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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-252910</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the article. Gross never said &quot;Gay is the New Black.&quot; That was not and is not his position. The article is incredibly well written and thoughtful. Google &quot;Michael Joseph Gross Gay is the New Black&quot; and you&#039;ll find the article.

And writers have no control over what the magazine puts on their cover. None. No say. Not even in the discussion.

Many of these comments are very supportive of Gross, but many people are still condemning him without doing their homework. You need to read the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the article. Gross never said &#8220;Gay is the New Black.&#8221; That was not and is not his position. The article is incredibly well written and thoughtful. Google &#8220;Michael Joseph Gross Gay is the New Black&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find the article.</p>
<p>And writers have no control over what the magazine puts on their cover. None. No say. Not even in the discussion.</p>
<p>Many of these comments are very supportive of Gross, but many people are still condemning him without doing their homework. You need to read the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Comparing struggles &#171; Blog By Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-222276</link>
		<dc:creator>Comparing struggles &#171; Blog By Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] completely agree that gay is not the new black, and African-Americans did not cause prop 8 to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] completely agree that gay is not the new black, and African-Americans did not cause prop 8 to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell Soup Catches Teh Gay, Yet Somehow Doesn&#8217;t Mind : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-219241</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell Soup Catches Teh Gay, Yet Somehow Doesn&#8217;t Mind : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Broth ran an ad in The Advocate, a popular LG(bt) 1 publication that is in some trouble of its own right now.  Quite naturally, seeing the audience, the advertisement (pdf) featured a lesbian couple [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Broth ran an ad in The Advocate, a popular LG(bt) 1 publication that is in some trouble of its own right now.  Quite naturally, seeing the audience, the advertisement (pdf) featured a lesbian couple [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link Farm and Open Thread Number Umpity-Dumpity</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215908</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link Farm and Open Thread Number Umpity-Dumpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This cover for &#8220;The Advocate&#8221; (&#8221;gay is the new black&#8221;) really is disgusting. Plus, it brings up the &#8220;evil or stupid?&#8221; problem. See Melissa and Portlydyke&#8217;s posts, too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This cover for &#8220;The Advocate&#8221; (&#8221;gay is the new black&#8221;) really is disgusting. Plus, it brings up the &#8220;evil or stupid?&#8221; problem. See Melissa and Portlydyke&#8217;s posts, too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215587</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, is there any way to avoid my comments getting stuck in the mod queue?  It seems like every time I try to comment here since I got my new computer a few months ago, my comment gets stuck in moderation for hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, is there any way to avoid my comments getting stuck in the mod queue?  It seems like every time I try to comment here since I got my new computer a few months ago, my comment gets stuck in moderation for hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215578</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update; I hadn&#039;t realized that the cover so grossly (/rimshot) misrepresented the content of the article.  

&lt;i&gt;When you are running a social justice movement you need the support of people of various races and classes. This is a lesson that the GLBTQI community did not take from out civil rights movement that was probably the most crucial message of all. Whites and blacks marched together. The Jewish community was beyond instrumental. By turning this anger towards POC what they are assuring is that there will be one less group of people that are willing to fight for the cause. When people feel that their human dignity is being denied they are less inclined to fight for the human dignity of another.&lt;/i&gt;

