Comments on: Execution style http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:12:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Linkie roundup thingie « Missing Words http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-227508 Linkie roundup thingie « Missing Words Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:07:32 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-227508 [...] His name was Oscar Grant, and he was 22. A lot of blogs have covered this by now, here are a few - Feministe have video links (which I have not managed to bring myself to watch yet) - Womanist Musings: Oscar Grant: Black in [...] [...] His name was Oscar Grant, and he was 22. A lot of blogs have covered this by now, here are a few – Feministe have video links (which I have not managed to bring myself to watch yet) – Womanist Musings: Oscar Grant: Black in [...]

]]> By: Radfem http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-221180 Radfem Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:47:35 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-221180 More information <a href="http://injusticeinseattle.blogspot.com/2009/01/bart-officer-johannes-mehserle-arrested.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. More information here.

]]> By: Radfem http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-221179 Radfem Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:45:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-221179 The ex-BART officer who shot and killed Oscar Grant <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090114/ap_on_re_us/train_station_shooting" rel="nofollow">turned himself in on an arrest warrant</a>. Information about charges hasn't been released yet. The ex-BART officer who shot and killed Oscar Grant turned himself in on an arrest warrant. Information about charges hasn’t been released yet.

]]> By: Kas http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220937 Kas Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:30:27 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220937 Lets be honest here, there was no reason for that cop to even think about pulling his weapon at Grant. This is the EXACT reason why I HATE cops. Thank you for posting this. I don't even know the guy, but I, unlike cops, know the difference between right and wrong. I will tell the world of this and tell all to keep aware. May you Rest In Peace Oscar... Lets be honest here, there was no reason for that cop to even think about pulling his weapon at Grant. This is the EXACT reason why I HATE cops. Thank you for posting this. I don’t even know the guy, but I, unlike cops, know the difference between right and wrong.
I will tell the world of this and tell all to keep aware.

May you Rest In Peace Oscar…

]]> By: GlobalComment » Under Seige: On Oscar Grant and Other Victims http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220897 GlobalComment » Under Seige: On Oscar Grant and Other Victims Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:14:52 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220897 [...] else can you call what occurred on New Year’s Day in Oakland? A BART officer caught on tape shooting transit passenger Oscar Grant in the back, while Grant lay [...] [...] else can you call what occurred on New Year’s Day in Oakland? A BART officer caught on tape shooting transit passenger Oscar Grant in the back, while Grant lay [...]

]]> By: Leah http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220789 Leah Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:35:20 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220789 NEVER pull out a gun unless you are planning to kill someone. That is the #1 rule that my husband taught me when I learned to use a handgun. He mentioned that the double action might have been a factor, but the gun NEVER should have been pulled. It looked like the female BART also had her firearm drawn and at her side for some time. I don't think it is fair to paint all police / law enforcement as being bad. But, these BART people looked very unsure as to how to handle themselves and the crowd, and the shooter looked like he was executing someone. The shooter needs to be prosecuted for murder, but these other BART people need some training on crowd control and situational awareness. Prior to the shooting, the BART behavior was inciting the crowd and endangering everyone. Good law enforcement is about DE-escalation and prevention. Dressing a force up like commandos and giving them firearms without training is a recipe for tragedy. NEVER pull out a gun unless you are planning to kill someone.

That is the #1 rule that my husband taught me when I learned to use a handgun. He mentioned that the double action might have been a factor, but the gun NEVER should have been pulled.

It looked like the female BART also had her firearm drawn and at her side for some time.

I don’t think it is fair to paint all police / law enforcement as being bad. But, these BART people looked very unsure as to how to handle themselves and the crowd, and the shooter looked like he was executing someone. The shooter needs to be prosecuted for murder, but these other BART people need some training on crowd control and situational awareness. Prior to the shooting, the BART behavior was inciting the crowd and endangering everyone. Good law enforcement is about DE-escalation and prevention. Dressing a force up like commandos and giving them firearms without training is a recipe for tragedy.

