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	<title>Comments on: Faking that vacuum-fresh seal</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Angiportus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221876</link>
		<dc:creator>Angiportus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not blaming you, Antonia. I am blaming a system where parents and teachers and doctors set young girls up to be injured.  A proper examination, as well as telling the young how to examine themselves, would reveal beforehand if there was some malformation that needed fixing before internal pleasure was attempted.  At least it&#039;s better than leaving it up to chance (and then pretending to be better than those who require mutilation as proof of honor.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not blaming you, Antonia. I am blaming a system where parents and teachers and doctors set young girls up to be injured.  A proper examination, as well as telling the young how to examine themselves, would reveal beforehand if there was some malformation that needed fixing before internal pleasure was attempted.  At least it&#8217;s better than leaving it up to chance (and then pretending to be better than those who require mutilation as proof of honor.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antonia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221519</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But so many here still tell the young girls that they might bleed and/or hurt, without telling them how to make sure they won’t.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

First, I agree with you, Angiportus, that girls need to be better educated on how to take care of themselves when they want to engage in intercourse.  But your statement makes it sound like you think the whole first-time blood/pain thing can be prevented in &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; women (please correct me if this wasn&#039;t your intended implication).

The first time I had sex, I was properly lubricated, we took it very slow, and every time I made any indication that I wanted to stop and wait for a while, we did.  But it still hurt.  And that was ok in my eyes, since this was something I wanted to do, something I was informed might happen, and something I was prepared to minimize through lubricant and other techniques.

Not all women have enough of a hymen to cause any pain or bleeding.  But please recognize that some of us do.  I&#039;ve even known women who had to have minor medical procedures done to sever the hymen because the span of their hymen was preventing them from removing a tampon without immense amounts of pain.

I suppose what it amounts to is that some women are exposed to largely unavoidable pain when it comes to first intercourse, menstruation, and so on.  While I am happy that you celebrate your sexuality and protect yourself, please don&#039;t blame me (or my partner) for not doing things right if there&#039;s a chance that there was nothing more I could do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But so many here still tell the young girls that they might bleed and/or hurt, without telling them how to make sure they won’t.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>First, I agree with you, Angiportus, that girls need to be better educated on how to take care of themselves when they want to engage in intercourse.  But your statement makes it sound like you think the whole first-time blood/pain thing can be prevented in <i>all</i> women (please correct me if this wasn&#8217;t your intended implication).</p>
<p>The first time I had sex, I was properly lubricated, we took it very slow, and every time I made any indication that I wanted to stop and wait for a while, we did.  But it still hurt.  And that was ok in my eyes, since this was something I wanted to do, something I was informed might happen, and something I was prepared to minimize through lubricant and other techniques.</p>
<p>Not all women have enough of a hymen to cause any pain or bleeding.  But please recognize that some of us do.  I&#8217;ve even known women who had to have minor medical procedures done to sever the hymen because the span of their hymen was preventing them from removing a tampon without immense amounts of pain.</p>
<p>I suppose what it amounts to is that some women are exposed to largely unavoidable pain when it comes to first intercourse, menstruation, and so on.  While I am happy that you celebrate your sexuality and protect yourself, please don&#8217;t blame me (or my partner) for not doing things right if there&#8217;s a chance that there was nothing more I could do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...it was a joke, not a confession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;it was a joke, not a confession.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;jackhammers for 22 seconds before shrivelling and passing out next to you in the backseat of his parents’ car&quot;

That was your first time? Jeez, no wonder you hate men. (I have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/13/feministes-next-top-troll-season-3/&quot;contest to win, dammit.)

&quot;But so many here still tell the young girls that they might bleed and/or hurt, without telling them how to make sure they won’t.&quot;

