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	<title>Comments on: Rape Culture In Unexpected Places: New Pepsi Ad</title>
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		<title>By: blufindr</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-241302</link>
		<dc:creator>blufindr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 09:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; joking, right?

::sigh::

I think I&#039;m back onto Vanilla Coke for a while. :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You <i>are</i> joking, right?</p>
<p>::sigh::</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m back onto Vanilla Coke for a while. :\</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Sexual Assault Awareness Month &#171; Women In Pants</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-238767</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Sexual Assault Awareness Month &#171; Women In Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] primary fear is triggering rape survivors with reminders, there&#8217;s always Seth Rogan movies, ads for Pepsi, bumper stickers, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] primary fear is triggering rape survivors with reminders, there&#8217;s always Seth Rogan movies, ads for Pepsi, bumper stickers, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C.A.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-212920</link>
		<dc:creator>C.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely an objectifying ad. And the idea of somebody doing what that kid is headed to do is repulsive. 

It&#039;s confusing, because right now I&#039;m trying to define my views on rape culture without getting into the the back-and-forth muck of college group battles (best available source on r.c. issues that I could find was a fairly comprehensive 1993 book, but still...) and I&#039;m trying to get clear definition so that I don&#039;t get sucked into extremism, better hold my own in discussions, etc. I mean, wow, weirdly enough, the rape culture vs. censorship issue is much more universal than I knew.

But I get the sense that this ad just doesn&#039;t cross that line, that is, the endorsement of sexual assault. The objectification is thick, but the effectiveness, at least as I can see, arises from how greatly removed from reason and decency such a trade would be. In this case, if the crime were replaced with something of *similar* magnitude, say... Say there&#039;s a hitman wielding a steel string; in the shadows behind him,  a man tied to a chair gazes in fear (with the obvious implication of impending murder); and a third party presents his payment--a suitcase of Pepsi. 

I don&#039;t think that Pepsi would be endorsing murder, in that case--though the implication is that it&#039;s inevitable. They&#039;re definitely shooting for memorable shock value, taking the outrageous and the unthinkable somewhere new, but I don&#039;t think people look at this and think &quot;huh, fair trade.&quot; 

...then again, some of the people who have replied here make me doubt that. ack,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely an objectifying ad. And the idea of somebody doing what that kid is headed to do is repulsive. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s confusing, because right now I&#8217;m trying to define my views on rape culture without getting into the the back-and-forth muck of college group battles (best available source on r.c. issues that I could find was a fairly comprehensive 1993 book, but still&#8230;) and I&#8217;m trying to get clear definition so that I don&#8217;t get sucked into extremism, better hold my own in discussions, etc. I mean, wow, weirdly enough, the rape culture vs. censorship issue is much more universal than I knew.</p>
<p>But I get the sense that this ad just doesn&#8217;t cross that line, that is, the endorsement of sexual assault. The objectification is thick, but the effectiveness, at least as I can see, arises from how greatly removed from reason and decency such a trade would be. In this case, if the crime were replaced with something of *similar* magnitude, say&#8230; Say there&#8217;s a hitman wielding a steel string; in the shadows behind him,  a man tied to a chair gazes in fear (with the obvious implication of impending murder); and a third party presents his payment&#8211;a suitcase of Pepsi. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Pepsi would be endorsing murder, in that case&#8211;though the implication is that it&#8217;s inevitable. They&#8217;re definitely shooting for memorable shock value, taking the outrageous and the unthinkable somewhere new, but I don&#8217;t think people look at this and think &#8220;huh, fair trade.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230;then again, some of the people who have replied here make me doubt that. ack,</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-210725</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara i can&#039;t get in your face. I don&#039;t even know you. 
I am aware that sexual assault is sexual assault. We are not talking about sexual assault. The ad is not explicitly implying sexual assault, that is simply an interpretation. You can not assume that the makers of this ad created it with the idea that people were going to stretch it beyond its implications. It&#039;s this kind of over-reaching, over reaction that snowballs into censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara i can&#8217;t get in your face. I don&#8217;t even know you.<br />
I am aware that sexual assault is sexual assault. We are not talking about sexual assault. The ad is not explicitly implying sexual assault, that is simply an interpretation. You can not assume that the makers of this ad created it with the idea that people were going to stretch it beyond its implications. It&#8217;s this kind of over-reaching, over reaction that snowballs into censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Le</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-210659</link>
		<dc:creator>Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has someone submitted this img to &lt;a href=&quot;http://contexts.org/socimages/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sociological Images&lt;/a&gt; already? If not, you should!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has someone submitted this img to <a href="http://contexts.org/socimages/" rel="nofollow">Sociological Images</a> already? If not, you should!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;what if this was reversed, say an elderly lady trading a pepsi in order to save some attractive male. would the same principle apply? should i be offended? if the answer is no, then neither should you.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.  I would be offended.  Sexual assault is sexual assault.  The fact that the vast majority of assaults are committed against women by men doesn&#039;t trivialize others or make them amusing.  And you should be offended, too.