]]> By: On Oscar Grant’s Murder « Avowed Virago http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220762 On Oscar Grant’s Murder « Avowed Virago Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:00:42 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220762 [...] is more at Feministe as [...] [...] is more at Feministe as [...]

]]> By: Radfem http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220668 Radfem Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:27:59 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220668 Officer Johannes Mehserle <a href="http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=5&id=44919" rel="nofollow">has resigned</a> before being compelled or in the process of being compelled to be interviewed by BART's internal affairs division. He refused to appear so if he hadn't resigned, he probably would have been fired for insubordination. Resignations are fairly rare because most officers in California and other places force their agencies to fire them, then wait to see if the criminal case doesn't lead to charges or they get acquitted of charges (which happens even in video-taped cases all the time) and then appeal and usually have little to no problems getting reinstated with back pay 2-3 years down the road. Unless they're considered probational which usually the first 12-18 months on the job. Officer Johannes Mehserle has resigned before being compelled or in the process of being compelled to be interviewed by BART’s internal affairs division. He refused to appear so if he hadn’t resigned, he probably would have been fired for insubordination.

Resignations are fairly rare because most officers in California and other places force their agencies to fire them, then wait to see if the criminal case doesn’t lead to charges or they get acquitted of charges (which happens even in video-taped cases all the time) and then appeal and usually have little to no problems getting reinstated with back pay 2-3 years down the road. Unless they’re considered probational which usually the first 12-18 months on the job.

]]> By: William http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220639 William Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:09:16 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220639 <blockquote>Why did the officer intend to use lethal force on a man who was being restrained by him and other officers?</blockquote> Because he thought he could get away with it, because he thought that being a cop meant the rules didn't apply to him, because he was part of a system which told him every day that he was better than others and had the right to push them around with escalating force for mere disobedience. The local DA is apparently calling this a homicide, but at the same time says their investigation is focusing on the killer's "state of mind." Even in a case where an officer murders a man in public, on tape, in front of dozens of witnesses the wagons are already circled. If the roles had been reversed Grant would have either been killed on the spot or be looking at death row. Something tells me thats not going to happen to this animal, though.

Why did the officer intend to use lethal force on a man who was being restrained by him and other officers?

Because he thought he could get away with it, because he thought that being a cop meant the rules didn’t apply to him, because he was part of a system which told him every day that he was better than others and had the right to push them around with escalating force for mere disobedience. The local DA is apparently calling this a homicide, but at the same time says their investigation is focusing on the killer’s “state of mind.” Even in a case where an officer murders a man in public, on tape, in front of dozens of witnesses the wagons are already circled. If the roles had been reversed Grant would have either been killed on the spot or be looking at death row. Something tells me thats not going to happen to this animal, though.

]]> By: Radfem http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/execution-style/#comment-220617 Radfem Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:42:44 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10673#comment-220617 Were they glock 40s or S&W 40s? They're the more common firearms used by LE agencies in California. He engaged in deadly force the second he decided to pull his weapon out so even if it was "accidental" discharge (and at least with S&W, the first shot fired in a volley takes the most pressure), the intent to use lethal force in a situation which doesn't look at least on video to have warranted it is the issue. Why did the officer intend to use lethal force on a man who was being restrained by him and other officers? In most policies, pointing a gun and discharging it are at the same point on the use of force continuium. Were they glock 40s or S&W 40s? They’re the more common firearms used by LE agencies in California. He engaged in deadly force the second he decided to pull his weapon out so even if it was “accidental” discharge (and at least with S&W, the first shot fired in a volley takes the most pressure), the intent to use lethal force in a situation which doesn’t look at least on video to have warranted it is the issue. Why did the officer intend to use lethal force on a man who was being restrained by him and other officers? In most policies, pointing a gun and discharging it are at the same point on the use of force continuium.

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