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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: UnFit</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/i-would-pay-a-lot-of-money-for-this-vaccine/#comment-222190</link>
		<dc:creator>UnFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://web.me.com/ncomfort/Site/BioBlog/Entries/2009/1/13_Drug_is_the_love_they%E2%80%99re_thinking_of.html</description>
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		<title>By: SheilaK</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/i-would-pay-a-lot-of-money-for-this-vaccine/#comment-221950</link>
		<dc:creator>SheilaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxytocin is involved in friendship bonding too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxytocin is involved in friendship bonding too.</p>
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		<title>By: kb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TD-oh they wouldn&#039;t be pro giving the drug out.   they&#039;d be horribly against that.   but the research used, and the assumption that without it all women fall hopelessly in love due to oxytocin?  That argument will get thrown around as to why women without this &quot;vaccine&quot;(which will be all women if they can manage it) should be forced never to have sex until they&#039;re married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD-oh they wouldn&#8217;t be pro giving the drug out.   they&#8217;d be horribly against that.   but the research used, and the assumption that without it all women fall hopelessly in love due to oxytocin?  That argument will get thrown around as to why women without this &#8220;vaccine&#8221;(which will be all women if they can manage it) should be forced never to have sex until they&#8217;re married.</p>
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		<title>By: TD</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/i-would-pay-a-lot-of-money-for-this-vaccine/#comment-221606</link>
		<dc:creator>TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone read the article? It is the anti-love drug that increases polygamy, the love drug increases bonding/monogamy. 

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;FTA&quot;&gt;
“If we give an oxytocin blocker to female voles, they become like 95 percent of other mammal species,” Dr. Young said. “They will not bond no matter how many times they mate with a male or hard how he tries to bond.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see how the anti-love drug would be liked by the abstinence only lobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone read the article? It is the anti-love drug that increases polygamy, the love drug increases bonding/monogamy. </p>
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“If we give an oxytocin blocker to female voles, they become like 95 percent of other mammal species,” Dr. Young said. “They will not bond no matter how many times they mate with a male or hard how he tries to bond.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how the anti-love drug would be liked by the abstinence only lobby.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismone, Abby - I think the orgasmic birth is just that - for the birth (and I guess just for those people that have tried it).  To clarify - it&#039;s the after giving the birth that it all changes.  It gets better, though I can&#039;t say that the oxytocin works in any way to improve relationships during that time.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismone, Abby &#8211; I think the orgasmic birth is just that &#8211; for the birth (and I guess just for those people that have tried it).  To clarify &#8211; it&#8217;s the after giving the birth that it all changes.  It gets better, though I can&#8217;t say that the oxytocin works in any way to improve relationships during that time.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Relative to birds, not so much.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or gibbons, which are closely related to humans and great apes, but are lifelong monogamous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Relative to birds, not so much.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or gibbons, which are closely related to humans and great apes, but are lifelong monogamous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxytocin &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; tied to bonding (among other things), and &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; increase in response to touch, sex, orgasms, etc., and there&#039;s really nothing wrong with talking about the science of that; I don&#039;t see this particular article as going off in the really twisted directions of Totally Making Stuff Up about oxytocin (which would be, oh, the &quot;fact&quot; that with women, but apparently only with women, it works like the stickiness of tape and goes away if you have sex with too many people - having sex with people &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; involve a chance you&#039;ll fall for them and they&#039;ll break your heart, but &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; involve a risk of lifetime oxytocin depletion).  So, lightweight maybe, but not Creepy Abstinence Analogies level lightweight.

As for monogamy, well, humans &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; naturally monogamous - &lt;em&gt;relative to other mammals&lt;/em&gt;.  We frequently pair bond and also frequently have sex outside pair bonds; relative to most other mammals, that&#039;s an unusual amount of monogamous inclination.  Relative to birds, not so much.  Individual mileage, of course, varies.  As does mileage of different cultures.  If you&#039;re talking about nature, rather than moral strictures, monogamy&#039;s a relative thing, and our species seems to fall somewhere in the middle on the monogamous to nonmonogamous continuum.

I&#039;m torn on the &quot;love&quot; drug and &quot;anti-love&quot; drug.  My first thought was that I&#039;d rather see the &quot;anti-love&quot; drug developed, because it would be more likely that people would just use it on themselves when they chose, rather than slipping it to other people who&#039;d not have chosen it.  Then I realized that parents could slip the &quot;anti-love&quot; drug to their kids.  So both of them could have morally dubious applications.  As well as, yeah, you really don&#039;t seriously want to muck with your vasopressin levels.

Still, I can see the appeal of the fantasy of being able to turn those feelings on and off at will (as long as it&#039;s the will of the person having the feelings, not someone else&#039;s will).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxytocin <em>is</em> tied to bonding (among other things), and <em>does</em> increase in response to touch, sex, orgasms, etc., and there&#8217;s really nothing wrong with talking about the science of that; I don&#8217;t see this particular article as going off in the really twisted directions of Totally Making Stuff Up about oxytocin (which would be, oh, the &#8220;fact&#8221; that with women, but apparently only with women, it works like the stickiness of tape and goes away if you have sex with too many people &#8211; having sex with people <em>does</em> involve a chance you&#8217;ll fall for them and they&#8217;ll break your heart, but <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> involve a risk of lifetime oxytocin depletion).  So, lightweight maybe, but not Creepy Abstinence Analogies level lightweight.</p>
<p>As for monogamy, well, humans <em>are</em> naturally monogamous &#8211; <em>relative to other mammals</em>.  We frequently pair bond and also frequently have sex outside pair bonds; relative to most other mammals, that&#8217;s an unusual amount of monogamous inclination.  Relative to birds, not so much.  Individual mileage, of course, varies.  As does mileage of different cultures.  If you&#8217;re talking about nature, rather than moral strictures, monogamy&#8217;s a relative thing, and our species seems to fall somewhere in the middle on the monogamous to nonmonogamous continuum.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m torn on the &#8220;love&#8221; drug and &#8220;anti-love&#8221; drug.  My first thought was that I&#8217;d rather see the &#8220;anti-love&#8221; drug developed, because it would be more likely that people would just use it on themselves when they chose, rather than slipping it to other people who&#8217;d not have chosen it.  Then I realized that parents could slip the &#8220;anti-love&#8221; drug to their kids.  So both of them could have morally dubious applications.  As well as, yeah, you really don&#8217;t seriously want to muck with your vasopressin levels.</p>
<p>Still, I can see the appeal of the fantasy of being able to turn those feelings on and off at will (as long as it&#8217;s the will of the person having the feelings, not someone else&#8217;s will).</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and, I was kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and, I was kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, to clarify, I meant that I would pay a lot of money for the vaccine to make you NOT fall in love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, to clarify, I meant that I would pay a lot of money for the vaccine to make you NOT fall in love.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/14/i-would-pay-a-lot-of-money-for-this-vaccine/#comment-221517</link>
		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. While I was &lt;a href=&quot;http://somefacts.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/you-dont-play-around-with-the-funky-cold-medina/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;writing about this&lt;/a&gt;, I was thinking &quot;I wonder what Jill thinks of this.&quot; Specifically whether illegitimate use would be qualitatively different from GHB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. While I was <a href="http://somefacts.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/you-dont-play-around-with-the-funky-cold-medina/" rel="nofollow">writing about this</a>, I was thinking &#8220;I wonder what Jill thinks of this.&#8221; Specifically whether illegitimate use would be qualitatively different from GHB.</p>
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