Comments on: “We Cannot Live Without Our Lives” Either: Jews, Privilege, and Anti-Subordination http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 4 « It’s All Connected… http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-224126 What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 4 « It’s All Connected… Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:20:43 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-224126 [...] Schraub did that any Jew who questions Jewish nationalism on the grounds I have outlined here is “adopting a position that [is] not just wrong, but extremely dangerous to Jewish lives and equ..., is to force on those Jews precisely the choice forced on the transgender woman in my scenario. It [...] [...] Schraub did that any Jew who questions Jewish nationalism on the grounds I have outlined here is “adopting a position that [is] not just wrong, but extremely dangerous to Jewish lives and equ…, is to force on those Jews precisely the choice forced on the transgender woman in my scenario. It [...]

]]> By: A Gentile Privilege Checklist « Modern Mitzvot http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-223393 A Gentile Privilege Checklist « Modern Mitzvot Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:41:18 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-223393 [...] January 26, 2009 by Julie I know most of us have pretty much said what we need to say about the Feministe debacle, but there’s one more thing I want to address before I try to put it behind [...] [...] January 26, 2009 by Julie I know most of us have pretty much said what we need to say about the Feministe debacle, but there’s one more thing I want to address before I try to put it behind [...]

]]> By: Also. « Bloggity Blog Blog Blog… http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-223333 Also. « Bloggity Blog Blog Blog… Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:33:22 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-223333 [...] been reading about it. It’s that, on the one hand, it seems so simple and, on the other hand, online discussions around it seem so huge, complex, historically fraught and basically minefield-esque that I’m a little [...] [...] been reading about it. It’s that, on the one hand, it seems so simple and, on the other hand, online discussions around it seem so huge, complex, historically fraught and basically minefield-esque that I’m a little [...]

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » A Gentile Privilege Checklist http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-223328 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » A Gentile Privilege Checklist Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:48:02 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-223328 [...] know most of us have pretty much said what we need to say about the Feministe debacle, but there’s one more thing I want to address before I try to put it behind [...] [...] know most of us have pretty much said what we need to say about the Feministe debacle, but there’s one more thing I want to address before I try to put it behind [...]

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 3 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222898 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 3 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:32:47 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222898 [...] furor that broke out over the way David Schraub introduced his first post at Feministe is a good example of this, I think. The Israeli assault on Gaza was ongoing and escalating, and not [...] [...] furor that broke out over the way David Schraub introduced his first post at Feministe is a good example of this, I think. The Israeli assault on Gaza was ongoing and escalating, and not [...]

]]> By: What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 3 « It’s All Connected… http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222897 What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 3 « It’s All Connected… Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:26:35 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222897 [...] furor that broke out over the way David Schraub introduced his first post at Feministe is a good example of this, I think. The Israeli assault on Gaza was ongoing and escalating, and not [...] [...] furor that broke out over the way David Schraub introduced his first post at Feministe is a good example of this, I think. The Israeli assault on Gaza was ongoing and escalating, and not [...]

]]> By: Richard Jeffrey Newman http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222755 Richard Jeffrey Newman Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:28:18 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222755 I just want to let people who might still be interested know that there's a very interesting conversation going on about some of the issues David was trying to raise at <a href="http://itsallconnected.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/what-we-talk-about-and-dont-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-and-dont-talk-about-antisemitism-and-israel/" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>. I also want to invite people over this post: <a href="http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/01/21/maybe-we-should-share-our-stories-of-antisemitism/" rel="nofollow">Maybe We Should Share Our Stories of antisemitism</a> on Alas. I just want to let people who might still be interested know that there’s a very interesting conversation going on about some of the issues David was trying to raise at my blog.

I also want to invite people over this post: Maybe We Should Share Our Stories of antisemitism on Alas.

