I’ve got to reiterate what Alyssa said about California though. The atmosphere has turned for Prop 8, and I’m really scared it’s going to pass. They’re flooding the waves with commercials saying that if gays get to marry, they’ll tell your 6 year olds about gay marriage in school, that churches will lose their tax status, that you’ll have to explain all of this gayness to your young kids, all this bullshit. The big problem is that it’s working.

I’m trying to think of strategies to get out the message that all this is just crap, and I’ve given to No on 8 a few times now, but I just feel like I don’t know what else to do. I was trying to think like the scaries on the right, and how they do their advertising, maybe demonize the Mormons from Utah who are paying for the ads? (They are, by and large.) Something like, “Maybe in Utah they are willing to take away rights from millions of loving couples just to save the bother of actually talking with their kids, but not in California. We all know that in Utah most people want the church running the government, but in California we want churches and government safe from each other’s influence. And I know in California we understand that there is no logical connection between civil marriages and church tax status. Let’s have California make it’s own decisions, and not let our freedoms be bought by the religious right in Utah.” I don’t know. What do you think? Too dirty?

FashionablyEvil: Yeah, if it’s challenged it’s gonna be struck down if there’s any justice (as in abstract concept, not as in judge) in the world. It’s really blatantly unconstitutional. How it works, though, is that it’s got to be challenged. I want it to be challenged because it is going down.

Anybody want to guess when there will be a U.S. Supreme Court challenge about the full faith and credit issue in the constitution?

I’ve never been able to figure this one out–I’m not a lawyer, but it always seemed to me that DOMA was unconstitutional as written.