a hate crime, or it could be some teenagers being morons, or it could be a rival mosque being assholes, or it could be someone who had a grudge against that girl in particular, or or or…

    I hope they find whoever did it and throw the book at ‘em, however, whatever the reason for the attack was. Spraying chemicals on little kids is not cool.

  3. little light
    little light October 4, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    I should clarify–that DVD “Obsession” wasn’t just distributed in the Midwest; it was inserted in newspapers nationwide, and backed by some prominent national organizations.
    It showed up here in Portland. I wrecked every copy I could find, not that it really helps.

  4. ElleDee
    ElleDee October 4, 2008 at 2:32 pm |

    We got “Obsession” here in Raleigh, NC too. My mom canceled the paper over it, though it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  5. Bruce/Crablaw
    Bruce/Crablaw October 4, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    I would be grateful for a cite to the hate-crime law in effect in Ohio in this case. The statute may be written poorly, i.e. so as to require some verbal expression of hate as opposed to the implied statement of the horrible act itself. Accordingly, the police may be coping with a crap statute written in Columbus.

  6. Lauren
    Lauren October 4, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    I thought the same thing, Bruce, but then in the newspaper article linked, it is insinuated that the police were dragging their feet over the weekend, and moreover, that they were trying to determine whether a crime occurred at all, as though members of the mosque planned to interrupt their own services to stage an attack on a bunch of kids. Cara has more on that aspect at the link I put up with the update.

  7. The Disenchanted Forest
    The Disenchanted Forest October 4, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    Not Hate?…

    Apparently, attacks on nurseries at religious institutions/parochial schools of many different religions and nonsectarian daycare facilities are commonplace….

  8. Jess A.
    Jess A. October 4, 2008 at 4:28 pm |

    Thanks for this post.

    We definitely need more attention brought to this incident, and I’m still alarmed that the local media isn’t really reporting on it. I’m here in Dayton, and trying to stay on top of what’s happening, but that’s difficult because aside from the Dayton Daily News, I’m not really seeing this in the news. I don’t know what the situation is with the PD, but much of what I’ve read in the paper suggests an ongoing, but quiet, investigation. The most recent article mentions the FBI and the Dept. of Homeland Security in the same vein as the Dayton PD, which leads me to assume that the feds are looking into it as well.

    I’ve posted about this on my livejournal, along with some links for contacting local media outlets. I plan to write some letters this weekend, in the hopes of spurring more reportage.

  9. Jess A.
    Jess A. October 4, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    Oops. Sorry to have to leave 2 comments, but you can find some information on Ohio state hate crime statutes here.

  10. Cara
    Cara October 4, 2008 at 5:03 pm |

    Lauren — great minds clearly think alike, because we put up our two posts within a half hour of each other. I was thinking “hmm, maybe I should put this up at Feministe too,” hopped over and saw “oh look, Lauren already did it!” It’s a Feministe psychic connection or something.

    In any case, I’m definitely glad that people are writing about this, and to an extent that the two of us happened to get to it at right about the same time!

  11. Bagelsan
    Bagelsan October 4, 2008 at 9:19 pm |

    “…it could be some teenagers being morons…”

    Yeah, um. Even if it’s teenagers doing it, it’s STILL A HATE CRIME.

  12. Lisa Harney
    Lisa Harney October 5, 2008 at 1:43 am |

    Cara, I tried to e-mail you about this the day after it happened. :( Don’t know if you received it, though.

  13. erica aisha
    erica aisha October 5, 2008 at 2:05 am |

    This certainly is under-covered in the news.

    If it’s not a hate crime.. what would it be? Someone accidentally gased Muslim kids. “I meant to dispose of it properly with bio/hazmat… but I was throwing out my big gulp on the way home and grabbed the wrong cup holder. Hey sh*t happens.”

    Thanks for posting this… after a buddy of mine told me about this (I have been a bit worried since Portland’s CD distribution) and we were waiting to hear of the fallout. Other than a larger number of scared people staring at me on the MAX (our lightrail system) and a guy who ran off the MAX after he saw me reading a chemistry book (hey I’m refreshing for my Microbiology class)… It’s been mostly to same… I haven’t even been threatened yet this week.

    Sigh. Thanks little light… every little bit counts ;)

  14. Lisa Harney
    Lisa Harney October 5, 2008 at 2:15 am |

    Jess A.,

    Thank you for gathering the information you have so far.