]]> By: Anthony Kennerson http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222645 Anthony Kennerson Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:33:00 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222645 Being a non-Jewish, secular lefty Black man who opposes this madness ongoing in Gaza, and who sees BOTH sides (the Zionists and right-wing Israeli political leadership AND the fundamentalists of Hamas) as equally reactionary and fascist, I'm nevertheless a bit taken aback that a putatively progressive blog such as this would give so much of its bandwidth to an argument that anyone who happens to oppose Israel's actions must be either a reflexive anti-Semtic or a cheerleader of Hamas. Sorry, but it is the ACTIONS of the Israelis in turning Gaza into an open air prison and a living nightmare for its original residents that is driving the opposition, not so-called "anti-Semitism". Perhaps, Mr. Schraub should spend a day or two in Gaza fighting endless bombs and white phosphorus before he so eagerly demonizes critics of his. This isn't to say that Hamas is that enlightening -- in fact, they are pretty damn reactionary on their own behalf -- but when you have been put down and oppressed as much as Palestinians in Gaza have been (remember the blockades and the checkpoints preceding the rocket launchings into Southern Israel), you tend to want assistance from wherever you can find it. Personally, I think that both the Zionists and the Islamic fundamentalists should both fall off the cliff together and leave right- and moral- (as in genuinely progressive) Jews and Arabs to resolve their differences as fellow and sister human beings. That won't happen, though, until progressives here in the US start disabling themselves of this "Israel, always right, and anyone who disagrees must be a Nazi" mentality. (And the same goes for those on the Left who reflexively back Hamas as "revolutionaries" without pointing out their own fascism, too.) Since the only take that Mr. Schraub can give, once you get past all the flowery BS, is that Israel should be allowed to do as she pleases and Arabs who disagree are simply "Jew haters", I consider him more a part of the problem rather than part of the solution. And that would be true how many parts of his "series" on "anti-Semitism" he posts here. "Hatred of Israel", you say?? No...just accountability for that state's totally disproportionate actions against innocent people for merely voting for the wrong party...or for being different. Anthony Being a non-Jewish, secular lefty Black man who opposes this madness ongoing in Gaza, and who sees BOTH sides (the Zionists and right-wing Israeli political leadership AND the fundamentalists of Hamas) as equally reactionary and fascist, I’m nevertheless a bit taken aback that a putatively progressive blog such as this would give so much of its bandwidth to an argument that anyone who happens to oppose Israel’s actions must be either a reflexive anti-Semtic or a cheerleader of Hamas.

Sorry, but it is the ACTIONS of the Israelis in turning Gaza into an open air prison and a living nightmare for its original residents that is driving the opposition, not so-called “anti-Semitism”.

Perhaps, Mr. Schraub should spend a day or two in Gaza fighting endless bombs and white phosphorus before he so eagerly demonizes critics of his.

This isn’t to say that Hamas is that enlightening — in fact, they are pretty damn reactionary on their own behalf — but when you have been put down and oppressed as much as Palestinians in Gaza have been (remember the blockades and the checkpoints preceding the rocket launchings into Southern Israel), you tend to want assistance from wherever you can find it.

Personally, I think that both the Zionists and the Islamic fundamentalists should both fall off the cliff together and leave right- and moral- (as in genuinely progressive) Jews and Arabs to resolve their differences as fellow and sister human beings. That won’t happen, though, until progressives here in the US start disabling themselves of this “Israel, always right, and anyone who disagrees must be a Nazi” mentality. (And the same goes for those on the Left who reflexively back Hamas as “revolutionaries” without pointing out their own fascism, too.)

Since the only take that Mr. Schraub can give, once you get past all the flowery BS, is that Israel should be allowed to do as she pleases and Arabs who disagree are simply “Jew haters”, I consider him more a part of the problem rather than part of the solution. And that would be true how many parts of his “series” on “anti-Semitism” he posts here.

“Hatred of Israel”, you say?? No…just accountability for that state’s totally disproportionate actions against innocent people for merely voting for the wrong party…or for being different.

Anthony

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 2 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222618 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 2 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:40:50 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222618 [...] Schraub’s argument in his two posts on Feministe (here and here) are motivated, I believe, by a fear very similar to the one I have just described, and it [...] [...] Schraub’s argument in his two posts on Feministe (here and here) are motivated, I believe, by a fear very similar to the one I have just described, and it [...]

]]> By: What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 2 « It’s All Connected… http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/%e2%80%9cwe-cannot-live-without-our-lives%e2%80%9d-either-jews-privilege-and-anti-subordination/#comment-222616 What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) antisemitism and Israel - 2 « It’s All Connected… Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:34:26 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=10838#comment-222616 [...] Schraub’s argument in his two posts on Feministe (here and here) are motivated, I believe, by a fear very similar to the one I have just described, and it [...] [...] Schraub’s argument in his two posts on Feministe (here and here) are motivated, I believe, by a fear very similar to the one I have just described, and it [...]

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