As long as I&#039;m here, how would one make sure? I&#039;d always assumed it was random chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;jackhammers for 22 seconds before shrivelling and passing out next to you in the backseat of his parents’ car&#8221;</p>
<p>That was your first time? Jeez, no wonder you hate men. (I have a &lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/13/feministes-next-top-troll-season-3/&#8221;contest to win, dammit.)</p>
<p>&#8220;But so many here still tell the young girls that they might bleed and/or hurt, without telling them how to make sure they won’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as I&#8217;m here, how would one make sure? I&#8217;d always assumed it was random chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Angiportus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221293</link>
		<dc:creator>Angiportus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;me too&quot; in my original reply refers not to the coffee on Fashionably Evil&#039;s keyboard, but to Jill&#039;s wanting to cry and.or break stuff.  As for barbarism, I think that applies equally to people &quot;over there&quot; who kill their young for &quot;honor&quot; if they don&#039;t bleed, and people right here who fail to help their daughters prepare so they won&#039;t bleed--while feeling superior to the people &quot;over there&quot; and otherwise patting themselves on the back for being so progressive, sex-positive, pro-feminist etc. etc.  I sure don&#039;t feel like laughing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;me too&#8221; in my original reply refers not to the coffee on Fashionably Evil&#8217;s keyboard, but to Jill&#8217;s wanting to cry and.or break stuff.  As for barbarism, I think that applies equally to people &#8220;over there&#8221; who kill their young for &#8220;honor&#8221; if they don&#8217;t bleed, and people right here who fail to help their daughters prepare so they won&#8217;t bleed&#8211;while feeling superior to the people &#8220;over there&#8221; and otherwise patting themselves on the back for being so progressive, sex-positive, pro-feminist etc. etc.  I sure don&#8217;t feel like laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Proper Talks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Artifical Virgins</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221284</link>
		<dc:creator>Proper Talks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Artifical Virgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] country to purchase an artificial virginity kit, but I could be wrong.  Jill Filipovic over at Feministe said: I&#8217;m not really sure what to say about this, other than if he wants to re-live you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] country to purchase an artificial virginity kit, but I could be wrong.  Jill Filipovic over at Feministe said: I&#8217;m not really sure what to say about this, other than if he wants to re-live you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelei</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221282</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unfortunately for us ladies, the “artificial virginity hymen” doesn’t come with an “artificial virginity penis” that jackhammers for 22 seconds before shrivelling and passing out next to you in the backseat of his parents’ car.&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely BRILLIANT, thank you for this.  The worst sex I ever had was with a guy who was a virgin, but refused to admit it, plus, I wasn&#039;t confident enough back then saying &quot;no, you do it like THIS!&quot;

The other thing, though, is that a lot of people don&#039;t actually do the blood-and-gore bit; I didn&#039;t, because I waited until I actually wanted to have sex, and I was properly turned on.  This worries me a little, I have to say - what if the guy&#039;d taken that to mean I wasn&#039;t a virgin, and had taken offence for whatever reason?  Especially since I kinda enjoyed it... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unfortunately for us ladies, the “artificial virginity hymen” doesn’t come with an “artificial virginity penis” that jackhammers for 22 seconds before shrivelling and passing out next to you in the backseat of his parents’ car.</i></p>
<p>Absolutely BRILLIANT, thank you for this.  The worst sex I ever had was with a guy who was a virgin, but refused to admit it, plus, I wasn&#8217;t confident enough back then saying &#8220;no, you do it like THIS!&#8221;</p>
<p>The other thing, though, is that a lot of people don&#8217;t actually do the blood-and-gore bit; I didn&#8217;t, because I waited until I actually wanted to have sex, and I was properly turned on.  This worries me a little, I have to say &#8211; what if the guy&#8217;d taken that to mean I wasn&#8217;t a virgin, and had taken offence for whatever reason?  Especially since I kinda enjoyed it&#8230; :D</p>
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		<title>By: SnowdropExplodes</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221252</link>
		<dc:creator>SnowdropExplodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a sad world where such a product could even be imagined, let alone find a market.

However, it did give me inspiration for another possible product, to cater for a particular sexual fetish that some men (and some women too) enjoy:

What about the &quot;artificial menstruation&quot;...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a sad world where such a product could even be imagined, let alone find a market.</p>
<p>However, it did give me inspiration for another possible product, to cater for a particular sexual fetish that some men (and some women too) enjoy:</p>
<p>What about the &#8220;artificial menstruation&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Pinko Punko</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221246</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinko Punko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>22 seconds?  That sounds like a marathon.  More like 4 seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22 seconds?  That sounds like a marathon.  More like 4 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen (The J one)</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/faking-that-vacuum-fresh-seal/#comment-221232</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen (The J one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is the whole virginity thing so important to so many guys?&quot;

Weird isn&#039;t it?  Their optimal sexual experience is with someone who is often nervous, uncomfortable, sometimes in pain, and most likely not going to orgasm.

Creepy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is the whole virginity thing so important to so many guys?&#8221;</p>
<p>Weird isn&#8217;t it?  Their optimal sexual experience is with someone who is often nervous, uncomfortable, sometimes in pain, and most likely not going to orgasm.</p>
<p>Creepy.</p>
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