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  16. Marle
    Marle October 5, 2008 at 7:15 am |

    Sorry, messed up the quotes. this is what I meant to post:

    I know hypotheticals are presumptive and annoying, but I’d comfortably venture to say that if this happened in the nursery of a Midwestern Episcopal church during Easter, the story would occupy a large corner of all national news coverage for weeks.

    You know, a couple of months ago, someone went into a Unitarian church while the children were performing a play and started shooting people. It was in the news for about a day and I don’t believe it was mentioned here at all.

    Just saying.

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  18. Lauren
    Lauren October 5, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    It was in the news for about a day and I don’t believe it was mentioned here at all.

    Just saying.

    Thing is, Feministe is not the mainstream media — it’s a blog run by a few folks that have day jobs in addition to blogging. It’s a hobby. Now if you’d like to pay us for coverage of all religious news and happenings in the world, we’ll talk. Otherwise, holding Feministe responsible for the national mainstream media’s uneven reporting on religiously-based antagonism (or terrorism, even) is dumb.

  19. ol cranky
    ol cranky October 5, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    Marie:

    It was in the news for about a day and I don’t believe it was mentioned here at all.

    Just saying.

    Unlike the attack at the Mosque, the attack at the church was not only all over the MSM it was all over the blogs – and it was acknowledged as a hate crime (except by the freepers who thought it was crazy that church members didn’t come prepared with their own concealed weapons)

    The additional shock of the attack on the Mosque in comparison to the attack of the Unitarian Church is not only the lack of coverage but also the fact that there has been a concerted effort by the religious right and Faux Fox News to incite people to “act” against all Muslims and, yet, the main stream still seems less than supportive that someone (anyone) would try to harm children solely because they are Muslim.

  20. Marle
    Marle October 5, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    Thing is, Feministe is not the mainstream media — it’s a blog run by a few folks that have day jobs in addition to blogging. It’s a hobby. Now if you’d like to pay us for coverage of all religious news and happenings in the world, we’ll talk. Otherwise, holding Feministe responsible for the national mainstream media’s uneven reporting on religiously-based antagonism (or terrorism, even) is dumb.

    I was questioning your hypothetical, not your reporting of all religious news. It hasn’t been that long since there was an attack on a church, so it’s a little insensitive to make up a hypothetical about it and then assume that the media would care about it for weeks when they didn’t. Yeah, the mainstream media did actually report on it, which is more than we can say here, but that’s not the point.

    As you said, hypotheticals are presumptive and annoying. Your post would have been better without it.

  21. ol cranky
    ol cranky October 5, 2008 at 2:08 pm |

    But, Marie, the MSM (local, national & international) and blogs did cover the attacks at the unitarian church and they did so for more than a day. The coverage of the mosque attack was minimal and rather stealth finally noticed through a bit of word of mouth in comments on blogs that finally got this minimal notice days after the fact. In short, Lauren’s hypothetical does ring true.

  22. Marina
    Marina October 5, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    The additional shock of the attack on the Mosque in comparison to the attack of the Unitarian Church is not only the lack of coverage but also the fact that there has been a concerted effort by the religious right and Faux Fox News to incite people to “act” against all Muslims and, yet, the main stream still seems less than supportive that someone (anyone) would try to harm children solely because they are Muslim.

    I’m not positive the attck of the Unitarian Church you’re talking about is the same one, but several people were shot in a church this summer, and the shooter said he did it because they were liberals, and apparently got the idea from listening to Michael Savage. I don’t know if that technically qualifies as a hate crime, as the gassing of the nursery clearly is.

  23. Lisa Harney
    Lisa Harney October 5, 2008 at 6:52 pm |

    I looked into Ohio’s hate crime law, and this should qualify.

  24. denelian
    denelian October 6, 2008 at 12:23 am |

    as an aside about the UU church shooting… many freepers (i might even say MOST freepers) think the UU is almost as bad as a Mosque. they “aren’t Christian” – i was attacked leaving a Unitarian church once because i was at a “gathering of witches!!!”.

    so, just sayin’ about your just sayin’… if it were a fundy BAPTIST church, the MSM would have played it for WEEKS. a “white”, “alternative” church got a whole 36 hours. a “brown” Mosque got nuthin. or almost nuthin anyway.

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