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    Evan 11.4.2008 at 5:26 am |

    Thank you. I am, for pragmatic reasons, currently a Democrat. I think that our political system is pretty royally screwed up: the USA has the largest military the world has ever seen as well as the largest “intelligence” apparatus. We have been more or less constantly expanding them since 1948, and we don’t have them so that we let them lie idle. One can definitely make the argument that the government lacks the capability to make good decisions on behalf of its citizens, and withdrawing public support by greatly decreasing voter turnout will destroy the illusion that it acts in the people’s interest.

    BUT, in my opinion, the only thing worse than the perpetuation of the status quo is putting a crazy old man in charge. I voted for Kerry, and I have already voted for Obama (yay vote-by-mail! yay Oregon!). This fact, however, could never make me lose respect for a nonvoter. Conscientious nonvoters can truly be said to have the courage of their convictions, and I wish them the best in convincing others to follow in their footsteps. Were I to believe that this were a less consequential election, I would be right there with them.

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    Clay Shentrup 11.4.2008 at 5:27 am |

    Instant Runoff Voting accomplishes very little. Score voting is better and simpler.

    http://scorevoting.net/CFERlet.html

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    lilacsigil 11.4.2008 at 7:01 am |

    We have preferential voting for state and federal lower-house candidates here in Australia, and while it does keep a certain level of federal funding going to small parties, it almost always elects one of the two main parties. People vote for their small-party or independent candidate, then put their least bad major party before the other party, and that’s where the vote usually ends up. It’s good in some ways – you never throw away your vote – but bad in others – it still goes down to major parties, a lot more donkey votes, and parties can direct your preferences in some kinds of voting.

    Proportional representation WITH preferential voting? We have that for our upper houses. Now that rocks!

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    Wanda 11.4.2008 at 7:35 am |

    I figured you wouldn’t post my response. “Feministe”… hardly. VOTED GREEN ANYWAY! :-P Sellout.

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    Gwen 11.4.2008 at 10:08 am |

    I live in the UK, where I can either vote for Labour, which still has a couple of vaguely left-wing economic policies, but are horrible xenophobes that want to suspend civil liberties or the Liberal Democrats, who are very pro – civil rights and pro-immigrant, but against the minimum wage. (There’s NO WAY I’m voting Tory).

    So I might spoil my ballot at the next election. Because the idea of not voting really gnaws at me, but I don’t know if I can support either of the two options available to me in good conscience.

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    beka 11.4.2008 at 12:07 pm |

    Although I’m waaaaay too young to vote (two months till I’m fifteen!) and although I’m from a country where voting is both compulsory and kind of a foregone conclusion (one-party state!), I’ve really been following the US elections with interest, partly because I worry for the effect the next presidency will have on global stability.

    A friend of mine is just packing to go off on a two-week family vacation, and we were having a last-minute discussion on politics today. “Update me on the results as they come in,” she told me sternly (something my mum wants me to do even as she’s at work tomorrow), before adding for one last confirmation, “You do support Obama, don’t you?” And I felt rather guilty because in the whole Obamania pretty much everyone I know has been going through, the McKinney ticket has totally been ignored; I don’t believe there was even a mention locally, and one journalist even erroneously referred to Sarah Palin as the first female VP candidate.

    So on the eve of the election results, while recognising that it’s Obama who has a viable shot at changing the American landscape, I agree with Latoya Peterson that the Green Party has definitely been neglected in media coverage, and that’s a real shame.

    And while spoiling the ballot will be an option in the future elections I participate in, I have mixed feelings toward nonvoting. Jack writes, “not voting is an intentional, thoughtful, deliberate act on the part of people who think that it is more harmful to validate an intrinsically corrupt system by voting than to possibly make a win easier for the greater of two evils by not voting”; on the one hand I envy the ability to refrain from voting, and on the other I think compulsory voting may still be a good thing…

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    little apples 11.4.2008 at 12:44 pm |

    Voting for a third candadate is basically voting for McCain. For shame. Ugh. Voting 3rd party does not make sense in this election. If you want McCain to lose, VOTE FOR OBAMA, otherwise, you ARE voting for McCain. Jesus, it’s not that hard of a concept.