This.  I study and teach the history of the 50s-70s and I think that one reason this is the case is that many students and activists romanticize the more militant aspects of the movement, the pursuit of purity, and the rejection of incrementalism.  While I understand that completely, I tend to think that both sorts of organizing are necessary - the fringe can help push the discussion in the right direction by making the moderates seem reasonable, but you absolutely need the moderates, the people willing to ally with those outside the group, even those with whom you might have some deep moral/philosophical differences.  Otherwise not a damn thing gets done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update; I hadn&#8217;t realized that the cover so grossly (/rimshot) misrepresented the content of the article.  </p>
<p><i>When you are running a social justice movement you need the support of people of various races and classes. This is a lesson that the GLBTQI community did not take from out civil rights movement that was probably the most crucial message of all. Whites and blacks marched together. The Jewish community was beyond instrumental. By turning this anger towards POC what they are assuring is that there will be one less group of people that are willing to fight for the cause. When people feel that their human dignity is being denied they are less inclined to fight for the human dignity of another.</i></p>
<p>This.  I study and teach the history of the 50s-70s and I think that one reason this is the case is that many students and activists romanticize the more militant aspects of the movement, the pursuit of purity, and the rejection of incrementalism.  While I understand that completely, I tend to think that both sorts of organizing are necessary &#8211; the fringe can help push the discussion in the right direction by making the moderates seem reasonable, but you absolutely need the moderates, the people willing to ally with those outside the group, even those with whom you might have some deep moral/philosophical differences.  Otherwise not a damn thing gets done.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215468</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. That cover is pretty bad.

Not only for obvious reasons, but also because of the assumption that there are only 2 civil rights struggles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. That cover is pretty bad.</p>
<p>Not only for obvious reasons, but also because of the assumption that there are only 2 civil rights struggles!</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215302</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the cover misrepresents the content of the article, or at least skews it considerably.  If I were Michael Gross, I&#039;d be furious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the cover misrepresents the content of the article, or at least skews it considerably.  If I were Michael Gross, I&#8217;d be furious.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/12/05/really-the-last/#comment-215272</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that have not seen it here is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.womanist-musings.com/2008/12/black-caucaus-on-gay-rights.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;position of the black caucus on gay rights. &lt;/a&gt; When you watch it remember that this is the community that is supposedly so completely homophobic that we don&#039;t even discuss gays and lesbians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that have not seen it here is the <a href="http://www.womanist-musings.com/2008/12/black-caucaus-on-gay-rights.html" rel="nofollow">position of the black caucus on gay rights. </a> When you watch it remember that this is the community that is supposedly so completely homophobic that we don&#8217;t even discuss gays and lesbians.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@polerin

You didn&#039;t fall on your sword.  Yes I agree the cover and the article are so completely offensive, yet there are some already defending it.  What troubles me about this is, considering the fall out from Prop 8 this is the last thing that was needed.  I have had quite a few POC contact me in a rage over it, asking me why they should continue to be an ally.  I say what I always say, we don&#039;t do it because it is always easy, or for the cookie, we do it because it is the right thing to do.  I am going to continue to advocate for gay rights because I believe the cause is just, but my trust is something that has been severely damaged. 

When you are running a social justice movement you need the support of people of various races and classes.  This is a lesson that the GLBTQI community did not take from out civil rights movement that was probably the most crucial message of all.  Whites and blacks marched together.  The Jewish community was beyond instrumental.  By turning this anger towards POC what they are assuring is that there will be one less group of people that are willing to fight for the cause.  When people feel that their human dignity is being denied they are less inclined to fight for the human dignity of another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@polerin</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t fall on your sword.  Yes I agree the cover and the article are so completely offensive, yet there are some already defending it.  What troubles me about this is, considering the fall out from Prop 8 this is the last thing that was needed.  I have had quite a few POC contact me in a rage over it, asking me why they should continue to be an ally.  I say what I always say, we don&#8217;t do it because it is always easy, or for the cookie, we do it because it is the right thing to do.  I am going to continue to advocate for gay rights because I believe the cause is just, but my trust is something that has been severely damaged. </p>
<p>When you are running a social justice movement you need the support of people of various races and classes.  This is a lesson that the GLBTQI community did not take from out civil rights movement that was probably the most crucial message of all.  Whites and blacks marched together.  The Jewish community was beyond instrumental.  By turning this anger towards POC what they are assuring is that there will be one less group of people that are willing to fight for the cause.  When people feel that their human dignity is being denied they are less inclined to fight for the human dignity of another.</p>
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