Why so many words to say that mankind needs to eat less cow and suck less cock?
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I would be suspicious of anyone who made either assertion but both…thats just downright appalling.
Protecting heterosexuality? It’s under threat?
Well, I’m off to tickle the wife and do my part to avert this crisis…
Maybe they could kill two birds with one stone and suck less cow cock.
Oh wait, that would have to be bull cock, wouldn’t it?
William, direct your suspiciousness this way: we need to eat less cow.
What did cows ever do to us? Sure, they’re delicious, but so are people, and I don’t eat them either.
I like the way he phrases it.
“Saving heterosexuality”
As if it’s going to die off some day.
My suspicion comes less from people who want to eat less cow then from people who want to assert that “we” should eat less cow. If you want to not eat cow, for whatever reason, I’m all for it. Diversity is what makes the world interesting, and food is only second to music when it comes to the wonderful things cultures and individual personalities can produce. I’m just suspicious of people who want to generalize their own preferences, people who are not secure in their own choices unless others also do the same (by force if necessary). If you want to discuss eating cow with me, thats awesome. The difference between you and Pope Palpatine is that I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t use force to make me a vegetarian, dictate who I sleep with, or wear a certain hat to signal my rank.
Eat less cow.
Have more (safer) sex.
Fixed :)
William,
Veganism is not just a “preference”. It’s not like a preference for black over blue or sunsets to sunrises. We’re talking about animals’ LIVES, as well as human health and the future of our planet. This is life or death, not just a food preference.
“I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t use force to make me a vegetarian, dictate who I sleep with, or wear a certain hat to signal my rank.”
That’s right, I wouldn’t.
But, I’m still deeply offended that you consider my ethical obligation to treat sentient beings as such and live a life of relative nonviolence and exploitation a “preference.”
Being queer and/or trans isn’t usually a preference either, when you get down to it – “Oh, I’d prefer to be a girl this week.”
Orientation is good, I like that. We orient towards some things and away from others–ideas, practices, obligations.
Anyway, the point is, that the Pope’s talking bollocks. I think the environmental point is really a rhetorical point to emphasise the wrongness of GLBT people, the actual care factor on that one from the Pontiff afaik is pretty low compared to hating teh gays.
What we’re talking about is a decision you’ve made in light of your own personal ethics, experiences, and values. We’re talking about individual decisions here. The decision you’ve made might be completely central to your life and sense of self, but the same decision for others might be completely insignificant. For you the decision to be a vegan is a matter of life and death, for me the decision to be an omnivore is a matter of what I have a taste for or what is available today.
I have quite a few ethical obligations about which I feel very strongly but I still recognize that they are, to some degree, situational. If I’d grown up in a different home, or a different culture, or had relatively more or less privilege at different critical periods of my development I might have very different feelings about what is important in the world. For me, personally, asserting that something isn’t a preference implies that it is set in stone, that it is universal, that it is immutable and static. Asserting universal Truths means dogma, it means control, it means all of the things I find ugly in the world. In other words, because of my preferences I talk about preferences. Your mileage may vary.
William, I like your comments in general, but I would prefer it if you would not.
Elaine and everyone who might be here from her blog, can you please just fuck off? This isn’t quite as obnoxious as the people who crowd onto TDOR posts to complain about the nasty whatevers, but it’s close. Veganism (and factory farming and environmentalism AND environmental depredation) =! LGBT rights. I’m not talking medals here; they are different social problems arising from different social fallacies. Whatever your beliefs about animals or omnivores, they aren’t queer or trans people.
It’s not an interesting question, either as a moral self-check or a political priority jeremiad. It’s a stupid question to fulminate on. Either you insult people, or you sound rhetorically inept, or you sound like Pope Razeinger, or all three. It’s like when you start talking about concentration camps or breastfeeding or eugenic sterilization, Elaine. You try to make an analogy. You fuck it up. You fuck it up. You fuck it up.
I have no interest in strained comparisons, here or on any other post I might make to this blog. And I really don’t have much interest in discussing this or any issue with you. You’ve just been too obnoxious too often.
No prob, piny. Seems there was some context going on here I wasn’t aware of and I’ve no overwhelming need to ride into the thick of it if you’d rather just be done with it. See you in another thread.