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	<title>Comments on: Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Conan tonight</title>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least he will be dead soon</description>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/sheriff-joe-arpaio-on-conan-tonight/#comment-220666</link>
		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every &quot;bad&quot; officer has at least 10 &quot;good&quot; ones backing them up and toeing that thin blue line. It&#039;s not individuals, it&#039;s a system without individuals because policing is all about conformity to a structure. There are officers who are good that work within it. But they don&#039;t say very much, in part because it&#039;s systemic and that system punishes those who do come forward. And the punishment is severe. Why? Because reporting on &quot;bad&quot; officers is the ultimate act of betrayal by a police officer. 

Now why would a &quot;good&quot; profession punish officers who report wrongdoing? Why would those &quot;good&quot; officers tell them if you don&#039;t receive back up on your calls for backup you&#039;ll know why? Why does Internal Affairs, an agency that&#039;s supposed to go after &quot;bad&quot; officers initiate or reopen closed investigations against officers who report misconduct? Why are officers who report misconduct often run out, placed on unpaid administrative leave (as opposed to paid leave given to officers under investigation for serious offenses)? 

Why do so many &quot;bad&quot; officers receive promotions and awards? It&#039;s really something to watch an officer who harassed and threatened you receive a civic award. On three different different occasions. 

Why have officers been brutally assaulted, shot to death, threatened and terrorized for reporting misconduct while the majority of  &quot;good&quot; officers did nothing? Why are many of them who do forced to file lawsuits, which is when you finally find out what was going on the whole time behind that blue wall? 

Do you know that Frank Serpico is nearly as hated by NYPD officers now as he was in the 1970s? Most of these officers don&#039;t even know him. Many were kids when he blew the whistle on the NYPD and testified before a special anti-corruption commission. How does this hatred get passed on? 

Until you address the system, you can have &quot;good&quot; officers in the mix, who still won&#039;t say a damn thing when misconduct takes place. I know, I was mistreated by an officer while the one with him just watched. He didn&#039;t report it. I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every &#8220;bad&#8221; officer has at least 10 &#8220;good&#8221; ones backing them up and toeing that thin blue line. It&#8217;s not individuals, it&#8217;s a system without individuals because policing is all about conformity to a structure. There are officers who are good that work within it. But they don&#8217;t say very much, in part because it&#8217;s systemic and that system punishes those who do come forward. And the punishment is severe. Why? Because reporting on &#8220;bad&#8221; officers is the ultimate act of betrayal by a police officer. </p>
<p>Now why would a &#8220;good&#8221; profession punish officers who report wrongdoing? Why would those &#8220;good&#8221; officers tell them if you don&#8217;t receive back up on your calls for backup you&#8217;ll know why? Why does Internal Affairs, an agency that&#8217;s supposed to go after &#8220;bad&#8221; officers initiate or reopen closed investigations against officers who report misconduct? Why are officers who report misconduct often run out, placed on unpaid administrative leave (as opposed to paid leave given to officers under investigation for serious offenses)? </p>
<p>Why do so many &#8220;bad&#8221; officers receive promotions and awards? It&#8217;s really something to watch an officer who harassed and threatened you receive a civic award. On three different different occasions. </p>
<p>Why have officers been brutally assaulted, shot to death, threatened and terrorized for reporting misconduct while the majority of  &#8220;good&#8221; officers did nothing? Why are many of them who do forced to file lawsuits, which is when you finally find out what was going on the whole time behind that blue wall? </p>
<p>Do you know that Frank Serpico is nearly as hated by NYPD officers now as he was in the 1970s? Most of these officers don&#8217;t even know him. Many were kids when he blew the whistle on the NYPD and testified before a special anti-corruption commission. How does this hatred get passed on? </p>
<p>Until you address the system, you can have &#8220;good&#8221; officers in the mix, who still won&#8217;t say a damn thing when misconduct takes place. I know, I was mistreated by an officer while the one with him just watched. He didn&#8217;t report it. I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m sure there are good cops, but they cover for the legions of bad ones and look the other way.&quot;

I was just going to say the same thing.  I consider that to be conspiracy, making them all guilty.  So until the Blue Shield start cracking and more police are willing to police their own ranks, fuck them.