And don&#039;t get in my face about the fact idea that a child would sexually assault one.  Talk to whomever made the ad.  Also, the kid is clearly pubescent.  And pubescent underage males can and do assault people.  Take it from someone who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>what if this was reversed, say an elderly lady trading a pepsi in order to save some attractive male. would the same principle apply? should i be offended? if the answer is no, then neither should you.</i></p>
<p>Yes.  I would be offended.  Sexual assault is sexual assault.  The fact that the vast majority of assaults are committed against women by men doesn&#8217;t trivialize others or make them amusing.  And you should be offended, too.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get in my face about the fact idea that a child would sexually assault one.  Talk to whomever made the ad.  Also, the kid is clearly pubescent.  And pubescent underage males can and do assault people.  Take it from someone who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-210636</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although i understand why someone could take offense to this ad, i find it sad that &quot;feminists&quot; actually do. 

first off, the idea that the CHILD would sexually assault someone is absurd. And if the assumption is made because the child is a male then thats a contradiction in feminist beliefs. Feminism (if i am wrong  about this then i apologize.) is based around the idea that stereotypes and generalizations are what create inequality. Making the generalization that since the child is male he would sexually assault her is shooting yourselves in the foot don&#039;t you think?

what if this was reversed, say an elderly lady trading a pepsi in order to save some attractive male. would the same principle apply? should i be offended? if the answer is no, then neither should you.

please feel free to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although i understand why someone could take offense to this ad, i find it sad that &#8220;feminists&#8221; actually do. </p>
<p>first off, the idea that the CHILD would sexually assault someone is absurd. And if the assumption is made because the child is a male then thats a contradiction in feminist beliefs. Feminism (if i am wrong  about this then i apologize.) is based around the idea that stereotypes and generalizations are what create inequality. Making the generalization that since the child is male he would sexually assault her is shooting yourselves in the foot don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>what if this was reversed, say an elderly lady trading a pepsi in order to save some attractive male. would the same principle apply? should i be offended? if the answer is no, then neither should you.</p>
<p>please feel free to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Paqui</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-210622</link>
		<dc:creator>Paqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did we expect anything less disgusting from these corporate a-holes? I don&#039;t. I know what they&#039;re about.

The imagery of it is just sickening. Nothing more than subliminal advertising, while not very subtle, it still is what it is. Bah. Things like this do not belong in advertising, even if it is online. Molestation, rape, abuse, etc..is NOT OK, and for an ad to normalize such behavior is NOT OK either. Especially while trying to add the &quot;cute&quot; element to the whole thing, that&#039;s the worst part of it. Now, not only is sexual violation ok, but also &quot;cute&quot;. Great, fan-effing-tastic. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I laugh at a lot of black humor. However, there&#039;s a difference AND there&#039;s a time and a place. I often find many internet comic strips containing not so politically correct material, knee-slappingly hilarious. 

but this..

This is not black comedy, this is pure horse crap. It is not &quot;deliciously offensive&quot;, nor is it playing with taboos or providing a dark social satire of sorts, which is what black humor is set out to be. So no, not deliciously offensive at all. It&#039;s DISGUSTINGLY offensive and turns my stomach.

However, I would not expect anything less from a corporation. They&#039;re not there to help people or send a positive message, they&#039;re there to make money and control as much of society as possible.

What else is there to say except..disgusting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did we expect anything less disgusting from these corporate a-holes? I don&#8217;t. I know what they&#8217;re about.</p>
<p>The imagery of it is just sickening. Nothing more than subliminal advertising, while not very subtle, it still is what it is. Bah. Things like this do not belong in advertising, even if it is online. Molestation, rape, abuse, etc..is NOT OK, and for an ad to normalize such behavior is NOT OK either. Especially while trying to add the &#8220;cute&#8221; element to the whole thing, that&#8217;s the worst part of it. Now, not only is sexual violation ok, but also &#8220;cute&#8221;. Great, fan-effing-tastic. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I laugh at a lot of black humor. However, there&#8217;s a difference AND there&#8217;s a time and a place. I often find many internet comic strips containing not so politically correct material, knee-slappingly hilarious. </p>
<p>but this..</p>
<p>This is not black comedy, this is pure horse crap. It is not &#8220;deliciously offensive&#8221;, nor is it playing with taboos or providing a dark social satire of sorts, which is what black humor is set out to be. So no, not deliciously offensive at all. It&#8217;s DISGUSTINGLY offensive and turns my stomach.</p>
<p>However, I would not expect anything less from a corporation. They&#8217;re not there to help people or send a positive message, they&#8217;re there to make money and control as much of society as possible.</p>
<p>What else is there to say except..disgusting?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-210621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i wasn&#039;t a coke man before I certainly would be now. This ad is disgusting and an affront to all decent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i wasn&#8217;t a coke man before I certainly would be now. This ad is disgusting and an affront to all decent people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mea</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/10/17/rape-culture-in-unexpected-places-new-pepsi-ad/#comment-208113</link>
		<dc:creator>Mea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: The carbon copy replies from different Pepsi reps...

I can certainly believe that this ad may have &quot;slipped out&quot; without official consent but what I can&#039;t believe is that nowhere in those automated replies does it state that the Pepsi company is angry that this ad has &quot;slipped out&quot;... or upset with the nasty message it may be delivering. 
Yes, they say that they are sorry that the ad has upset the reader... but, if I had any connections to the Pepsi empire... I&#039;d also be stating that the ad angers me as well.

Their replies make ME feel like *they* are &quot;sorry that this has upset you&quot; solely because they may lose customers or gain bad publicity... not because they feel bad for the people it is upsetting... or it&#039;s vulgarity.
JMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: The carbon copy replies from different Pepsi reps&#8230;</p>
<p>I can certainly believe that this ad may have &#8220;slipped out&#8221; without official consent but what I can&#8217;t believe is that nowhere in those automated replies does it state that the Pepsi company is angry that this ad has &#8220;slipped out&#8221;&#8230; or upset with the nasty message it may be delivering.<br />
Yes, they say that they are sorry that the ad has upset the reader&#8230; but, if I had any connections to the Pepsi empire&#8230; I&#8217;d also be stating that the ad angers me as well.</p>
<p>Their replies make ME feel like *they* are &#8220;sorry that this has upset you&#8221; solely because they may lose customers or gain bad publicity&#8230; not because they feel bad for the people it is upsetting&#8230; or it&#8217;s vulgarity.<br />
JMHO</p>
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