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		<title>By: Ohz noez! Not *another* 2008 roundup&#8230; &#171; bird of paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohz noez! Not *another* 2008 roundup&#8230; &#171; bird of paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212574</link>
		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathryn,  everyone besides you and a very few others believes &quot;transgender&quot; to be the most inclusive term we currently have for anyone who transgresses the gender binary, whether post-op, pre-op, non-op, man, woman or child, and does not consider it derogatory or disrespectful.  We understand that you vehemently object to the use of that term to describe you.  You make that point very clear every time you get a chance, and even when, as in this case, it&#039;s totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.  What you don&#039;t seem to get, however, is that you don&#039;t get to define the debate or decide what terms any of the rest of us are allowed to use.  You&#039;re welcome to state your disagreement, but you don&#039;t get to hijack ever discussion about transgender people and the issues we face to force the rest of us to conform to your party line.

You don&#039;t like it.  We get it!  Now, give it a rest, please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathryn,  everyone besides you and a very few others believes &#8220;transgender&#8221; to be the most inclusive term we currently have for anyone who transgresses the gender binary, whether post-op, pre-op, non-op, man, woman or child, and does not consider it derogatory or disrespectful.  We understand that you vehemently object to the use of that term to describe you.  You make that point very clear every time you get a chance, and even when, as in this case, it&#8217;s totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.  What you don&#8217;t seem to get, however, is that you don&#8217;t get to define the debate or decide what terms any of the rest of us are allowed to use.  You&#8217;re welcome to state your disagreement, but you don&#8217;t get to hijack ever discussion about transgender people and the issues we face to force the rest of us to conform to your party line.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like it.  We get it!  Now, give it a rest, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathryn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212238</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, no it&#039;s not about me at all.......the vast majority of the victims on the TDOR list were heterosexual oriented trans-women.  They were killed by men.....it&#039;s a feminist issue and further, I find myself in open disbelief that when I call for using inclusive terms rather than ones that continue to divide on this issue in particular I am attacked openly.......  Most of the women of transsexual history who most object to the umbrella use of transgender are themselves heterosexual in orientation.  For the record, I&#039;m bi myself.  Again, most of the victims were also het.

This is supposedly a feminist blog, my primary identification is as a feminist woman, a second wave rather than third wave one.  Feminism is a BIG tent.

When would be a better time to address the continued warfare within trans identities and the need to actually do something every other damn day of the year than now?  Those of you who told me to shut up, what have you done to help those at risk?.....besides read off their names once a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, no it&#8217;s not about me at all&#8230;&#8230;.the vast majority of the victims on the TDOR list were heterosexual oriented trans-women.  They were killed by men&#8230;..it&#8217;s a feminist issue and further, I find myself in open disbelief that when I call for using inclusive terms rather than ones that continue to divide on this issue in particular I am attacked openly&#8230;&#8230;.  Most of the women of transsexual history who most object to the umbrella use of transgender are themselves heterosexual in orientation.  For the record, I&#8217;m bi myself.  Again, most of the victims were also het.</p>
<p>This is supposedly a feminist blog, my primary identification is as a feminist woman, a second wave rather than third wave one.  Feminism is a BIG tent.</p>
<p>When would be a better time to address the continued warfare within trans identities and the need to actually do something every other damn day of the year than now?  Those of you who told me to shut up, what have you done to help those at risk?&#8230;..besides read off their names once a year.</p>
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		<title>By: queen emily</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212076</link>
		<dc:creator>queen emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, LL, seriously.  Not the time, not the place.  FFS.</description>
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		<title>By: Helen G</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212075</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathryn: Really, this is Not. About. You.

Our Remembrance Day is the one day of the year which allows us, collectively, trans and cis, to focus on and grieve for our trans sisters and brothers whose rights to life have, without exception, been violently denied by those who have appointed themselves as judge, jury and executioner.

And yet that simple act of commemoration, that short period of quiet reflection, seems to be insufficient for you.

Please leave your baggage at the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathryn: Really, this is Not. About. You.</p>
<p>Our Remembrance Day is the one day of the year which allows us, collectively, trans and cis, to focus on and grieve for our trans sisters and brothers whose rights to life have, without exception, been violently denied by those who have appointed themselves as judge, jury and executioner.</p>
<p>And yet that simple act of commemoration, that short period of quiet reflection, seems to be insufficient for you.</p>
<p>Please leave your baggage at the door.</p>
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		<title>By: little light</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212066</link>
		<dc:creator>little light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathryn?
While I myself use the &#039;trans&#039; term in an effort to promote an inclusive umbrella, and while I&#039;m familiar with your particular agenda from other times and places, this?  This is not the goddamn time.
We get it, okay?  You give and you give and you give.  The nasty &quot;transgenders&quot; are out to get you because you&#039;re a real woman and they&#039;re not.  You&#039;re not divisive--it&#039;s everyone else who&#039;s divisive.  You didn&#039;t get too big; the movement got too small.  You just want a chance to not be associated with those &quot;transgenders&quot; who make real women of trans experience, like yourself, look bad, and is that too much to ask?