BTW I&#039;m a native Chicagoan myself.  We do not have very many decent cops around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m sure there are good cops, but they cover for the legions of bad ones and look the other way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was just going to say the same thing.  I consider that to be conspiracy, making them all guilty.  So until the Blue Shield start cracking and more police are willing to police their own ranks, fuck them.</p>
<p>BTW I&#8217;m a native Chicagoan myself.  We do not have very many decent cops around here.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, William — I appreciate your anger, but please let’s not overgeneralize, okay? There are plenty of police officers, sheriff’s deputies, correctional officers, etc who aren’t brutal monsters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think its an over-generalization. I grew up, and still live, in Chicago and I&#039;ve seen the routine brutality with my own eyes. I live in a neighborhood that has increased police attention because it used to be poor and black but is now gentrifying and a week doesn&#039;t go by when I don&#039;t see the police roughing up a black kid. I&#039;ve had police point guns at me for asking questions. I&#039;ve been personally assaulted by police officers. I&#039;ve had acquaintances who were cops who bragged about beating handcuffed suspects to give them an &quot;attitude adjustment.&quot; I live in a city where a story broke about police routinely using car batteries on people&#039;s genitals to extract confessions and no one was surprised.  

I&#039;m sure there are good cops, but they cover for the legions of bad ones and look the other way. On top of that every single cop working today contributes to a system which arrests (usually brown) people for smoking pot and puts them in prison then laughs about them getting raped. We live in a country where every police force in every jurisdiction is militarizing. Where no-knock raids are routine. Where the police feel comfortable confiscating people&#039;s cellphones so they can get rid of videos of one of their own executing an unarmed man.

I know it isn&#039;t popular, but the police aren&#039;t the good guys. They aren&#039;t an honorable group with a few bad apples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, William — I appreciate your anger, but please let’s not overgeneralize, okay? There are plenty of police officers, sheriff’s deputies, correctional officers, etc who aren’t brutal monsters.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think its an over-generalization. I grew up, and still live, in Chicago and I&#8217;ve seen the routine brutality with my own eyes. I live in a neighborhood that has increased police attention because it used to be poor and black but is now gentrifying and a week doesn&#8217;t go by when I don&#8217;t see the police roughing up a black kid. I&#8217;ve had police point guns at me for asking questions. I&#8217;ve been personally assaulted by police officers. I&#8217;ve had acquaintances who were cops who bragged about beating handcuffed suspects to give them an &#8220;attitude adjustment.&#8221; I live in a city where a story broke about police routinely using car batteries on people&#8217;s genitals to extract confessions and no one was surprised.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are good cops, but they cover for the legions of bad ones and look the other way. On top of that every single cop working today contributes to a system which arrests (usually brown) people for smoking pot and puts them in prison then laughs about them getting raped. We live in a country where every police force in every jurisdiction is militarizing. Where no-knock raids are routine. Where the police feel comfortable confiscating people&#8217;s cellphones so they can get rid of videos of one of their own executing an unarmed man.</p>
<p>I know it isn&#8217;t popular, but the police aren&#8217;t the good guys. They aren&#8217;t an honorable group with a few bad apples.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for my home county&#039;s jail, and we actually housed a lot of federal inmates.  It was a pretty large jail and considered &quot;high security&quot; but in a really small county, so most inmates where actually there long-term.  We were basically a small prison.

Anyway, most of the inmates in &quot;Tent City&quot; however?  Not there long-term and indeed the majority have not even been CONVICTED yet, which is the scary part.  Sigh.

And AshKW, thank you for that.  What with that officer shooting that man in the back, there has been a LOT of outrage and vitriol against ALL officers, and while I understand the emotion behind it, it&#039;s just not logical.  In my time, I have worked with many officers of the law.  The majority are normal, wonderful human beings who don&#039;t shoot people in the back.  We definitely have a problem with how much power the police have in our country, especially in certain areas, but that doesn&#039;t mean every officer everywhere is horrible.  The majority really aren&#039;t.  Besides, we have a problem with authority in our government, PERIOD.  Just because guns aren&#039;t involved doesn&#039;t mean that its any less harmful that government and religious leaders have so much damn power over us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for my home county&#8217;s jail, and we actually housed a lot of federal inmates.  It was a pretty large jail and considered &#8220;high security&#8221; but in a really small county, so most inmates where actually there long-term.  We were basically a small prison.</p>
<p>Anyway, most of the inmates in &#8220;Tent City&#8221; however?  Not there long-term and indeed the majority have not even been CONVICTED yet, which is the scary part.  Sigh.</p>
<p>And AshKW, thank you for that.  What with that officer shooting that man in the back, there has been a LOT of outrage and vitriol against ALL officers, and while I understand the emotion behind it, it&#8217;s just not logical.  In my time, I have worked with many officers of the law.  The majority are normal, wonderful human beings who don&#8217;t shoot people in the back.  We definitely have a problem with how much power the police have in our country, especially in certain areas, but that doesn&#8217;t mean every officer everywhere is horrible.  The majority really aren&#8217;t.  Besides, we have a problem with authority in our government, PERIOD.  Just because guns aren&#8217;t involved doesn&#8217;t mean that its any less harmful that government and religious leaders have so much damn power over us.</p>
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		<title>By: AshKW</title>
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		<dc:creator>AshKW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, marilove&#039;s right. A jail is different than a prison -- although there are inmates sometimes serving short sentences who technically are criminals. But regardless, criminals or not, they&#039;re still human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

