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	<title>Comments on: Creature Comforts and Other Weekend Reads</title>
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		<title>By: Strange Japanese Sea Creatures &#124; Web Video Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219955</link>
		<dc:creator>Strange Japanese Sea Creatures &#124; Web Video Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe » Creature Comforts as well as Other Weekend Reads [...]</description>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219866</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that service animals are unique in their training and maintenance needs; an elevator requires a mechanic, not an alpha.  And of course, they&#039;re not like adult people.  And it is sad that a huge amount of specialized training gets lost completely.  

But this seems like a level where regulatory agencies might not be able to interfere much, at least not without unfairly burdening the owner.  I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m wondering, home visits?  Monthly cert requirements?  Loss of license after two spoiled dogs?  How would something like that work?  And if the animal became a service animal via field promotion--like the parrot in the story--how would you match up idiosyncratic training with an official idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that service animals are unique in their training and maintenance needs; an elevator requires a mechanic, not an alpha.  And of course, they&#8217;re not like adult people.  And it is sad that a huge amount of specialized training gets lost completely.  </p>
<p>But this seems like a level where regulatory agencies might not be able to interfere much, at least not without unfairly burdening the owner.  I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m wondering, home visits?  Monthly cert requirements?  Loss of license after two spoiled dogs?  How would something like that work?  And if the animal became a service animal via field promotion&#8211;like the parrot in the story&#8211;how would you match up idiosyncratic training with an official idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Ursula L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ursula L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...she could have gone to the SPCA to get one.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;she could have gone to the SPCA to get one.)</p>
<p>(Silly comment submitted itself randomly!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ursula L</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219856</link>
		<dc:creator>Ursula L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if an animal is officially a certified animal, it doesn&#039;t mean that the person it serves will do the work to keep its training up and its behavior appropriate.

An acquaintence of mine is blind, and has a trained service dog.  This is her second dog.  For both this dog, and her previous one, when she got it, it was properly trained and well behaved.  She went to all the classes on how to work with the dogs, and keep the training going.  But once she was home, in both cases, she quickly let the training slide, and the dogs&#039; behavior deteriorated badly.

I&#039;m allergic, and don&#039;t care to be around dogs.  I&#039;m generally quite happy to have someone with a service animal around, however, as the service animals are supposed to be well trained, and focused on their owner completely, so that others get left alone.  Once the training is gone, however, a &quot;service animal&quot; is not any better than any other.  

Requiring certification wouldn&#039;t mean that the people who got the certification would keep up with the work it takes to have a properly behaved working dog.  

(It&#039;s a shame about these dogs, because they&#039;re donated, and there is a long waiting list.  To have them go to someone who doesn&#039;t take advantage of the heavy investment in training that they&#039;ve had seems a waste.  If she just wanted a pet, )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if an animal is officially a certified animal, it doesn&#8217;t mean that the person it serves will do the work to keep its training up and its behavior appropriate.</p>
<p>An acquaintence of mine is blind, and has a trained service dog.  This is her second dog.  For both this dog, and her previous one, when she got it, it was properly trained and well behaved.  She went to all the classes on how to work with the dogs, and keep the training going.  But once she was home, in both cases, she quickly let the training slide, and the dogs&#8217; behavior deteriorated badly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m allergic, and don&#8217;t care to be around dogs.  I&#8217;m generally quite happy to have someone with a service animal around, however, as the service animals are supposed to be well trained, and focused on their owner completely, so that others get left alone.  Once the training is gone, however, a &#8220;service animal&#8221; is not any better than any other.  </p>
<p>Requiring certification wouldn&#8217;t mean that the people who got the certification would keep up with the work it takes to have a properly behaved working dog.  </p>
<p>(It&#8217;s a shame about these dogs, because they&#8217;re donated, and there is a long waiting list.  To have them go to someone who doesn&#8217;t take advantage of the heavy investment in training that they&#8217;ve had seems a waste.  If she just wanted a pet, )</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219829</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I don&#039;t give a flying fuck about basketball.  The makeup of any given sports team, even on the national level, has little to no effect on my life.  And even legacy plumbers need certification and real-world experience before they can really build a practice.  It&#039;s like the difference between Dr. Whosis Junior getting a partnership in her mommy&#039;s practice and Dr. Whosis Junior getting to perform neurosurgery because her mommy does, too.  The path in many of these situations may become much smoother, but not much shorter.  

The problem with political legacies is that they are even more subject to branding than many other careers, and sometimes less equipped with industry checks.  For a politician, a surname is not merely an in.  It can become a substitute for education, training, apprenticeship--a degree and a residency, in other words.  I doubt, as you seem to, that nepotism can be formally destroyed altogether.  I still think it&#039;s important to try to overcome a tendency towards promoting a name above other qualifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t give a flying fuck about basketball.  The makeup of any given sports team, even on the national level, has little to no effect on my life.  And even legacy plumbers need certification and real-world experience before they can really build a practice.  It&#8217;s like the difference between Dr. Whosis Junior getting a partnership in her mommy&#8217;s practice and Dr. Whosis Junior getting to perform neurosurgery because her mommy does, too.  The path in many of these situations may become much smoother, but not much shorter.  </p>
<p>The problem with political legacies is that they are even more subject to branding than many other careers, and sometimes less equipped with industry checks.  For a politician, a surname is not merely an in.  It can become a substitute for education, training, apprenticeship&#8211;a degree and a residency, in other words.  I doubt, as you seem to, that nepotism can be formally destroyed altogether.  I still think it&#8217;s important to try to overcome a tendency towards promoting a name above other qualifications.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, not sure if you say the Time Out stats article where they said&lt;strong&gt; New Yorkers bite more people than dogs do. &lt;/strong&gt;

