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  1. CTD
    CTD January 8, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    It’s a good question, and the answer is unclear.

    It’s actually pretty clear: The soldiers shown are not, in fact, psychotically evil butchers hellbent on murdering “kids” (though those “kids” mostly look an awful lot like young, grown-ass men to me), but soldiers disbursing a violent crowd that’s slinging rocks.

  2. frank
    frank January 8, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    i’m not impressed. you realize the difference between the idf and the Palestinian terrorists rather quickly when you think of what would happen if she walked up to hamas gunmen and tried to stop them from firing rockets.

  3. thilardiel
    thilardiel January 8, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    the video is no longer available.

  4. Holly
    Holly January 8, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    That’s funny, it’s working for me.

  5. Holly
    Holly January 8, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    You get to trumpet about how you’re “not impressed” once you can prove you’d do the same thing: stand up to men with guns who are part of an armed force that’s killed thousands of people in your community over the last few years, and try to get them to stop firing. Come back when you have the video.

  6. Ellen
    Ellen January 8, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    Police or the army in the US would absolutely never disperse a crowd by shooting at them. They often become violent and use teargas, but they have strategies for breaking up potentially violent protests that they use before they start killing people.

  7. Jill
    Jill January 8, 2009 at 1:14 pm | *

    Really, Ellen? Never?

  8. victoria
    victoria January 8, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    Ellen, are you being sarcastic? I can introduce you to people who have been shot at by police with “less lethal” weapons like rubber bullets and wooden dowels as they were attempting to peacefully disperse from an area. Two events I can name:

    April 7, 2003, Port of Oakland, CA. Oakland police fired at anti-war protesters as they were walking away as directed. People were shot in the back with wooden dowels and other projectiles.

    November 20, 2003, Miami, FL. Police fire into crowd protesting the FTAA trade deal. A permitted march was dispersing, but apparently not fast enough, because the police starting firing at people. A friend of mine was shot in the forehead, near his temple, with a rubber bullet.

    Both of these events have photo and video footage on the web if you do a quick search.

  9. Ruchama
    Ruchama January 8, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    Anybody know where the video was taken? The landscape looks to me more like Northern Israel than Southern, but I’m not certain. Also, who was filming? And in a few shots, you can see a few other non-military people right by her — a man a bit behind her, and a woman next to her.

    As for the Israeli military having “incredibly restraint,” there’s a huge difference between the actions of the military as a whole and the actions of individual soldiers.

  10. misstickle
    misstickle January 8, 2009 at 5:57 pm |

    it looks staged to me

  11. Eurosabra
    Eurosabra January 8, 2009 at 6:17 pm |

    Um, she’s actually a terribly well-known activist in the area, as in *internationally famous* and a US-Passport Palestinian, which explains why she wasn’t even arrested. FWIW, the soldier is also clearly far out of thrown-rock range, so even firing rubber-coated steel bullets (which is what the red tape on the magazine indicates) would be seen as excessive.

    If I were an incredibly bloody-minded IDF soldier or Border Guard with tons of chutzpah, I might have arrested her on camera for going for the gun, suicide-terrorist style. But I’m a civilian medic, and not on-site anyway.

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  15. Samuel
    Samuel January 10, 2009 at 3:53 am |

    They may not be hellbent on murder, but if you think that the U.S. military — or hell, just the police — would generally tolerate this kind of thing, you’re mistaken. Which can be taken to show that the Israeli military has incredibly restraint — but recent actions and the actions in this video indicate absolutely otherwise, which makes me ask the question, again, of why she was allowed to “get away with it.”

    Cara, you’re absolutely right, I am surprised they let her that close without opening fire on her, she is caring a camera bag(?) which makes her a possible threat. As for throwing rocks, if you are within range to throw a rock you are within range to throw an incendiary device.

  16. Radfem
    Radfem January 10, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    Police or the army in the US would absolutely never disperse a crowd by shooting at them. They often become violent and use teargas, but they have strategies for breaking up potentially violent protests that they use before they start killing people.

    Have you ever been shot with rubber bullets? Every “less-lethal” projectile used has caused deaths and serious injuries, especially when they don’t shoot them at the ground for dispersal of a crowd but fire them point-blank at people’s faces and heads.

    it looks staged to me

    You know, you’re right. If you look carefully at the soldier’s back pocket, you can clearly see his SAG card sticking out.

  17. S.D.
    S.D. January 11, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    It’s an insane violation on their part to let her so close to them;
    I’ll elaborate: there were, are, and most likely will continue to be female suicide bombers, according to any common sense they should have opened warning shots and shouted at her to stay away.

    The whole reaching for the gun thing is a clear provocation, hell, the whole thing was a provocation on her part, she’s not an activist – she’s a propaganda tool.

  18. lover
    lover January 12, 2009 at 1:20 am |

    @victoria They were shot at with non-lethal weapons which is how riot police do it in almost all Western counrties (hell, even most Eastern countries).

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