Did you read the original post?

No, actually, scratch that.  Religiously, I, too, am very concerned with the dead.  Do you think that they are comforted by your choosing to once again do this, here and now?  Do they rest easier because you got yet another chance to talk about how we should all stand together, so long as you don&#039;t have to stand with &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt; people and whoever &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; merit a place is standing behind you?  Because I didn&#039;t see all these enemies of yours, these people out to get unoffending and ever-generous you, saying a word about you here, or about those you consider on &quot;your side&quot;.  We were mourning together, with no rank, no leaders, just as, for a &lt;i&gt;minute&lt;/i&gt;, a community.

Couldn&#039;t you, in this time and place, just for a whole day let that be?  Just come in and just be present without firing off at other people who&#039;re hurting right now, too?  Can we not turn this, too, into a battleground when there&#039;s so much fighting to do already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathryn?<br />
While I myself use the &#8216;trans&#8217; term in an effort to promote an inclusive umbrella, and while I&#8217;m familiar with your particular agenda from other times and places, this?  This is not the goddamn time.<br />
We get it, okay?  You give and you give and you give.  The nasty &#8220;transgenders&#8221; are out to get you because you&#8217;re a real woman and they&#8217;re not.  You&#8217;re not divisive&#8211;it&#8217;s everyone else who&#8217;s divisive.  You didn&#8217;t get too big; the movement got too small.  You just want a chance to not be associated with those &#8220;transgenders&#8221; who make real women of trans experience, like yourself, look bad, and is that too much to ask?</p>
<p>Did you read the original post?</p>
<p>No, actually, scratch that.  Religiously, I, too, am very concerned with the dead.  Do you think that they are comforted by your choosing to once again do this, here and now?  Do they rest easier because you got yet another chance to talk about how we should all stand together, so long as you don&#8217;t have to stand with <i>those</i> people and whoever <i>does</i> merit a place is standing behind you?  Because I didn&#8217;t see all these enemies of yours, these people out to get unoffending and ever-generous you, saying a word about you here, or about those you consider on &#8220;your side&#8221;.  We were mourning together, with no rank, no leaders, just as, for a <i>minute</i>, a community.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t you, in this time and place, just for a whole day let that be?  Just come in and just be present without firing off at other people who&#8217;re hurting right now, too?  Can we not turn this, too, into a battleground when there&#8217;s so much fighting to do already?</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-212065</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Cathryn for the heads-up over the importance of &quot;Trans&quot;, I can see that it&#039;s more inclusive than transgender. I identify as &#039;transgender&#039; and can see that sometimes i have the tendency to think that&#039;s somehow more radical or more true than identifying as a man or a woman... when in fact it&#039;s just DIFFERENT. 
Back on the mainstream issue - I&#039;ve been involved in lots of arguments in anarchist groups about whether to dress up nice for protests, put our best foot forward (ie use middle class people as spokesfolks), spellcheck our leaflets etc etc. I don&#039;t think for a moment that tricking the mainstream into believing that anarchists are all middle class and university educated gets us an inch closer to revolution - even if they are more willing to talk to those of us who are (like me).  What when they realise they&#039;ve been tricked. That some of us are abrasive, emotional, disenfranchised and pissed off - they walk away. If they weren&#039;t prepared to see all of us standing together, fierce, united and itching for change then they&#039;re not prepared to change anything substantial about themselves or this society.  
And who is it that&#039;s scared of angry poor people with dirty clothes who can&#039;t spell anyway - the liberal middle class that&#039;s who. Are they the only people we&#039;re trying to communicate with? 

On the other hand not lying about who we are as anarchists or trans communities (with all our &#039;undesireables&#039;) is not the same as refusing to see the humanity of those who don&#039;t agree with us or have just never heard of us before. The choices in those arguments always seem to be &quot;staunchly who we are and hating everyone else&quot; and &quot;pretending to be palatable and trying to make friends&quot;. What about standing firm on our ideals, ourselves and our solidarity AND trying to be open and generous with our energy, our explanations, our love and commitment to people as people.