Hey, William -- I appreciate your anger, but please let&#039;s not overgeneralize, okay? There are plenty of police officers, sheriff&#039;s deputies, correctional officers, etc who aren&#039;t brutal monsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, marilove&#8217;s right. A jail is different than a prison &#8212; although there are inmates sometimes serving short sentences who technically are criminals. But regardless, criminals or not, they&#8217;re still human beings and deserve to be treated as such.</p>
<p>Hey, William &#8212; I appreciate your anger, but please let&#8217;s not overgeneralize, okay? There are plenty of police officers, sheriff&#8217;s deputies, correctional officers, etc who aren&#8217;t brutal monsters.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part, piny?  IS ALMOST ALL HIS INMATES ARE NOT CONVICTED!  Therefore, they are NOT criminals.  They are awaiting trial and treated like animals.  Isn&#039;t that just fab?

And let me not even begin on the &quot;illegal alien&quot; bullshit.  God how I hate that term.  It&#039;s so dehuminizing.  BUT WHO CARES THEY ARE MEXICAN AMIRIGHT?

RAGE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part, piny?  IS ALMOST ALL HIS INMATES ARE NOT CONVICTED!  Therefore, they are NOT criminals.  They are awaiting trial and treated like animals.  Isn&#8217;t that just fab?</p>
<p>And let me not even begin on the &#8220;illegal alien&#8221; bullshit.  God how I hate that term.  It&#8217;s so dehuminizing.  BUT WHO CARES THEY ARE MEXICAN AMIRIGHT?</p>
<p>RAGE!</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/07/sheriff-joe-arpaio-on-conan-tonight/#comment-220450</link>
		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an Arizona native and have lived in Maricopa County for the last 8 years.  GOD I WANT THIS SORRY EXCUSE FOR A MAN AND SHERIFF TO JUST DIAF.

I can&#039;t even be level headed about it.  Fuck you, Sheriff Joe, fuck you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Arizona native and have lived in Maricopa County for the last 8 years.  GOD I WANT THIS SORRY EXCUSE FOR A MAN AND SHERIFF TO JUST DIAF.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even be level headed about it.  Fuck you, Sheriff Joe, fuck you.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(It sounds like you were being tongue in cheek, I know.) I dunno, WilliamThe problem with television is that it gives monstrous people an excellent chance to put the best possible face on their monstrous system.  All in good fun.  I kind of doubt Conan will be asking hard-hitting questions about the stillborn baby.  

And given the way that formulaic crime/courtroom dramas portray justice in America, I doubt that viewers will be in a questioning frame of mind.  If somebody like Arpaio is actually brutalizing prisoners, all Casey has to do is ask Judith Light to go pull a few strings, right?  Fred Thompson would never allow that kind of thing on his watch, media circus be damned.  

&lt;em&gt;I had to leave the room before I did something I regretted.&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah.  I can&#039;t have these arguments, because I don&#039;t _have_ a calm, reasoned response to, &quot;But they&#039;re criminals!  Who cares?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(It sounds like you were being tongue in cheek, I know.) I dunno, WilliamThe problem with television is that it gives monstrous people an excellent chance to put the best possible face on their monstrous system.  All in good fun.  I kind of doubt Conan will be asking hard-hitting questions about the stillborn baby.  </p>
<p>And given the way that formulaic crime/courtroom dramas portray justice in America, I doubt that viewers will be in a questioning frame of mind.  If somebody like Arpaio is actually brutalizing prisoners, all Casey has to do is ask Judith Light to go pull a few strings, right?  Fred Thompson would never allow that kind of thing on his watch, media circus be damned.  </p>
<p><em>I had to leave the room before I did something I regretted.</em></p>
<p>Yeah.  I can&#8217;t have these arguments, because I don&#8217;t _have_ a calm, reasoned response to, &#8220;But they&#8217;re criminals!  Who cares?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry357</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry357</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an arizona native I can&#039;t tell you how much I hate this so callef &quot;sheriff Joe Arpio&quot; this man is a sick freak . But as far as I know HE can kiss my rear end !!He needs to leave Maricopa County and not come back!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an arizona native I can&#8217;t tell you how much I hate this so callef &#8220;sheriff Joe Arpio&#8221; this man is a sick freak . But as far as I know HE can kiss my rear end !!He needs to leave Maricopa County and not come back!!!!</p>
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