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    Chelsea 11.4.2008 at 2:30 pm |

    I personally voted for McKinney/Clemente to protest the winner-take-all system that keeps the United States trapped with only two viable alternatives when there are many more than two platforms on which to run.

    Plus, I live in Texas, so it’s going McCain anyway.

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    little apples 11.4.2008 at 4:18 pm |

    So … you voted for McCain, Chelsea. Good going.

    Ugh.

    If Obama loses, one reason will be you morons voting third party.

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    Cara 11.4.2008 at 4:31 pm |

    Little Apples, please reference our comment policy before commenting further. You are free to disagree and argue, but you are not free to insult other community members with words like “moron,” and if you continue to do so you will not be allowed to comment here any longer.

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    Radfem 11.4.2008 at 4:46 pm |

    I’m sorry but this B.S. gets tiresome. Neither the Democrats, the Republicans, the Greens or anyone is entitled to my vote no matter how much they might think or believe they own it or me. When I vote for a candidate, I vote for that candidate for well-thought out reasons and often in a difficult process just like those who chastise me for not voting for their candidate. If you can’t respect that, then you have not earned my respect.

    If Obama loses, it’ll either be a fault in his campaigning, the fact that American Whites can’t vote for a Black man or election corruption (as it was in 2000).

    Honestly, if these self-righteous Democrats spent as much time pointing fingers at the people who corrupted the election process disenfranchising millions of voters and violating the Voting Act as they did wagging at fingers at third party candidates, then maybe people wouldn’t be scared in many places that there will be corruption this year. And people are very worried about this. But when it’s happened before, where were all these Democrats in power that could have done something (even if not successfully changing the race, at least helping people feel safer in the process).

    And Chelsea, I respect you for exercising your right to vote as you choose. It’s your vote and it means what you choose it to mean. Yes, it does seem like the two-party is not representative of everyone in this politically diverse country. We need more options.

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    Angeline 11.4.2008 at 11:17 pm |

    I voted McKinney/Clemente as well, Chelsea. While I hope that Obama wins, since he’s better than McCain, he definitely does not represent my values anywhere near as well as McKinney does. And no matter what anyone says, I am damn proud to say that I voted for the person that I think is best for the job and who best represents me. And almost as proud to put at least a nick in the two-party system.

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    ian 11.4.2008 at 11:47 pm |

    Although I consider myself an Independent, I’ve always voted for either a Republican or a Democrat, out of practicality. But I’ve grown quite disillusioned by our One Party/Two Factions system. This time I decided to vote for what I truly believe best match my values and conviction. I voted Green. It was a truly liberating feeling. Folks who think voting third party is a waste just don’t get it. The only wasted vote is one that’s not cast.

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    Latoya Peterson 11.5.2008 at 1:29 am |

    @Ian –

    The only wasted vote is one that’s not cast.

    Thank you. My post was not dedicated to the “fill in the blank reason that I am politically engaged but not voting crowd.” It’s to the people who want to comment on politics, but never see fit to ever make that first step to engage at any level. I can’t wait to check the voter turnout numbers for tomorrow.

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    Terry Bouricius 11.5.2008 at 10:42 am |

    Instant runoff voting (IRV) is a very important pro-democracy reform, that can avoid the “spoiler” problem, and unlike some pet voting method reforms that have tiny Internet groups of supporters, IRV has a chance to sweep the country and is already actually being successfully adopted in the U.S. — starting with San Francisco’s historic 2004 IRV election, my own city of Burlington (VT), Minneapolis (MN), and as of yesterday, Memphis (TN), to name a few. Folks can learn more about IRV at http://www.fairvote.org

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    elianita55 11.9.2008 at 4:03 pm |

    One of the least discussed side effects of Obama’s landslide victory is the further marginalization of third parties in the United States.
    As someone that lives in Europe, it is hard to not notice that the United States seems isolated among Western democracies in its determination to head to a further entrenchment in a bipolar political landscape.
    Third party candidates are a vital part of the democratic process. Yet the United States’ political system deliberately hinders pluralism by limiting the exposure of third party candidates to media.
    For more: http://www.ilpodesta.org/2008/11/forgetting-face-of-pluralism.html

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