It&#039;s a big ask for us who&#039;re getting shat on on constantly, but i reckn it&#039;s the way to build a broad-based absolutely radical movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Cathryn for the heads-up over the importance of &#8220;Trans&#8221;, I can see that it&#8217;s more inclusive than transgender. I identify as &#8216;transgender&#8217; and can see that sometimes i have the tendency to think that&#8217;s somehow more radical or more true than identifying as a man or a woman&#8230; when in fact it&#8217;s just DIFFERENT.<br />
Back on the mainstream issue &#8211; I&#8217;ve been involved in lots of arguments in anarchist groups about whether to dress up nice for protests, put our best foot forward (ie use middle class people as spokesfolks), spellcheck our leaflets etc etc. I don&#8217;t think for a moment that tricking the mainstream into believing that anarchists are all middle class and university educated gets us an inch closer to revolution &#8211; even if they are more willing to talk to those of us who are (like me).  What when they realise they&#8217;ve been tricked. That some of us are abrasive, emotional, disenfranchised and pissed off &#8211; they walk away. If they weren&#8217;t prepared to see all of us standing together, fierce, united and itching for change then they&#8217;re not prepared to change anything substantial about themselves or this society.<br />
And who is it that&#8217;s scared of angry poor people with dirty clothes who can&#8217;t spell anyway &#8211; the liberal middle class that&#8217;s who. Are they the only people we&#8217;re trying to communicate with? </p>
<p>On the other hand not lying about who we are as anarchists or trans communities (with all our &#8216;undesireables&#8217;) is not the same as refusing to see the humanity of those who don&#8217;t agree with us or have just never heard of us before. The choices in those arguments always seem to be &#8220;staunchly who we are and hating everyone else&#8221; and &#8220;pretending to be palatable and trying to make friends&#8221;. What about standing firm on our ideals, ourselves and our solidarity AND trying to be open and generous with our energy, our explanations, our love and commitment to people as people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big ask for us who&#8217;re getting shat on on constantly, but i reckn it&#8217;s the way to build a broad-based absolutely radical movement.</p>
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		<title>By: transgender day of remembrance &#171; don&#8217;t stop get it get it</title>
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		<dc:creator>transgender day of remembrance &#171; don&#8217;t stop get it get it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: unhurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>unhurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I keep wondering, if humans aren’t entitled to human rights, who is?&lt;/i&gt;

THIS. exactly this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I keep wondering, if humans aren’t entitled to human rights, who is?</i></p>
<p>THIS. exactly this.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathryn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/20/full-spectrum/#comment-211857</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who commented using the term &quot;Trans Day of Remembrance&quot;........a sincere and heartfelt thank you.

The term &quot;transgender&quot; has replaced &quot;trans&quot; in most of the TDOR announcements.  This in spite of many on the list having felt, as I do, that the term is an insult, a deliberate denial of the right of self identity as simply woman or man.  I just argued this point on Bilerico with Donna Rose who ended the exchange with an implication I dishonoured the trans dead.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  When Rose was stuffing her face with thousand dollar+ a plate HRC food, I was housing and breaking bread with the very transwomen who make up much of the list.  I was doing this with zero support from the &quot;transgender&quot; community and in fact while they were maintaining a state of warfare with me........over the simple respect of the term trans rather than transgender.

Today is the day afterwards.......how many of those who were moved to tears by a service will now do anything?  Almost none, take it to the bank.

I work with the dead as a major part of my spiritual journey.  I will be doing so with the trans dead myself tonight.....but the names in transgender activism consider me the enemy.

I could add how in 97 I, by myself, walked out of a republican representative&#039;s office office in DC with an offer to write and promote a Congressional letter to the DOJ to state tracking hate crimes against trans people.  That was deliberately sabotaged the next day by Rikki Wilkins at the request of HRC. 
I could tell you how the next year, one other and myself almost changed the Ohio birth certificate ruling by ourselves while under constant attack by transgenders.......I could tell you how, when I was physically disabled on the job I then put everything I had left in the world into starting a trans housing project.......but then I&#039;m the enemy because I ask for the simple respect of identity of those who didn&#039;t &quot;trans&quot; their gender but rather their sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who commented using the term &#8220;Trans Day of Remembrance&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..a sincere and heartfelt thank you.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;transgender&#8221; has replaced &#8220;trans&#8221; in most of the TDOR announcements.  This in spite of many on the list having felt, as I do, that the term is an insult, a deliberate denial of the right of self identity as simply woman or man.  I just argued this point on Bilerico with Donna Rose who ended the exchange with an implication I dishonoured the trans dead.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  When Rose was stuffing her face with thousand dollar+ a plate HRC food, I was housing and breaking bread with the very transwomen who make up much of the list.  I was doing this with zero support from the &#8220;transgender&#8221; community and in fact while they were maintaining a state of warfare with me&#8230;&#8230;..over the simple respect of the term trans rather than transgender.</p>
<p>Today is the day afterwards&#8230;&#8230;.how many of those who were moved to tears by a service will now do anything?  Almost none, take it to the bank.</p>
<p>I work with the dead as a major part of my spiritual journey.  I will be doing so with the trans dead myself tonight&#8230;..but the names in transgender activism consider me the enemy.</p>
<p>I could add how in 97 I, by myself, walked out of a republican representative&#8217;s office office in DC with an offer to write and promote a Congressional letter to the DOJ to state tracking hate crimes against trans people.  That was deliberately sabotaged the next day by Rikki Wilkins at the request of HRC.<br />
I could tell you how the next year, one other and myself almost changed the Ohio birth certificate ruling by ourselves while under constant attack by transgenders&#8230;&#8230;.I could tell you how, when I was physically disabled on the job I then put everything I had left in the world into starting a trans housing project&#8230;&#8230;.but then I&#8217;m the enemy because I ask for the simple respect of identity of those who didn&#8217;t &#8220;trans&#8221; their gender but rather their sex.</p>
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