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    [...] cross-posted at Feministe [...]

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    AshKW 1.22.2009 at 12:09 pm |

    Wow, Cara, what a powerful post. Thank you for writing!

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    Deborah 1.22.2009 at 12:27 pm |

    Interestingly, I also wrote about the connection between sexual (and domestic) violence and abortion, but I did so in the context of actually answering within the theme (which I don’t usually do).

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    Lisa 1.22.2009 at 2:49 pm |

    There is a parallel to your argument in how health insurance handles abortion. I am a federal employee, and for political reasons, Congress has decided that federal health plans will only pay for abortions of medical necessity, or in cases of rape or incest. If you had sex voluntarily and got pregnant, you’re on your own.

    Imagine having to bring forensic evidence to your appointment at the clinic to show you really are a “good girl” who had the misfortune to be raped, and therefore are deserving of having your health plan assume the costs of the procedure.

    Compare this with other medical care. If you drive drunk and crash your car, federal health insurance will pay to treat you even though you broke the law, endangered others, and are to blame for your injuries.

    Women who want abortions are treated worse than drunk drivers for purposes of federal health insurance.

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    thinkingdifference 1.22.2009 at 2:51 pm |

    Makes me think responsibility is a discourse, changing according to the interests of the speaker. Funny to think in the case of anti-choice discourse, the ‘baby’ shouldn’t pay for the mistakes made before him (and yes, I also think the burden of those ‘mistakes’ is placed on the mother – or, in an alternative interpretation, the mother is merely a vessel in which the ‘baby’ develops). Yet, in the context of racial issues, next generations carry with them the responsibility for the previous generations’ choices and power arrangements.

    Without saying that one version is more ‘right’ than the other, I think this shows how the discourse of ‘responsibility’ is flexible and each instantiation is loaded with the meanings that suit the speakers.

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    MadamaAmbi 1.22.2009 at 3:25 pm |

    “In other words, only some women are seen as worthy of having sexual rights. And it’s the women who have already had their sexual rights violated. In order to gain sexual rights, women first have to have them abused.”

    This jumped out at me because it fits with what would probably be my PhD dissertation if I ever went back to school to do it. I don’t know if my theory holds up, but here is what I’m thinking: female sexuality is defined by injury.

    Physical and/or emotional assault on a developing girl’s sense of wholeness is the foundation for what is then called “female sexuality.” IOW, injury to the self is the sine qua non of female sexuality.

    Wow. I can’t believe I’ve been carrying this thesis around for more than 20 years and haven’t really addressed it. There’s so much work do!!!

    And why haven’t I done my PhD or in some other way articulated my insights? Because I’ve been busy surviving…

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    Elaine Vigneault 1.22.2009 at 5:13 pm |

    “I support Roe vs Wade, I support “choice,” and I support reproductive autonomy and non-coercion of all kinds”
    Me too.
    Thanks for writing this.

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    Serendipity 1.23.2009 at 5:13 am |

    Forgive me if this is a tired argument, but I haven’t heard it before and would appreciate your views on this:

    Say person A is dying of kidney failure and needs a kidney. There is only one person (person B) who is an appropriate match as a kidney donor. Person A will die without the kidney. Can the US government force person B to supply the kidney?

    Why not?

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    [...] almost missed Blog for Choice day- I haven’t been checking the internets dutifully enough, and we’ve been out all day – [...]

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    cq 1.23.2009 at 9:19 am |

    Thank you, Cara. Really powerful. An excellent post. I really appreciate it when we dig below the word “choice” to really examine bodily autonomy, sexual rights, and abortion with a powerful lens.

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    grumpy realist 1.24.2009 at 9:36 am |

    Serendipity, also note that under common law in general there is no legal obligation to save someone from any sort of danger even if you can do so with no danger to yourself. (The one big exception is if you were the one who created the danger.) This is a L-O-O-N-G tradition we’ve had. Some states have passed laws mandating people to assist others, but these laws are not very popular, have been written for extremely narrow circumstances, and cannot be applied where the putative rescuer is placed in any sort of risk.

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    Serendipity 1.25.2009 at 6:02 pm |

    Cara: that was a thoughtful reply. I guess it wasn’t clear from my post, I am pro-choice and this position is so obvious to me that I sometimes have difficulty engaging with pro-lifers at all. The argument I laid out was of course intended to be a pro-choice argument (I’m surprised it could be read as a pro-life one!)

    I asked for opinions on it because it seems to me to be a pretty shut-down argument against the pro-life position. The nice thing about it is that whether “life” is defined to begin at conception becomes irrelevant. Hell, you can grant that life is the glint in the postman’s eye and banning abortion is still unjustified.

    No one can be forced to act as a life support system for another human being. It violates our most basic civil liberties.

    This is a succinct way of putting it. I guess the only way out for the pro-lifer is to suggest that, unlike donating a kidney, enforced pregnancy is not dangerous, painful and invasive enough to qualify as violating a woman’s civil liberties. This is the way John McCain went in the debates. He sneeringly said: “…health for the mother. You know, that’s been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything.” The contempt on his face when he said it was pretty despicable.
    (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08101601.html – near the end)

    The alternate route is of course to claim that women have brought pregnancy upon themselves and now have to bear the consequences. This of course leads us to the topic of the original post. Anyway, I’m sorry I wasn’t strictly on topic. I just wanted to get some good feedback on this argument so I can be as prepared as possible when I have to explain to someone why abortion access should be considered a basic human right.

    Serendipity, also note that under common law in general there is no legal obligation to save someone from any sort of danger even if you can do so with no danger to yourself. (The one big exception is if you were the one who created the danger.) This is a L-O-O-N-G tradition we’ve had.
    Exactly. This is why I feel the argument is convincing.

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    Queenlyzard 4.15.2009 at 9:45 pm |

    Thank you!

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    Web 5.11.2009 at 10:49 am |

    Thank you for that excellent post. You mentioned sexual rights and I wondered whether you would be interested in signing our petition:
    http://www.15andcounting.org/

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