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		<title>By: bushfire</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-213671</link>
		<dc:creator>bushfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supremacy Claus wrote a hilarious parody of an MRA.</description>
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		<title>By: Suki T</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-213088</link>
		<dc:creator>Suki T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If anything, it goes out of the way to use examples of women harassing men to protect the menz’ fragile egos.&lt;/i&gt;

My company&#039;s e-training portrayed a female customer harrasing a female employee. I thought &quot;Hey, anyone can be a harrasser!&quot; and then laughed at the terrible acting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If anything, it goes out of the way to use examples of women harassing men to protect the menz’ fragile egos.</i></p>
<p>My company&#8217;s e-training portrayed a female customer harrasing a female employee. I thought &#8220;Hey, anyone can be a harrasser!&#8221; and then laughed at the terrible acting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-212942</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to go to these sexual harassment trainings every year (along with universal precautions, which is how and when to put on gloves and wash your hands, and mandatory child and adults with disabilities neglect and abuse reporting) and my co-workers and I love the part of the sexual harassment training where they tell us the reported state statistics for male to female, female to male, male to male and female to female harassment.  Since only 3% of harassment is female to female my coworkers love to make big jokes about my classroom being the best place to work because they have statistically the lowest chance of being harassed since I am a lesbian.  

Overall though we just sit through the sexual harassment training just like the hand washing and the neglect abuse reporting trainings - passing notes, sipping on luke warm coffee and counting the minutes until we are released to go do things that are more productive in our day.  These trainings are a fact of life, you just have to grow up and sit through them.  Saying that they imply you are a harasser is like saying the hand washing one implies I touch feces and don&#039;t wash my hands - ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to go to these sexual harassment trainings every year (along with universal precautions, which is how and when to put on gloves and wash your hands, and mandatory child and adults with disabilities neglect and abuse reporting) and my co-workers and I love the part of the sexual harassment training where they tell us the reported state statistics for male to female, female to male, male to male and female to female harassment.  Since only 3% of harassment is female to female my coworkers love to make big jokes about my classroom being the best place to work because they have statistically the lowest chance of being harassed since I am a lesbian.  </p>
<p>Overall though we just sit through the sexual harassment training just like the hand washing and the neglect abuse reporting trainings &#8211; passing notes, sipping on luke warm coffee and counting the minutes until we are released to go do things that are more productive in our day.  These trainings are a fact of life, you just have to grow up and sit through them.  Saying that they imply you are a harasser is like saying the hand washing one implies I touch feces and don&#8217;t wash my hands &#8211; ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: CYA</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-212420</link>
		<dc:creator>CYA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that prof is an ass but the point of this particular sexual harassment training isn&#039;t primarily about preventing sexual harassment.  It revolves around your obligations as a supervisor and therefore a representative of the university.
From what I remember it is - take any and all complaints seriously, file a report, contact your compliance coordinator.  While the University certainly wants to foster a harassment free environment you do get the feeling that it is primarily concerned with the process and CYA.

FWIW - the three people I have had to deal with are a 60+ gay man and a 45+ straight woman both of whom were way to touchy with male undergrads and a 30+ gay man who called a female coworker a bitch.   While the language sometimes needs to be corrected, most of the male staff in my department who are under 40 know better than to have unwanted physical contact with their coworkers and students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that prof is an ass but the point of this particular sexual harassment training isn&#8217;t primarily about preventing sexual harassment.  It revolves around your obligations as a supervisor and therefore a representative of the university.<br />
From what I remember it is &#8211; take any and all complaints seriously, file a report, contact your compliance coordinator.  While the University certainly wants to foster a harassment free environment you do get the feeling that it is primarily concerned with the process and CYA.</p>
<p>FWIW &#8211; the three people I have had to deal with are a 60+ gay man and a 45+ straight woman both of whom were way to touchy with male undergrads and a 30+ gay man who called a female coworker a bitch.   While the language sometimes needs to be corrected, most of the male staff in my department who are under 40 know better than to have unwanted physical contact with their coworkers and students.</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-212311</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women who file such claims are being played by rent seeking lawyer scam artists. The entire field of sexual harassment employment law is pretextual lawyer plunder of productive entities. Sexual harassment training is thinly veiled threatening of males, and hurts decent, sensitive and caring males. It is sexually discrimination itself. Males subjected to such hate speech should  file repeated formal complaints and should sue the left wing feminist controlled government. To deter. The law and regulations imposing such hate speech are facially discriminatory, imposing offensive discriminatory, threatening mind control de jure. 

It also introduces an atmosphere of fear and distrust. Every female is a potential accuser, and should be shunned to avoid false allegations. The overwhelming number of allegations are unfounded and retaliatory false accusations by vicious, disgruntled, mentally ill victims of feminist false propaganda. 

Since this bogus field of law got invented and forcibly imposed by extreme, unshaven feminists, sexual harassment has markedly increased. In the past, there was a correct remedy for piggish behavior, a smart slap to the face. It applied to the offender, and worked to deter future offenses. It left out the innocent employer from wasteful litigation. If the victim of harassment were to do that, she would be fired, when the pig reported her. he pig would then move on to oppress another victim. 