Just saying... I think the hysteria over pets in public places is unfounded :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, not sure if you say the Time Out stats article where they said<strong> New Yorkers bite more people than dogs do. </strong></p>
<p>Just saying&#8230; I think the hysteria over pets in public places is unfounded :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219810</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So politicians&#039; kids have a path into politics, just like kids of high-level athletes and coaches have a path into athletics, or plumbers&#039; kids have a path into plumbing. That&#039;s just how the world works. If experience is so important, why not just have a computer total up everyone&#039;s experience and pick a senator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So politicians&#8217; kids have a path into politics, just like kids of high-level athletes and coaches have a path into athletics, or plumbers&#8217; kids have a path into plumbing. That&#8217;s just how the world works. If experience is so important, why not just have a computer total up everyone&#8217;s experience and pick a senator?</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/03/creature-comforts-and-other-weekend-reads/#comment-219796</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no need to base treatment of PWD on the snap judgments of ignorant strangers, with service animals or any other access issue.  Regulatory agencies can handle this; the question of knowing when one sees crops up everywhere.  People without visible (or well-understood) disabilities use exclusive parking spaces, and there&#039;s no movement to dismantle them because some assholes break the law to take advantage of it.  

For me, the most interesting thing about the article was the predominance of stereotypes even in discussions of policy.  And the insistence that stereotypes were useful tools in and of themselves.  It makes perfect sense that people with mental-health issues should be ignored; that&#039;s an ableist trope elsewhere, too: not visible to outsiders, not real.  And it makes perfect sense that acknowledgement of service-animal utility is based on the same reductive impulse.  A dog is a white-tipped cane, whereas a pony is a circus act.  Even people who know nothing about service animals insist that they can judge their owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no need to base treatment of PWD on the snap judgments of ignorant strangers, with service animals or any other access issue.  Regulatory agencies can handle this; the question of knowing when one sees crops up everywhere.  People without visible (or well-understood) disabilities use exclusive parking spaces, and there&#8217;s no movement to dismantle them because some assholes break the law to take advantage of it.  </p>
<p>For me, the most interesting thing about the article was the predominance of stereotypes even in discussions of policy.  And the insistence that stereotypes were useful tools in and of themselves.  It makes perfect sense that people with mental-health issues should be ignored; that&#8217;s an ableist trope elsewhere, too: not visible to outsiders, not real.  And it makes perfect sense that acknowledgement of service-animal utility is based on the same reductive impulse.  A dog is a white-tipped cane, whereas a pony is a circus act.  Even people who know nothing about service animals insist that they can judge their owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom has a working dog (and as the law says she does not have to disclose to anyone what illnesses she has).  The dog training was extensive, over a year, and expensive, about $12,000.  She rarely encounters any problems, though she has filed a complaint with the ADA/Civil Rights in Albany, who are very helpful for one argument with employees and a manager at a store.  The dog is incredibly well behaved.  Children (and sometimes adults) run at the dog and give it a hug, the dog is a German Shepard and does not respond (stands still) as it was trained to do.  (The dog of course wears a vest that says &quot;Do not touch me, I&#039;m working&quot;).  Would I support registration? or would my Mother? Maybe, though it would be impossible for many people to pay $12,000 and people should not be discriminated because they are unable to pay that amount.  Though I&#039;ve never heard of anyone bringing their dogs around saying they&#039;re service dogs, and my mother is very active in the service dog community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom has a working dog (and as the law says she does not have to disclose to anyone what illnesses she has).  The dog training was extensive, over a year, and expensive, about $12,000.  She rarely encounters any problems, though she has filed a complaint with the ADA/Civil Rights in Albany, who are very helpful for one argument with employees and a manager at a store.  The dog is incredibly well behaved.  Children (and sometimes adults) run at the dog and give it a hug, the dog is a German Shepard and does not respond (stands still) as it was trained to do.  (The dog of course wears a vest that says &#8220;Do not touch me, I&#8217;m working&#8221;).  Would I support registration? or would my Mother? Maybe, though it would be impossible for many people to pay $12,000 and people should not be discriminated because they are unable to pay that amount.  Though I&#8217;ve never heard of anyone bringing their dogs around saying they&#8217;re service dogs, and my mother is very active in the service dog community.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaine-

The point is that if you publicize the laws well, that&#039;s something of a disincentive in itself; beyond that, if something did go wrong, it would allow greater leeway for prosecuting abuses. 

Animals may be part of nature, but not all animals are safe. Not all animals are clean. As the article explained, there serious diseases that can be transmitted between humans and animals. It violates health codes to have animals around. If I&#039;m out to dinner and someone next to me pulls out their pet rat or their wild monkey, that&#039;s a problem. If I&#039;m an employee and all of a sudden it becomes part of my job to deal with someone&#039;s poorly-trained and aggressive dog, or some idiot&#039;s loose snake, or animal feces, that&#039;s a problem. And it&#039;s not just because I don&#039;t like &quot;change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine-</p>
<p>The point is that if you publicize the laws well, that&#8217;s something of a disincentive in itself; beyond that, if something did go wrong, it would allow greater leeway for prosecuting abuses. </p>
<p>Animals may be part of nature, but not all animals are safe. Not all animals are clean. As the article explained, there serious diseases that can be transmitted between humans and animals. It violates health codes to have animals around. If I&#8217;m out to dinner and someone next to me pulls out their pet rat or their wild monkey, that&#8217;s a problem. If I&#8217;m an employee and all of a sudden it becomes part of my job to deal with someone&#8217;s poorly-trained and aggressive dog, or some idiot&#8217;s loose snake, or animal feces, that&#8217;s a problem. And it&#8217;s not just because I don&#8217;t like &#8220;change.&#8221;</p>
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