Today, the employer gets sued, no matter what. The offender is not even named in the lawsuit. The idiotic plaintiff wins, she will never work anywhere again. Then she gets taxed on the entirety of any verdict or settlement, and cannot deduct the fee of the lawyer. That means she gets almost nothing. 

That is about what sexual harassment law is worth, nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women who file such claims are being played by rent seeking lawyer scam artists. The entire field of sexual harassment employment law is pretextual lawyer plunder of productive entities. Sexual harassment training is thinly veiled threatening of males, and hurts decent, sensitive and caring males. It is sexually discrimination itself. Males subjected to such hate speech should  file repeated formal complaints and should sue the left wing feminist controlled government. To deter. The law and regulations imposing such hate speech are facially discriminatory, imposing offensive discriminatory, threatening mind control de jure. </p>
<p>It also introduces an atmosphere of fear and distrust. Every female is a potential accuser, and should be shunned to avoid false allegations. The overwhelming number of allegations are unfounded and retaliatory false accusations by vicious, disgruntled, mentally ill victims of feminist false propaganda. </p>
<p>Since this bogus field of law got invented and forcibly imposed by extreme, unshaven feminists, sexual harassment has markedly increased. In the past, there was a correct remedy for piggish behavior, a smart slap to the face. It applied to the offender, and worked to deter future offenses. It left out the innocent employer from wasteful litigation. If the victim of harassment were to do that, she would be fired, when the pig reported her. he pig would then move on to oppress another victim. </p>
<p>Today, the employer gets sued, no matter what. The offender is not even named in the lawsuit. The idiotic plaintiff wins, she will never work anywhere again. Then she gets taxed on the entirety of any verdict or settlement, and cannot deduct the fee of the lawyer. That means she gets almost nothing. </p>
<p>That is about what sexual harassment law is worth, nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.......maybe he is opposed to brain washing and thought control?  Maybe he doesn&#039;t need a nanny to hold his hand and tell him right from wrong.  

But then I forgot,  the unwashed masses need the enlightened to tell us how to live and how to think.  

No difference in this and any other program used by a totalitarian regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;&#8230;.maybe he is opposed to brain washing and thought control?  Maybe he doesn&#8217;t need a nanny to hold his hand and tell him right from wrong.  </p>
<p>But then I forgot,  the unwashed masses need the enlightened to tell us how to live and how to think.  </p>
<p>No difference in this and any other program used by a totalitarian regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>edit, sorry I forgot to turn on the blockquotes. 

  &lt;blockquote&gt; There is a fundamental difference between fire drills and telling people to stop sexually harrassing women. First of all that sentence smacks of sexism in itself. Men can’t be sexually harrassed? Second of all when a state school compels all personnel to submit to sexual harrassment training so as to tell its personnel to “stop harrassing women” does it presume that the personnnel attending have sexually harrassed women?&lt;blockquote&gt;

    I get the impression that either 1) there’s a lot of people on this thread who have never been to sexual harrassment training, or; 2) the training I’m hearing about from some commenters is vastly different than any of the training I’ve had throughout the corporate world and government service.

    Every training I’ve been to goes to great pains to illuminate the problem of sexual harassment of men. Even though sexual harasment of men is only a tiny fraction of the problem. There certainly have been cases of women managers harassing male employees, or gay male employees being tormented by straight employees. Sexual harassment is not limited to heterosexual interactions. ANY type of harassment that is intended to to exploit someone’s gender or sexual orientation falls under the legal definition of sexual harassment. Although, it mostly happens to women, that’s just a fact. Its a very broad law, I don’t know why some people are feeling so sorry for the “men” who take the training. I was never felt to made like a thug or a creep.

    This professor dude is totally misconstruing what the training is, and he’s taking it VERY personally. Like its all about him. I wonder why that is?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit, sorry I forgot to turn on the blockquotes. </p>
<blockquote><p> There is a fundamental difference between fire drills and telling people to stop sexually harrassing women. First of all that sentence smacks of sexism in itself. Men can’t be sexually harrassed? Second of all when a state school compels all personnel to submit to sexual harrassment training so as to tell its personnel to “stop harrassing women” does it presume that the personnnel attending have sexually harrassed women?<br />
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<p>    I get the impression that either 1) there’s a lot of people on this thread who have never been to sexual harrassment training, or; 2) the training I’m hearing about from some commenters is vastly different than any of the training I’ve had throughout the corporate world and government service.</p>
<p>    Every training I’ve been to goes to great pains to illuminate the problem of sexual harassment of men. Even though sexual harasment of men is only a tiny fraction of the problem. There certainly have been cases of women managers harassing male employees, or gay male employees being tormented by straight employees. Sexual harassment is not limited to heterosexual interactions. ANY type of harassment that is intended to to exploit someone’s gender or sexual orientation falls under the legal definition of sexual harassment. Although, it mostly happens to women, that’s just a fact. Its a very broad law, I don’t know why some people are feeling so sorry for the “men” who take the training. I was never felt to made like a thug or a creep.</p>
<p>    This professor dude is totally misconstruing what the training is, and he’s taking it VERY personally. Like its all about him. I wonder why that is?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-212240</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a fundamental difference between fire drills and telling people to stop sexually harrassing women. First of all that sentence smacks of sexism in itself. Men can’t be sexually harrassed? Second of all when a state school compels all personnel to submit to sexual harrassment training so as to tell its personnel to “stop harrassing women” does it presume that the personnnel attending have sexually harrassed women?


I get the impression that either 1) there&#039;s a lot of people on this thread who have never been to sexual harrassment training, or; 2) the training I&#039;m hearing about from some commenters is vastly different than any of the training I&#039;ve had throughout the corporate world and government service. 


Every training I&#039;ve been to goes to great pains to illuminate the problem of sexual harassment of men.  Even though sexual harasment of men is only a tiny fraction of the problem.  There certainly have been cases of women managers harassing male employees, or gay male employees being tormented by straight employees.   Sexual harassment is not limited to heterosexual interactions.  ANY type of harassment that is intended to to exploit someone&#039;s gender or sexual orientation falls under the legal definition of sexual harassment.  Although, it mostly happens to women, that&#039;s just a fact.    Its a very broad law, I don&#039;t know why some people are feeling so sorry for the &quot;men&quot; who take the training.  I was never felt to made like a thug or a creep. 

This professor dude is totally misconstruing what the training is, and he&#039;s taking it VERY personally.  Like its all about him.   I wonder why that is?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a fundamental difference between fire drills and telling people to stop sexually harrassing women. First of all that sentence smacks of sexism in itself. Men can’t be sexually harrassed? Second of all when a state school compels all personnel to submit to sexual harrassment training so as to tell its personnel to “stop harrassing women” does it presume that the personnnel attending have sexually harrassed women?</p>
<p>I get the impression that either 1) there&#8217;s a lot of people on this thread who have never been to sexual harrassment training, or; 2) the training I&#8217;m hearing about from some commenters is vastly different than any of the training I&#8217;ve had throughout the corporate world and government service. </p>
<p>Every training I&#8217;ve been to goes to great pains to illuminate the problem of sexual harassment of men.  Even though sexual harasment of men is only a tiny fraction of the problem.  There certainly have been cases of women managers harassing male employees, or gay male employees being tormented by straight employees.   Sexual harassment is not limited to heterosexual interactions.  ANY type of harassment that is intended to to exploit someone&#8217;s gender or sexual orientation falls under the legal definition of sexual harassment.  Although, it mostly happens to women, that&#8217;s just a fact.    Its a very broad law, I don&#8217;t know why some people are feeling so sorry for the &#8220;men&#8221; who take the training.  I was never felt to made like a thug or a creep. </p>
<p>This professor dude is totally misconstruing what the training is, and he&#8217;s taking it VERY personally.  Like its all about him.   I wonder why that is?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/11/21/jackass-of-the-day/#comment-212239</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, that fire extinguisher training:  get out,  may save your life.  Basically you want people who are amateurs to leave fast. 

We do the sexual harassment training on hiring which seems to be a good system.  95% of what you hear is known, but the 5% or so that is new makes it worthwhile.  That makes the signal to noise higher than a whole lot of meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, that fire extinguisher training:  get out,  may save your life.  Basically you want people who are amateurs to leave fast. </p>
<p>We do the sexual harassment training on hiring which seems to be a good system.  95% of what you hear is known, but the 5% or so that is new makes it worthwhile.  That makes the signal to noise higher than a whole lot of meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a land surveyor.  My employers required me to take training on Maintenance of Traffic in order to do work in roadways.  Some nonsense about &quot;compliance with state laws,&quot; or something stupid like that.  This is outrageous!  Do they think I don&#039;t know how to set up &lt;i&gt;traffic cones?&lt;/i&gt;  You put the pointy-side pointing up and the wide-side flat on the asphalt; everybody knows that.  Naturally, I angrily refused on grounds of principle, and I stuck to my guns until the bitter end.  

So if you agree with me that this was an utterly unwarranted attack against my dignity and a slur against my intelligence, and I&#039;m sure you all do, please send cash contributions to:

W. Kiernan
[street address redacted]
[city/state/zip redacted]

&#039;cause now I&#039;m out of a job and I got to pay my bills...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a land surveyor.  My employers required me to take training on Maintenance of Traffic in order to do work in roadways.  Some nonsense about &#8220;compliance with state laws,&#8221; or something stupid like that.  This is outrageous!  Do they think I don&#8217;t know how to set up <i>traffic cones?</i>  You put the pointy-side pointing up and the wide-side flat on the asphalt; everybody knows that.  Naturally, I angrily refused on grounds of principle, and I stuck to my guns until the bitter end.  </p>
<p>So if you agree with me that this was an utterly unwarranted attack against my dignity and a slur against my intelligence, and I&#8217;m sure you all do, please send cash contributions to:</p>
<p>W. Kiernan<br />
[street address redacted]<br />
[city/state/zip redacted]</p>
<p>&#8217;cause now I&#8217;m out of a job and I got to pay my bills&#8230;</p>
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